Vegetarians

questionmark?

Without wanting this thread to generate into relentless smut, can anyone offer a sociological/psychiatric reason as to why vegetarians eat meat substitutes?

Meat eaters love the taste of meat obviously, so how can a vegetarian indulge themselves or their eating partner using a replica of meat, something which they identify as being disgusted by? It strikes me as paradoxical.

"I love eating anything that doesn't contain meat but yet use plastic imitations of meat to pleasure my stomach"

It just seems odd or contradictory to me.

LeeHoffmann

most vegetarians refrain from eating meat on moral grounds, not because they find meat disgusting

OneArt

LOL. "Eating partner".

qz

They gotsta get their nutrients somehow, and with limited options available once meat is out of the occasion I don't the issue in vegetarians eating a meat substitute.

Benny_Cake

Most vegetarians would only occasionally eat meat substitutes (such as Quorn or the Linda McCartney range). - it isn't an everyday thing. Personally, I'm not a vegetarian because I dislike the taste of meat, quite the opposite.I'm veggie for purely ethical reasons so it really isn't an issue.

aaronjumper

Ugh that Quorn stuff smells and tastes horrible. Real meat all the way!

Irish Guitarist

I'm a vegetarian. I like the taste of meat but I don't like eating dead animals therefore I eat things like Quorn.

Jimoslimos

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I'm a vegetarian. I like the taste of meat but I don't like eating dead animals therefore I eat things like Quorn.

They do protest less than live ones though.

Fromthetrees

Meat is murder,


delicious, succulent, gorgeous murder.


Oh,


and vegetarians hate plants, there's some psychological name for the condition now that escapes me but I'm fairly sure it's in the sexual disturbance area of mental health studies.

General Relativity

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Most vegetarians would only occasionally eat meat substitutes (such as Quorn or the Linda McCartney range). - it isn't an everyday thing. Personally, I'm not a vegetarian because I dislike the taste of meat, quite the opposite.I'm veggie for purely ethical reasonsso it really isn't an issue.

Timmothy 4: 1-3

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils ... commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

:rolleyes:

Chuck Stone

questionmark? wrote: »

Without wanting this thread to generate into relentless smut, can anyone offer a sociological/psychiatric reason as to why vegetarians eat meat substitutes?

Why not?

LeeHoffmann

I think the chicken-style quorn is awesome actually and the mince is good. I´ve served it to people. They wouldn´t notice it´s not real dead animal , unless I said it to them. Though meat does have something that substitutes probably won´t ever have

Jimoslimos

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I think the chicken-style quorn is awesome actually and the mince is good. I´ve served it to people. They wouldn´t notice it´s not real dead animal , unless I said it to them. Though meat does have something that substitutes probably won´t ever have

No, I'd reckon they're just being polite. Certainly if I was a guest eating food presented to me I wouldn't question it.

BidillyBo

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I think the chicken-style quorn is awesome actually and the mince is good. I´ve served it to people. They wouldn´t notice it´s not real dead animal , unless I said it to them. Though meat does have something that substitutes probably won´t ever have

Don't think if you have someone over for dinner their gonna start asking you what kind of manky chicken you bought their just gonna try pretend to like it

LeeHoffmann

:pac: have you ever tried it?

The people I´m talking about would have no bother telling me they don´t like my grub, and they started buying the quorn mince themselves after that as they preferred it to meat

Pherekydes

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

most vegetarians refrain from eating meat on moral grounds, not because they find meat disgusting

Or health grounds.

LeeHoffmann

yep, I know there are different reasons. I was just going for what I think is the most frequent one. I haven´t heard many people say they´re veggie because meat disgusts them though

Jimoslimos

Probably unpopular, but I only see two valid reasons for vegetarianism.

1) Taste
2) Cost

LeeHoffmann

it doesn´t really matter what reasons you approve of

positron

Probably because of the limited knowledge or imagination of vegetarian dishes. If you are used to eating bangers and mash all your life, mash alone isn't going be very appealing.

I have been vegetarian for a few months now and never ever felt the need for any "meat substitution" because I am of Indian origin and there are a f*ckton of vegetarian dishes I can think of, and prepare relatively easily, and I would enjoy them more too. So yeah, I think it's probably an influence of what they are used to..

