RTE News item on Deer potching now @6.37pm

clivej

Try to catch the 9pm News to see this. Garda and Rangers out in force in Kerry and Wicklow

rowa

clivej wrote: »

Try to catch the 9pm News to see this. Garda and Rangers out in force in Kerry and Wicklow

Not before time.

newby.204

Piece on rte news at 11 on deer poaching, it's on after the sports news

dodderangler

newby.204 wrote: »

Piece on rte news at 11 on deer poaching, it's on after the sports news

Bit late writin to tell us all at 11.24pm

Invincible

dodderangler wrote: »

Bit late writin to tell us all at 11.24pm

Sure you have RTE1+1 :rolleyes:

juice1304

Link to RTE Report on deer poaching patrols & Garda/NPWS checkpoints - (fast forward to 31.40 after the adverts)
http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10093091/

Johnny max

About time
Lads like that giving everyone else a bad name

rowa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q25fI6TZ3BI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q25fI6TZ3BI

moby30

Good to see the Garda and the Rangers out but fair play to Angus and the other licensed hunters for giving up their time to volunteer for this. Very good way of deterring it if poachers know that we work can work closely with both to try and combat it.
Well done lads.

rowa

Whats the situation with the game dealers ? If someone turns up with a van full of deer carcases (which i have heard of) are they asked for a deer hunting licence or proof of where they shot them or entitlement to shoot them by the dealers ? Would having a ranger doing spot checks with the dealers help deter poaching ?

Savage93

rowa wrote: »

Whats the situation with the game dealers ? If someone turns up with a van full of deer carcases (which i have heard of) are they asked for a deer hunting licence or proof of where they shot them or entitlement to shoot them by the dealers ? Would having a ranger doing spot checks with the dealers help deter poaching ?

+1 to that , if there was no market there wouldn't be any poachers, the sooner Dealers are required to maintain detailed inspectable records the better.

garv123

rowa wrote: »

Whats the situation with the game dealers ? If someone turns up with a van full of deer carcases (which i have heard of) are they asked for a deer hunting licence or proof of where they shot them or entitlement to shoot them by the dealers ? Would having a ranger doing spot checks with the dealers help deter poaching ?

they need to produce their deer licence which is obvious enough but how would you suggest you prove where you shot them and how would this stop it.

You can turn up to the game dealer with a trailer full of 50 deer and the ranger cant do a thing as long as all the species are in season..

Dealers do keep records and the persons name on file and the number of deer shot
Its not his fault there's a demand for deer. Tell the non hunting people stop eating it :rolleyes:

rowa

garv123 wrote: »

they need to produce their deer licence which is obvious enough but how would you suggest you prove where you shot them and how would this stop it.

You can turn up to the game dealer with a trailer full of 50 deer and the ranger cant do a thing as long as all the species are in season..

Dealers do keep records and the persons name on file and the number of deer shot
Its not his fault there's a demand for deer. Tell the non hunting people stop eating it :rolleyes:

Thats fine , no problem with legitimate stalkers selling their deer. But if someone turned up, wasn't a deer licence holder and only had a firearms cert for a .223 for instance, he would be bang to rights surely ?

Grizzly 45

garv123 wrote: »

they need to produce their deer licence which is obvious enough but how would you suggest you prove where you shot them and how would this stop it.

How do you explain being able to show up week after week with a trailer load of deer at a game dealer???
There is no way in Hell any let single person could shoot that many legally.

You can turn up to the game dealer with a trailer full of 50 deer and the ranger cant do a thing as long as all the species are in season..

But if he is doing his job properly ,would be out questioning this hunter on who,what,where ,how.Then come back to see the records of this person over the year and cross reference with other dealers records to see have they been selling further afield.Then report with recommmendation for investigation or with holding of next years liscense until a satisfactory explanation is given on how this person shoots that many deer.

Its not his fault there's a demand for deer. Tell the non hunting people stop eating it :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

But if he is making due to market demand, his monies on two prime cuts the strip loin and tender loin,and all the rest is just so much 2nd class selling items or extra sugar.Whats he going to do??
Always said this...Take the "easy money" factor out of anything in Ireland that is open to abuse and the problem goes away.
Would thinkthat if there is such a massive demand,the deer farms would make a come back.

garv123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

How do you explain being able to show up week after week with a trailer load of deer at a game dealer???
There is no way in Hell any let single person could shoot that many legally.



