hkc alarm

churchtown2012

Hi all looking for some help please...i want to add a PIR sensor from a garage to my house alarm(hkc securewatch 8/12). As i have no pir sensors in the house im looking for a diagram to show the wiring setup. I want to connect to zone 3(which is the back door of my house) and i thought it was just a case of following whats already there. I ran the alarm cable (4 core) from the garage to the control panel...zone 3 has 4 contacts 2 alarm and 2 tamper red and black going to alarm blue and yellow to tamper
so my first question how do i wire into the panel

Now the pir
It has 7 contacts
12v+ 12v- data alarm alarm tamper tamper
how do i wire this

thanks in advance

Thunderbird2

12 v to the + and - . One cable into the first alarm terminal and one wire into the last tamper terminal . Then select the 4k7 tamper jumper and the 4k7 alarm jumper

churchtown2012

thanks for the quick reply thunderbird2 im not what you mean by select 4k7 and do you have any ideas on the pir wiring

Thunderbird2

Okay ... You have 4 cores red,black,blue and yellow . Red is + ,black -. Connect them to the PIRs + & - connections .
Then connect them to the aux + & - back at the panel . Connect the blue and yellow into a free zone on the board into the alarm terminals . Set the zone hardware to" dual Eol " . Then at the PIR connect the yellow wire into the first alarm terminal and the blue into the last tamper terminal . Then using the little black links on the PIR select 4k7 on both going across . You'll see it written on the PIR PCB

churchtown2012

thanks again thunderbird2
will it be ok to connect to zone 3 on my panel as this zone is just arming a backdoor

KoolKid

churchtown2012 wrote: »

thanks again thunderbird2
will it be ok to connect to zone 3 on my panel as this zone is just arming a backdoor

It is not recommended to series in other devices with a PiR because of the higher resistance, but with one device it should be OK.

Thunderbird2

Is your back door wired using two wires??

churchtown2012

no it has 4 wires
black and red =alarm 1-2
blue and yellow=tamper 1-2

churchtown2012

thanks for your reply koolkid

Thunderbird2

Are all the zones on the panel used? Where are you getting power for the pir??

churchtown2012

the red and black i wired to aux + and - and i had power to the pir and it was detecting motion i could get it to set the alarm off

Thunderbird2

make sure your not using the wires from the back door sensor that are directly connected to the sensor . Is it a separate 4 core your using ? Ie not connected to any other sensors

churchtown2012

no thunderbird it a new run of cable that i installed

Thunderbird2

And you've no spare zones ?? Best to keep it on its own zone

churchtown2012

well i maybe able to free up zone 3

Thunderbird2

Let us know how it works out

churchtown2012

will do thanks if i put it in zone 3 on its own will i have to change the hardware settings

Thunderbird2

Yes to dual Eol and wire it like above )

churchtown2012

thanks thunderbird you have been a great help,,,i post how i get on thanks again

altor

churchtown2012 wrote: »

well i maybe able to free up zone 3

Another option is to add a point ID PIR and inertia/contact. this will allow you have the two different detectors on the same zone. Not zone 3 but zone 5. You would need the engineer code to do this.

churchtown2012

thanks thunderbird i wired it to zone 3 (backdoor) and it worked with no problems....now i have the problem with arming the backdoor
any ideas on wiring the backdoor
im thinking of wiring it to zone 8 which in kitchen window which has 2 sensors on it (2 opening windows)

KoolKid

What do you mean when you say a problem arming the back door? Is the zone staying open?

churchtown2012

hi koolkid sorry if this is all this is getting messy.. basically i removed the backdoor off zone 3 as i had no free zones to install a pir for my garage. now what i want to do is put the backdoor on zone 8 which is kitchen windows..the kitchen consist's of 2 sensors so i would like to know if it is possible to link the backdoor with the kitchen window using the cable already in the panel....hope this makes sense

KoolKid

Yes , you series in the 2 pairs. So say its 2 red & blacks, join the 2 blacks together & put the 2 reds into the zone input.

churchtown2012

so koolkid in zone 8 (kitchen) at the moment i have

alarm alarm tamper tamper
red blk yel blue
so if i add the backdoor to this(which is a 4 core cable)will it look like this

alarm alarm tamper tamper
red yel blue
red yel blue
and just wire the 2 blacks together but i do not insert them into the alarm input

churchtown2012

sorry that last reply did not come up the way i typed it out

churchtown2012

so the new zone will look like this
redx2 alarm
none alarm
yelx2 tamper
bluex2 tamper

KoolKid

So you have 2 of each colour.
Join the 2 blacks together in a connector block and join the 2 yellows together the same.
Now wire the 2 reds into the zone and the 2 blues into the tamper.

churchtown2012

thanks koolkid sorry for been a pest...ur a gent

KoolKid

You welcome. Was posting from my mobile so I hope it makes sense. Any problems let me know. If need be Ill do up a diagram.

ckinane

Hi Guys,

I recently setup my HKC 10/70 Alarm, I have Dialler connected and setup to Text my and partner phones, but also to Ring my phone.
I ran a full alarm test, When I enter the Front Door, Wait for the alarm disarm time to count down without unsetting the Alarm, then trigger the Kitchen PIR whict set of the Alarm, Both phones got Text's but my phone did not ring me. It does ring me for all other Alarm Activation. Just to be clear the Front door is set to Ent/Exit.
Thanks

kub

Did your external bell activate when you did that?

churchtown2012

ckinane would you get more help if you started your own post

churchtown2012

thanks koolkid for help i managed to zone the backdoor to zone 8 (kitchen) and works perfect.....
now that i have zone 3 as the garage im getting tamper fault on the keyboard
can anyone give me a diagram of the wiring for zone 3 and a diagram for the wiring of the pir i must be wrong somewhere but saying that the pir is actually working ie setting off alarm
thanks

KoolKid

Is the garage & zone 3 2 separate zones?
Are you getting tampers on both.?
Take a look at this
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6sJTuagSI_iOWRhODkwM2MtZjY3Ny00MjQ0LTgwOGMtYmNhZWY5NGNhNjQ4

churchtown2012

hi koolkid i manage to free up zone 3 as you described(many thanks)
so i want to put the garage pir on zone 3 now
the pir is still wired the way that thunderbirds first reply stated

KoolKid

Possibly the resistors are wrong. Do you have a multi meter?

churchtown2012

i do indeed..and 1 other thing,on the alarm panel can i get power from zone 3 without the need of the aux + -

KoolKid

churchtown2012 wrote: »

i do indeed..and 1 other thing,on the alarm panel can i get power from zone 3 without the need of the aux + -

Meter out the pair for that zone it should read 4k7 when closed & 9k4 when open . If not try the connection into the other side of the tamper or close the tamper off.
You get get power from the zone , but you can common the negative from the power & the negative side of the zone.

churchtown2012

thanks koolkid for all your help will try it tomorrow

Thunderbird2

Blue and yellow into your alarm terminals at the panel and set zone hardware for the zone to dual Eol