LeeHoffmann

Yeah never missed meat with indian food. Love indian!

Father Damo

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

most vegetarians refrain from eating meat on moral grounds, not because they find meat disgusting

It is quite litreally impossible to lead a daily life without the aid of products partly made from dead animals. Glass, insulation, wallpaper, paint, cement- your own house is built using materials tht all contain components sourced from dead cattle. So why restrict meat eating on moral grounds? The cow is going to die anyway, whether it is used primarily for food or manufcturing is the only question. A person can truly only lead an entirely morally sound vegetarian lifestyle if they live in a cave!

bohsman

Some are given medical advise to stop eating meat, makes sense to eat substitutes. I don't like meat and I would almost never eat quorn etc, vile stuff.

LeeHoffmann

A person can truly only lead an entirely morally sound vegetarian lifestyle if they live in a cave!

I don´t see anything immoral about trying to reduce the amount of animal products you use

If vegetarianism isn´t for you, then don´t do it. I don´t see anyone trying to convince you to give up your meat

Father Damo

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I don´t see anything immoral about trying to reduce the amount of animal products you use

If vegetarianism isn´t for you, then don´t do it. I don´t see anyone trying to convince you to give up your meat

I just dont get the moral point. If you go to a builder and ask him to build you a new house, animal products will be used. So what is the point? Its like the way some religious people pick and choose what parts of their faith to obey by ignoring the parts they dont like.

LeeHoffmann

I think you missed an important word in my last post; reduce. Reducing what is bad is generally better than doing nothing. The thinking really isn´t hard to follow. I think you want to pull me into a debate about whether people should be vegetarian or not, but I really couldn´t care less what you eat, man.

james142

Save the plants! Eat bacon.

Benny_Cake

General Relativity wrote: »

Timmothy 4: 1-3



:rolleyes:

Uh, why the Bible quotes?! I'm not a vegetarian for religious reasons and I certainly think people should feel free to eat meat if they want, it's a personal choice.

Pherekydes

Father Damo wrote: »

Glass, insulation, wallpaper, paint, cement-

I want to know more!

General Relativity

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Uh, why the Bible quotes?! I'm not a vegetarian for religious reasons and I certainly think people should feel free to eat meat if they want, it's a personal choice.

Mod: Christiainty => Christian.

Tomk1

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I think the chicken-style quorn is awesome actually and the mince is good. I´ve served it to people. They wouldn´t notice it´s not real dead animal , unless I said it to them. Though meat does have something that substitutes probably won´t ever have

Some people are intolerant to Soya, so should find out beforehand, also why need to lie? I use to eat veggi food, those veggi-fingers are actually a handy subsitute for veg, can grill oven nuke or deep fat fry, which you can't do with normal veg.
But as meat subsitute goes does start to taste the same no matter what it's trying to mimic, because it's basically the same ingredient in different shapes with who knows what as flavouring. Went back to meat because at least I knew what I was eating also health reasons, IBS with which beef is one food I can safely eat.

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

most vegetarians refrain from eating meat on moral grounds, not because they find meat disgusting

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LeeHoffmann

why need to lie?

Why assume I lied? I didn´t btw. I served it. I never even thought to say: this isn´t meat. They knew we were veggies. We were discussing the food and I made some kind of comment like ´you wouldn´t really notice it´s not meat, right?´ and that´s when they learned it wasn´t meat and I learned they hadn´t realised that already. Surprise all round.

strandroad

Tomk1 wrote: »

Some people are intolerant to Soya, so should find out beforehand

Quorn is not soya though.

kowloon

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

Yeah never missed meat with indian food. Love indian!

Indian food would be my food of choice if I had veggie friends around. Veggie burgers can **** right off.

And I'll leave this here because it's funny. Link

strandroad

kowloon wrote: »

Indian food would be my food of choice if I had veggie friends around. Veggie burgers can **** right off.

Indian food is amazing for that. Chinese veg food is pretty nonexistent though, at least in places I tried!

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

Although this thread has been completely answered and summed up in 1 line by the very first reply, it will inevitably turn into a vegetarian bashing thread. I am vegan myself and have seen these threads countless times on various forums and really believe they are as useless as an ejection seat in a helicopter. You get the same rehashed jokes, the same arguments/counter-arguments and not a blind bit of difference made to the lives and habits of either side (vegetarians/vegans & meat-eaters).