But if he is doing his job properly ,would be out questioning this hunter on who,what,where ,how.Then come back to see the records of this person over the year and cross reference with other dealers records to see have they been selling further afield.Then report with recommmendation for investigation or with holding of next years liscense until a satisfactory explanation is given on how this person shoots that many deer.

Its not his fault there's a demand for deer. Tell the non hunting people stop eating it :rolleyes:

But if he is making due to market demand, his monies on two prime cuts the strip loin and tender loin,and all the rest is just so much 2nd class selling items or extra sugar.Whats he going to do??
Always said this...Take the "easy money" factor out of anything in Ireland that is open to abuse and the problem goes away.
Would thinkthat if there is such a massive demand,the deer farms would make a come back.[/QUOTE]

There is no limit to how many deer can be shot on a licence each year so they have no right to refuse him the licence. It is a licence to shoot deer. Thats exactly whats he's doing.. Some people have huge areas with permission on with hundreds of deer and if unemployed they could spend every hour of the day at it.


Instead of blaming the game dealers they should put a cap on the number of deer which can be sold by a person on his licence each year and not suggest opening the seasons from august till april instead

rowa

Surely deer hunting licences are issued to people who want to shoot deer as a sport or hobby, shooting deer to sell is a commercial enterprise. Maybe a two tier system should be brought in ?

Grizzly 45

There is no limit to how many deer can be shot on a licence each year so they have no right to refuse him the licence.

YES they DO!!! If it has been abused or has been used under false pretences.Heck! Even if he wasnt poaching:rolleyes:.As a ranger,Id want to interview him to see for myself his amazing stalking methods to drop that many deer legally.He must be a phnemonal hunter up in the class of Selous .:rolleyes:

It is a licence to shoot deer. Thats exactly whats he's doing.. Some people have huge areas with permission on with hundreds of deer and if unemployed they could spend every hour of the day at it

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What size is their let??The province of Lenister,Munster or Connaught????:rolleyes::rolleyes:.I'm sorry but the simple laws of maths,nature and plain cop on would tell anyone that is total and utter BS!!

Just for abit of historical backround and comparison,a royal hunt in 17 th century in Europe,on hunting estates that went maybe 60 miles in any direction ,a good days massacre[because thats what it was,they were enclosed hunts:(] consisted of 200 plus prime stags,300 does,maybe as many wild boar .They were on estates the size of maybe two counties in Ireland,with staff in their hundreds just to keep the kings game in order and protected against poachers[aka actually starving peasents who would risk death ,mutilation or severe imprisionments.]
Spool fwd to the 21st century,anyone bringing in that amount of deer if they are shooting like you are suggesting,they would easily run up that kind of a number of shot animals of a royal hunt at Versailes or
San Soucis in the 1700s.They are either poaching,or Louis the 15th or Fredrick the Great!!:eek::eek:
Est 20 deer a week, thats 80 animals per month from Sept 1st to say the end of the rut this year,mid Oct +/- .Six weeks = 100 stags from ONE single let average size[ being too generous 400 hectares]???? In Ireland??PULL the other one!!:D.

Instead of blaming the game dealers they should put a cap on the number of deer which can be sold by a person on his licence each year and not suggest opening the seasons from august till april instead

The game dealers and the system ,which actually amounts to a monopoly are a major part of the problem.You cant sell on the free market which our EU neighbours can do,as part of their hunting course covers the butchering course,and you are certified by your skill not by your wallet.
Lads obviously see this as a easy money spinner with no real consequences to them at all if caught,and it obviously explains that mass of people shooting everything in sight.
Agree that the liscense should be limited to ten animals PA for sale,and stamped off at the Game dealers,so they carry the responsibility for making sure it is above board.

Grizzly 45

rowa wrote: »

Surely deer hunting licences are issued to people who want to shoot deer as a sport or hobby, shooting deer to sell is a commercial enterprise. Maybe a two tier system should be brought in ?

