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Vatican to track clergy and employees using RFID.
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11-12-2012 1:18pm#1I know it wouldn't be too long before RFID tracking technology would worm its way into the Roman Catholic Church.
The worlds largest religious cult and renowned pedophile ring has decided to take drastic measures to cover up further atrocities leaking out of its head office in Rome by etagging its clergy and staff with RFID technology.
We all know the direction that this will head. When people see Roman Catholic bishops and priests wearing Etags around their dog collars they will think that this invasive technology will be OK for the rest of society.
I guess it won't be too long before all its members across the globe will be required to have similar electronic devices to receive its "benefits" such as christenings, weddings and funerals.
http://www.rfidnews.org/2012/12/03/vatican-tracks-clergy-and-employees-using-rfid1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahOx1Z9GGVYComments
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And we all know the connection.Coz having priests wearing em will make them cool.
Crafty old illuminati.
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I would not be the only one passing this speculation.hooradiation wrote: »You cannot continue to pass off wild speculation as fact, it's amazingly dishonest.
I would consider it honest and alarming speculation when one reads the verse in question from the Book of Revelation.
I can well forsee the next step in this latest Vatican development.
What is stopping some priest using someone else's microchipped ID pass to gain entrance into some room and swiping confidential information?
There would be several options that Ratsinger could impose.
1/ Fit facial recognition CCTV thtoughout the building, (No doubt the Vatican has this installed already LOL)
2/ The Other option would be to do what Obama is currently introducing in America with Obamacare and that is fingerprint / biometric scanning. This would be the better of the two options. The priest can touch RFID card and then scan his details which would correctly match his biometric thumb print.
The downside of the above is that one could loose the RFID card with all the details so, the next option would be the implant. As I pointed out before RFID readers will read both RFID cards and Verichip implants.
I have already pointed out that this technology is no longer fiction, its reality.hooradiation wrote: »Instead we'll get lies, propaganda pictures and goalpost moving.
It is happening already and is at our doorstep, so it is not wild fiction.
Perhaps if the Pope was able to crack open a bible, (Not that he ever has LOL) he might be able to forsee something sinister developing behind his latest move.0 -
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hooradiation wrote: »The Mark of the beast is far more likely to be a reference to the coinage of the time, all of which bore Roman seals and/or the image of Nero - the so called beast of revelations.
Your interpretation is fantasy, as there is no mention of "implants" anywhere in revelations 13.
This is simply you making stuff up.
Again.
Again quoting Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Can you point out anywhere in the above passage where there is mention of coins?
Implanting coins under the skin in the right hand and forehead would have been totally impractical and impossible along with been unsightly at the time of Nero.
Nero would also not have had the medical provisions to slice into the skin and place these coins on such a widespread scale that they could be used practically for financial transactions.
I think you need to go back to the drawing board on your interpretation of this passage. 0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Again quoting Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Can you point out anywhere in the above passage where there is mention of coins?
it's right there, you even went to the bother of bolding it, clearly without reading what you were citing17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
You had to do business using Roman coin, which - as previously discussed, bore the Roman seal and/or an image of the emperor of the time, Nero.
Easy.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Implanting coins under the skin in the right hand and forehead would have been totally impractical and impossible along with been unsightly at the time of Nero.
Nope. Nothing about doing that at all.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Nero would also not have had the medical provisions to slice into the skin and place these coins on such a widespread scale that they could be used practically for financial transactions.
based on flawed reasoning, again.0 -
Since when did a Roman coin ever get described as a mark.hooradiation wrote: »it's right there, you even went to the bother of bolding it, clearly without reading what you were citing
You had to do business using Roman coin, which - as previously discussed, bore the Roman seal and/or an image of the emperor of the time, Nero.
Easy.