So to everyone here considering posting: Don't bother, it's pointless.

questionmark?

Aciiiiiiiiiiid wrote: »

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You went through the effort of registering just to make that post?

LeeHoffmann

yeah veggie burgers are mostly crap. There was one though - they were called mozzarella burgers and you could get them from Super Valu. They were awesome! They have a massive cheese hence fat percentage and I guess that´s where the taste comes from. Not healthy but great if you´re missing an auld burger

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

questionmark? wrote: »

You went through the effort of registering just to make that post?

Sure did skip.

Johro

questionmark? wrote: »

Without wanting this thread to generate into relentless smut, can anyone offer a sociological/psychiatric reason as to why vegetarians eat meat substitutes?

Meat eaters love the taste of meat obviously, so how can a vegetarian indulge themselves or their eating partner using a replica of meat, something which they identify as being disgusted by? It strikes me as paradoxical.

"I love eating anything that doesn't contain meat but yet use plastic imitations of meat to pleasure my stomach"

It just seems odd or contradictory to me.

Relentless smut FTW

questionmark?

I just could never see myself as a non-meat eating lesbian vegetarian.

Have to agree with the poster who said you would have to live in a cave to be a true vegan anyway.

Here's another scenario if we stop using animal products in any shape or form can we presume that the only cows, sheep, pigs, hens, sheep etc... that will remain will be a few left in a wildlife park and a few as family pets.

Wurly

Substitutes provide more variety. They're yum and you can follow recipes that would ordinarily have meat in and put quorn in instead. They're brilliant.

I'm a veggie for moral reasons. I used to like the taste of some meats. But you get used to not having them.

For me - its like saying, I love alcohol and like being merry. If I do that every day, i'll be in sh1te.. And so I abstain. Thinking of the consequences makes abstaining easy.

Same for meat. The consequences of eating it is contrary to what I believe in. So therefore, I wont do it. And abstaining is easy.

I couldn't give a fiddlers sh1te if anyone else eats meat. None of my business. I really dislike the label that vegetarians get though.. some sort of preachy 'hippy'. Not the case.;)

Benny_Cake

kowloon wrote: »

Indian food would be my food of choice if I had veggie friends around. Veggie burgers can **** right off.

And I'll leave this here because it's funny. Link

Yeah, a good veggie biryani is something special alright.

im invisible

i knew a vegaterian once, but she'd take meat if she got it

Omackeral

Here's the real question. If vegetarians love animals so much then why do they eat all their food?

General Relativity

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Uh, why the Bible quotes?! I'm not a vegetarian for religious reasons and I certainly think people should feel free to eat meat if they want, it's a personal choice.

Did you read the quote wrong? It tells you to eat meat.

Intensive Care Bear

I have a question for the vegetarians here that like meat but don't eat it for moral reasons, would you ever eat other peoples meat left overs? You are not contributing to the animals death nor are you increasing demand for meat so morally you shouldn't have any problems eating meat leftovers.

I have brought this up in conversation with a few of my vegetarian friends and surprisingly a few of them have started doing it.

Is this a common thing?

Swampy

Bacon. The smell of it must taunt any vegetarian. Best invention ever.

Scruffles

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

yep, I know there are different reasons. I was just going for what I think is the most frequent one. I haven´t heard many people say they´re veggie because meat disgusts them though

have personaly known IRL more veggies who refused to eat meat based on texture/taste of it rather than moral grounds-the only moral veggie had ever known was self; gave up all meat products for a year but because diet was already extremely limited due to severe autism had gotten very ill.

had also gave up chicken when got into incubating/hand rearing chickens,have got ten spoilt pet marans,light sussex and japanese cochins and feel like a traitor to them for going back on the 'gear',its very difficult to change lifetime routines.
one thing will never do though is never eat meat unless its of high humane and free ranging standards,will go without it rather than have basic meat.
its the least humans can do if theyre going to be involved in their sacrifice to be honest, just a pity its more expensive to give animals better quality of lives,it shoud be a right for them.

cafecolour

I was vegetarian for 8 years and never ate the stuff, and most of my veggie friends didn't either.

The two I know who did eat them a lot didn't really cook for themselves much. They basically ate microwaved veggie food.