We may as well liscense scobes to be able to rob post offices or mug old age pensioners at will then too.:( Or uncontrolled fracking and mineral mining wherever and whenever it takes a companies fancy.
Same thing,it is a RAPE of a natural resource by the uncaring and greedy,it doesnt even justify being called poaching,as no sane poacher would massacre everything and leave himself hungry in future years.
There is absolutely no reason or justification or game numbers to justify "commercial hunting"in this sense in Ireland.
Lets not forget we are supposedly sportsmen and stalkers,not bounty hunters or "pest exterminators".:mad: Want to mass kill vermin, get a job wiping out rats and cock roaches with Rentokill

4200fps

If they want to stop poachers let there be a limit per deer licenced holder that he/she cannot sell more than 10 deer for arguments sake. In other words the deer licence should have some system that the game dealer has to stamp it for every deer that is sold. When limit is reached the shooter can't sell any more. Its an idea. Also some poor bugger,maybe one of us could be out lamping foxs and bump into a ranger and get accused of poaching deer. This is the crack that will happen next. Some of the best stags were everywhere there was deer,hunter wouldn't bother with a stag and shoot a doe instead but since a stag weighs more and factorys pay good money they are getting culled. Limits on what can be shot should be introduced. 10 is enough for any man I think.

sikastag

Food for thought. What if the game dealer is involved in poaching? Or perhaps has people (licence holders - fully legit) going out most nights with a lamp and most days too?

Beleive me. Its not that far fetched.

elius

They should run a similar operation like in the state's with gator's and issue tags to stalkers. Each stalker would have to apply for a certain amount of tags which would coincide with rough numbers on there land permission. Game dealers can only buy tagged deer there for their would be a method of controlling number's of deer sold buy anyone person no tags no sale. If rangers held spot checks on game dealers it would go some way to control numbers although not fool proof it might at least put some control on number sold buy anyone person and contain. Each tag would contain stalker's details licence numbers (i presume there's one) etc.

richiedel123

I fully agree there should be some sort of cap involved but I cant see it happening any time soon, there are too many people high up in hunting groups and organisations that shoot deer commercially and they arnt going to let it be capped. I have said it all along some legit stalkers shoot as many and probably more deer than any poacher could and they arnt goin to let it be capped

Invincible

Limits on what can be shot should be introduced. 10 is enough for any man I think.

Ah, sure you've 27 shot already, where would that leave you! :eek:

welsummer

Invincible wrote: »

Limits on what can be shot should be introduced. 10 is enough for any man I think.

Ah, sure you've 27 shot already, where would that leave you! :eek:

27 and still nearly 3 months to go.

Johnny max

welsummer wrote: »

27 and still nearly 3 months to go.

Ya lad they like pringles
Once ya start ya can.t stop :D

thelurcher

Grizzly is right - remove the easy money and it stops plain and simple. Tax the **** out of it. Make sure every carcass has a stalkers name attached to it and that they are personally liable for the tax.

Introducing a tagging system - which is looking likely - will not help.
Introducing DMU's and making us join their clubs - again pointless in relation to poaching.

For those that haven't been following what's been going on then have a read here -
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056457850

http://www.wilddeerireland.com/news.html#116

I'm kind of surprised by the lack of response to Caoimhín's thread - this is going to totally change the way we hunt. Let alone make it a lot more expensive.

rowa

Its the same old story , the majority will pay for and suffer because of the selfish actions of a minority grabbing a quick buck.

Grizzly 45

After reading that submission,it is intresting to see the "vested intrest groups" are wrangling to be able to become the top dogs amongst themselves with no doubt state recognition. HCAP as usual trying to come out of their state forests and lord it over everyone..They admit they repersent only a quater of Irish stalkers,yet want to coin off and pull in the remaining three quaters...:mad::mad:

Grizzly 45

thelurcher wrote: »

Grizzly is right - remove the easy money and it stops plain and simple. Tax the **** out of it. Make sure every carcass has a stalkers name attached to it and that they are personally liable for the tax.

Just break the monopoly of the game dealers being the only selling point..
If you can sell on the open market ,you are selling at what the market price is to whomever is willing to pay for it.And you will either find the market will pay a lot less than 1.50 a kg.Or it will pay more for properly presented and cleaned carcasses.

PLUS then it will make sense to do this carcass handling course as the direct link of "woodland to fork "is established without a middleman who could be less than honest.Not to mind if you want to sell the carcasses in the food chain it will require you invensting in a proper health& saftey inspected and certified butchering facility.IOW about 500 to maybe 50 grand worth of investment before you sell one deer carcass.