I think if we go deeper into this matter you will find that this original words use in this passage were "Epi, Charagma, and Chi-Xi-Stigma"
There are many people out there pointing to microchips like the Verichip to fit the role of the Mark of the Beast. Most of the time Biblical evidence to support such claims is lacking. One may even begin to think that such support doesn't exist. But if we look closely at the Greek words directly associated with the Mark of the Beast, such as Epi, Charagma, and Chi-Xi-Stigma, it becomes clear that Biblical support for such a mark is very strong.
One of the most common claims against a microchip implant is that the Mark of the Beast is supposed to be "on" the hand or forehead and not "in" the hand or forehead. Do Revelation 13:16, Revelation 14:9-10, and Revelation 20:4 refer to a mark in the body or on the body?
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/epi-charagma-chi-xi-stigma/
I cannot see anywhere where coins could come into this equation.
Also if we read the first line of Revelation 13 vs 16. we read " He caused ALL to receive", St John is referring to mankind.
Nero's Empire was restricted to within its boundaries, there were other parts of the world that were not under his power.
On a similar note to topic we can also see that the Roman Catholic Church has an interest in global banking and one world Government policies from recent reports. If the Vatican accepts microchipped ID'd for its own staff it would have have absolutely no problem pushing them on the masses. (Excuse the pun :pac:)
I think we can all gather at this stage that the micrchipped identity card that the Vatican is currently promoting will be the predecessor to the microchip implant.
Vatican calls for world government and a New World Order.
"The leader of the Catholic Church, Pope Benedict XVI, has called for the establishment of World Government and a New World Order.
In a speech made at the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace on Monday December 3 2012, the Pope called for the “construction of a world community, with a corresponding authority,” to serve the “common good of the human family”.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/vatican-calls-for-world-government-and.html0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Since when did a Roman coin ever get described as a mark.
χάραγμα (charagma) often translated simply as mark, also translates as any engraved, imprinted, or branded. Hence the "mark" of the beast would reference stamped money, coin.
Epi is the greek word meaning not only on, but also "above, over, upon; besides; in addition to; toward; among"
and Chi-Xi-Stigma is either 616 or 666 depending - which is a shorthand for emperor Nero (depending on whether you transliterate into Latin or Greek you'll get on or the other if you sum their values)
Which makes everything you've put below in very poor light.
The original author simple states "it becomes clear that Biblical support for such a mark is very strong" without actually saying why or why the translations of marked coin have been rejected.
Though i would wager that the answer lies in "mark of the beast" being damn sight more sexy to sell to people than "Nero was a dick"Run_to_da_hills wrote: »I think if we go deeper into this matter you will find that this original words use in this passage were "Epi, Charagma, and Chi-Xi-Stigma"
There are many people out there pointing to microchips like the Verichip to fit the role of the Mark of the Beast. Most of the time Biblical evidence to support such claims is lacking. One may even begin to think that such support doesn't exist. But if we look closely at the Greek words directly associated with the Mark of the Beast, such as Epi, Charagma, and Chi-Xi-Stigma, it becomes clear that Biblical support for such a mark is very strong.
One of the most common claims against a microchip implant is that the Mark of the Beast is supposed to be "on" the hand or forehead and not "in" the hand or forehead. Do Revelation 13:16, Revelation 14:9-10, and Revelation 20:4 refer to a mark in the body or on the body?
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/epi-charagma-chi-xi-stigma/Run_to_da_hills wrote: »I cannot see anywhere where coins could come into this equation.
Well, now you do.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Also if we read the first line of Revelation 13 vs 16. we read " He caused ALL to receive", St John is referring to mankind.
Nero's Empire was restricted to within its boundaries, there were other parts of the world that were not under his power.
This is really tenuous. Especially given that you seem to be content to view Obama as early christians viewed Nero, and make the same wild proclamations (we're ALL getting magic chips in our hands under obamacare, especially those of us not in the united states!) and ignore things like scope of power.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »On a similar note to topic we can also see that the Roman Catholic Church has an interest in global banking and one world Government policies from recent reports. If the Vatican accepts microchipped ID'd for its own staff it would have have absolutely no problem pushing them on the masses. (Excuse the pun :pac:)
Once again, nothing but conjecture and hyperboeRun_to_da_hills wrote: »I think we can all gather at this stage that the micrchipped identity card that the Vatican is currently promoting will be the predecessor to the microchip implant.