There goes the "easy money" making,as now there is paperwork,responsibility and inward investment in facilities.Somthing no "cowboy" likes here.

arrowloopboy

In Germany if your caught poaching you loose your firearm licence for good and also your driving licence as far as i know,i stalk with an elderly German gentleman ,he tells me that the punishment for poaching is so severe in Germany that its more or less non exsistant.

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We could use a simple tagging system ,the same as is used for wild Salmon,each stalker gets x amount of tags that are numbered to that stalker,each culled carcas is tagged and recorded in a log,stalkers /poachers found with untagged carcas,looses firearm,game dealers found with untagged carcas,closed,....simples

rowa

arrowloopboy wrote: »

In Germany if your caught poaching you loose your firearm licence for good and also your driving licence as far as i know,i stalk with an elderly German gentleman ,he tells me that the punishment for poaching is so severe in Germany that its more or less non exsistant.

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We could use a simple tagging system ,the same as is used for wild Salmon,each stalker gets x amount of tags that are numbered to that stalker,each culled carcas is tagged and recorded in a log,stalkers /poachers found with untagged carcas,looses firearm,game dealers found with untagged carcas,closed,....simples

I took a coillte deer letting years ago and was issued with two tags , the paperwork stated that i could take two deer only and when shot the carcases had to be tagged. Is it not this way anymore ?
This is the way it is in america too as far as i know, you apply and are issued with a tag or tags.
Someone made a good point to me the other day , a lot of the people i know complaining about the situation with deer numbers are the very ones who shoot the year round on section 42 licences.

Grizzly 45

arrowloopboy wrote: »

In Germany if your caught poaching you loose your firearm licence for good and also your driving licence as far as i know,i stalk with an elderly German gentleman ,he tells me that the punishment for poaching is so severe in Germany that its more or less non exsistant.

Very true!!! Along with your pilots liscense,small boat skipper liscense,[if you have such]and any other liscense worth mentioning,for the duration of the sentence. Say you are caught DUI over and get six months.The police dont come in and storm off with the contents of your gunsafe,too costly to the taxpayer,in police time and storage,uncostitutional as well under German civil law.All they do is seal the safe with police tape and make off with your paperwork for the duration.:cool:.

However poaching is actually a JAILABLE offence! And as there arent really anymore starving farmers or food rationed cities over in Germany like in the late 1940s and early 50s..[.Might have been a few in the workers paradise of East Germany when it was the GDR,but they were proably shipped off to lead mines in Siberia..:eek:]

You should also ask him is the law still with the hunter in the state that he is from that you could shoot poachers on sight??:eek::D

We could use a simple tagging system ,the same as is used for wild Salmon,each stalker gets x amount of tags that are numbered to that stalker,each culled carcas is tagged and recorded in a log,stalkers /poachers found with untagged carcas,looses firearm,game dealers found with untagged carcas,closed,....simples

BUT [there is always one]
Who is going to pay for it??IE printing the tags,distributing the tags, collating the datas of tags,etc?? US !!the taxpaying stalkers.!!:mad:
If any of the private sector organisations get their paws on it.You can be assured this will be a money spinning racket like no other.:mad:

How tamper proof un copyable witll this be??We can see from our gun liscenses how robust and user friendly they are..No bets on the fact that tags will be the cheapest of the cheap!!Proably made of waterproof rice paper,ideal for the wet Irish climate.

So the poacher looses his liscense for a few months,years etc.Whats to stop him re applying after the sentence for his liscense again??He's done the "time" and is clear in the eyes of the law,and continues as normal?

Try a massive FINE and publicity as a better deterrent..Like 20/25 thousand euros 1st offence with and wage/dole garnishment as a payment.All monies back into wildlife management projects please:)

Any vechicles,firearms,equipment and property[like the location of where the carcasses were stored] can be seized as payment.

How enforceable will this be???I have yet to meet a NPWS ranger in my travels while stalking.You can make all the laws you want,it means Jack if it cant be enforced. Simple thing is we have plenty of laws to deal with this but not enough enforcement.

arrowloopboy

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Very true!!! Along with your pilots liscense,small boat skipper liscense,[if you have such]and any other liscense worth mentioning,for the duration of the sentence. Say you are caught DUI over and get six months.The police dont come in and storm off with the contents of your gunsafe,too costly to the taxpayer,in police time and storage,uncostitutional as well under German civil law.All they do is seal the safe with police tape and make off with your paperwork for the duration.:cool:.

However poaching is actually a JAILABLE offence! And as there arent really anymore starving farmers or food rationed cities over in Germany like in the late 1940s and early 50s..[.Might have been a few in the workers paradise of East Germany when it was the GDR,but they were proably shipped off to lead mines in Siberia..:eek:]

You should also ask him is the law still with the hunter in the state that he is from that you could shoot poachers on sight??:eek::D




BUT [there is always one]
Who is going to pay for it??IE printing the tags,distributing the tags, collating the datas of tags,etc?? US !!the taxpaying stalkers.!!:mad:
If any of the private sector organisations get their paws on it.You can be assured this will be a money spinning racket like no other.:mad:

How tamper proof un copyable witll this be??We can see from our gun liscenses how robust and user friendly they are..No bets on the fact that tags will be the cheapest of the cheap!!Proably made of waterproof rice paper,ideal for the wet Irish climate.

So the poacher looses his liscense for a few months,years etc.Whats to stop him re applying after the sentence for his liscense again??He's done the "time" and is clear in the eyes of the law,and continues as normal?

Try a massive FINE and publicity as a better deterrent..Like 20/25 thousand euros 1st offence with and wage/dole garnishment as a payment.All monies back into wildlife management projects please:)

Any vechicles,firearms,equipment and property[like the location of where the carcasses were stored] can be seized as payment.

How enforceable will this be???I have yet to meet a NPWS ranger in my travels while stalking.You can make all the laws you want,it means Jack if it cant be enforced. Simple thing is we have plenty of laws to deal with this but not enough enforcement.

Not sure what thats about,but it sounds like a reasonable enough law.

4200fps

Invincible wrote: »

Limits on what can be shot should be introduced. 10 is enough for any man I think.

Ah, sure you've 27 shot already, where would that leave you! :eek:

28 if you include the one I got with you Friday. It leaves alot of bellys full

Grizzly 45

Means exactly what it says...:eek: At one stage the the German hunting law actually allowed you to use deadly force against poachers. It was a law that hung in there from Imperial Germany,proably was still in the 3rd Reich and maybe is/was still in the Federal German hunting laws..
As each Federal State of germany decides its own hunting laws,maybe some have removed this,or like the former East Germany,never had it..
Not that it is used much these days...But if it still is there it is nice to have the option.:):D

rowa

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Means exactly what it says...:eek: At one stage the the German hunting law actually allowed you to use deadly force against poachers. It was a law that hung in there from Imperial Germany,proably was still in the 3rd Reich and maybe is/was still in the Federal German hunting laws..
As each Federal State of germany decides its own hunting laws,maybe some have removed this,or like the former East Germany,never had it..
Not that it is used much these days...But if it still is there it is nice to have the option.:):D

Seeing as we inherited a lot of old english laws that were never taken off the statute books, being sent to australia for shooting a rabbit on someone elses is probabily still a possible punishment, but with the state of the country these days that would be a reward :rolleyes:.

Glensman

Could we not all pay a fee for our Deer Permits? Say €30 a year and put the money directly towards more rangers?

More Rangers = more prosecitions = less poaching?

steyrman2

Glensman wrote: »

Could we not all pay a fee for our Deer Permits? Say €30 a year and put the money directly towards more rangers?

More Rangers = more prosecitions = less poaching?

Hi its a nice idea but with around 4600 hunting licence issued that would bring in 138,000 might put 2 rangers in a job for a year would not pay for expenses for the deer hunting season the problem is all over ireland plus the npws is noth just there for to look after deer leases the have a lot of day today work to do

The would be better off tackling the big earners ie the guys with big numbers shot look at the game dealers records pick them out interview them go through there permissions with a fine tooth comb get them to brake it down how the reach there numbers whats there management plans for there ground


What if a local ranger offered to go out with them for a stalk to seen the deer numbers that the are culling from i think the would be in for a kick in the hole


Its not rocket science the know who the need to target there is a old saying THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT
problem is the rangers hands are tied to a certain point
The rules in poaching is there are no rules but as a stalker you have to abide by the rules and laws

STALKERS NEED TO BE PRO ACTIVE AND NOT ON FORUMS
Its up to each man to look after there own ground and need to send a signal out were watching you

noddyone2

clivej wrote: »

Try to catch the 9pm News to see this. Garda and Rangers out in force in Kerry and Wicklow

What is potching?