No we cannot, no matter how hard you try you cannot keep passing off your fantasies as reality.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Vatican calls for world government and a New World Order.
"The leader of the Catholic Church, Pope Benedict XVI, has called for the establishment of World Government and a New World Order.
In a speech made at the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace on Monday December 3 2012, the Pope called for the “construction of a world community, with a corresponding authority,” to serve the “common good of the human family”.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/vatican-calls-for-world-government-and.html
Given that you are proclaiming that this ties into your previous nonsense about microchips, even though that's predicated on wilfully mistranslated bible verses, i really don't see much value in it.
You don't get to just gather a hodgepodge of junk and say "IT'S SO OBVIOUS!" and expect people to simply agree with you.
And when people take the time to point out all the flaws in your story, the polite thing to do would be to engage them on it, not simply repeat them again and hope no one calls you on them this time.
That's amazingly dishonest.0 -
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Nero's empire was miniscule compared to the possibility of a Global empire of the 21's Century.I think you need to brush up on Roman history. Nero had control over the most powerful empire in the world. He was known in the part of the world which was considered to be the part that mattered. In fact, you could very easily see how Nero's coin could be viewed to be the mark of the beast that you go on about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero#Christian_tradition
Proportionately wise in percentages a similar amount probably believed him to be the antichrist if not more. He is also historically viewed to be a bit of a beast. :pac:
Did Nero's empire span the five continents? NO.
Did Nero have the ability to communicate and orchestrate world domination on such a scale that could be possible in this day and age? NO.
Could Nero have had the technology to orchestrate a compatible cashless financial and economic system that could span right across five continents? NO.
All Nero 's empire would have had at the time would have been just a hand full of copper coins with the Roman Empires stamp on it. LOL
Obama's foreign policy is very deceiving and is far more sinister than previous US presidents. His drone policy alone is very questionable also his blatant support for unelected terrorist factions across the world and in Syria. (Of which I believe this time will not go without incident.)
Dealing with questionable groups has always occurred throughout US history. Obama in terms of foreign policy isn't particularly different from most US leaders since the second world war. Questionable relationships were formed(Diem is a good example) as it's a necessity to do so in foreign policy.
The Pope may have read his version of the Bible from cover to cover however many people including myself do not buy into most of his interpretations (or that of his forefathers.) Bill Gates on the other hand is a very cleaver software expert and sharp business man, you cannot compare..Also in terms of this Vatican conspiracy, as a person who doesn't like the pope or what the church represents in general. It's a rather farcical claim and there's plenty of legitimate conspiracies to discuss that relate to them. I also have no doubt that the pope has read the bible, it sort of puts the claims that you make into perspective. It's equivalent to saying that Bill Gates has never used a computer.......
A classic example of a scriptural misinterpretation for many is the doctrine of Transubstantiation. Do you honestly believe that a man dressed up in a colourful religious costume can draw the creator of this universe down from the heavens and magically turn him into a round piece of wafer and wine even though it still tastes like an ordinary wafer and wine? (I take the lords supper as purely symbolic)
I also believe that his title of "Holy Father" is an abomination. against God
One cannot walk into any Catholic Church without tripping over graven images. Isn't this practice condemned right through scripture?
Why isn't the Pope and his predecessors and other clergy members married when it specifically encourages clergy member marriage through out the New Testament?
Anyway back on topic, I do not believe that the Catholic Church will be pushing RFID technology however, when people start taking microchip implants under their skin whether voluntary or involuntary I believe that the Vatican would be one Christian institution that would be totally oblivious to the reality of its consequences both physically and spiritually.0
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