CJhaughey

noddyone2 wrote: »

What is potching?

When you only do half of a hotch-potch.

Fallow01

Steyrman2 your last line could never be more true, but how many actually do!

I enjoyed reading all the comments on this thread but there are some facts we are all forgetting -

1. Deer are high priority for us but low priority to NPWS, two rangers recently have confirmed this to me
2. Other than admin staff there is only person in all the southern hunting organisations who is paid a salary, car, expenses...
3. Tags are a good idea but without knowing deer numbers, we are just going to create a revenue stream for NPWS/government or a particular hunting organisation that decides to jump on tag bandwagon (refer to point 2) - so guys be careful what you wish for
4. Poaching patrols like the WDAI guys are doing with the support of Gardai are the only way you get results - NPWS are now weighing up the costs of a legal action before they take the case rather than enforce the laws

Grizzly 45

So in breif..The PTB responsible consider deer a problem not an asset and wont prosecute a 100% sure case if it is too expensive.:rolleyes:
Meantime organisations that are supposed to be on our side are looking at making more money out of a majority while repersenting a minority with a remit they do not have or should be allowed to have.
IOW FUBAR!!:mad::(

Fallow01

Grizzly - do you not mean "organisation" rather than organisations and the reverse of "making more money out of a majority while representing a minority"?

bettyswollocks

Theres a problem with poaching in my neck of the woods, lets say its north Wicklow somewhere. I am not having people firing shots from the road down near my house in the middle of the night. Last weekend I went out and confronted one of them, took the rifle from him and smashed the barrel a few times into the ground. Problem solved. Before you ask, Im 6 foot 6 and 200 pounds in weight.

daithi55

bettyswollocks wrote: »

Theres a problem with poaching in my neck of the woods, lets say its north Wicklow somewhere. I am not having people firing shots from the road down near my house in the middle of the night. Last weekend I went out and confronted one of them, took the rifle from him and smashed the barrel a few times into the ground. Problem solved. Before you ask, Im 6 foot 6 and 200 pounds in weight.

6 foot 6 and 200 pounds is a big easy target to shoot yer lucky the guys wasnt aggressive or mad
confronting them is the last thing ya should do

ah sure !

bettyswollocks wrote: »

Theres a problem with poaching in my neck of the woods, lets say its north Wicklow somewhere. I am not having people firing shots from the road down near my house in the middle of the night. Last weekend I went out and confronted one of them, took the rifle from him and smashed the barrel a few times into the ground. Problem solved. Before you ask, Im 6 foot 6 and 200 pounds in weight.

Can you run faster that a bullet ? Not being smart or anything but be careful .(i don't shot at night in north Wicklow before you ask ...)

bazza888

sure you did bettyswollocks......

4200fps

bettyswollocks wrote: »

Theres a problem with poaching in my neck of the woods, lets say its north Wicklow somewhere. I am not having people firing shots from the road down near my house in the middle of the night. Last weekend I went out and confronted one of them, took the rifle from him and smashed the barrel a few times into the ground. Problem solved. Before you ask, Im 6 foot 6 and 200 pounds in weight.

You could meet the wrong guy some night and he might could leave you on the ground with a knife while your smashing a gun, Some people have no fear and will do anything to get away. Theres shootings and stabbing every day on the news.. Another news report wouldn't suprise anyone. Just letting you know how big of a risk your taking.

howya mike

You should be careful before you get hurt. Only 14 stone at 6ft 6? Thats more basil fawlty than the incredible hulk. Even if you did do what you say (and i doubt it) it doesnt solve any problem and its irrisponsible to suggest it.

TriggerPL

bettyswollocks wrote: »

Theres a problem with poaching in my neck of the woods, lets say its north Wicklow somewhere. I am not having people firing shots from the road down near my house in the middle of the night. Last weekend I went out and confronted one of them, took the rifle from him and smashed the barrel a few times into the ground. Problem solved. Before you ask, Im 6 foot 6 and 200 pounds in weight.

What is that smell !

Lads it simple , pps number at the gate of dealers or social welfare officers .

Selling straight to public will never be allowed , ( cost vets jobs )

Or gives us all permits to lamp and then were all even !

That was a joke