REPS 4 payments

tismesoitis

nearly time for these. lad in dept tent at ploughin told us should have payment dec 1st. anyone else hear anything?

castletrader

Could do with getting it soon allright ,but did not get it till January last year ,but the year before got it just before christmas. I could also do with the SFP being payed next week to pay a few bills as well.Fingers crossed ill get somthing soon.

blue5000

The whole country has their tongues hanging out for money, had to break into the kid's money box today:o

kevthegaff

Didn't get me reps payment yet:-(

supersean1999

kevthegaff wrote: »

Didn't get me reps payment yet:-(

no nor me, is it due this week for sure???

blue5000

I heard it's part due 2nd week of dec, don't know about the balance.

kevthegaff

i got 75% last december and rest in january

leg wax

the christmas bonus jesus this farmin is the bees nees

supersean1999

leg wax wrote: »

the christmas bonus jesus this farmin is the bees nees

its feast of famine, animals are dear to keep this year, the money will run out a lot sooner this year if its not all ready gone

Dirac98

Anyone got any info as to if this is coming through next week?

20silkcut

I got my last reps3 payment in dec 2010. God be with the days. I used to get 6500 could do with it now. Up until October I was getting 100 euro a week on the farm assist that has now being cut to 40 euro a week cause I bought in stock this year and will probably be gone fully with the new measures introduced yesterday. In 2013 I will be getting at least 8500 less than I was getting in 2010 through budget cuts. I am sure there are many like me and worse. Farming has been absolutely dis-embowelled in comparison to other sectors. But then reps was never classed as an income but for me it was absolutely.

Us late starters in reps 3 really fell between the cracks. Might get the Aeos this year big maybe though.

maxxuumman

Dirac98 wrote: »

Anyone got any info as to if this is coming through next week?

In FJ today they said that payments will be starting any day (75%) with the balancing 25% paid before the end of December

ellewood

maxxuumman wrote: »

In FJ today they said that payments will be starting any day (75%) with the balancing 25% paid before the end of December

was the reps payment cut in last years budget ie. will we be getting less in 2012 than we did in 2011??

kevthegaff

well lads reps payment still not in could do with it

TUBBY

Rang the Dept number.
75% issued this morning. Just waiting for it to clear bank.

Username John

ellewood wrote: »

was the reps payment cut in last years budget ie. will we be getting less in 2012 than we did in 2011??

Hi Ellewood,

I think it will be 10% less this year, than what we got last year.

http://www.ifa.ie/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=_Lw7ta_oXFY%3D&tabid=586

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/site/farming-REPS-and-DAS-take-the-biggest-hits-in-budget-14206.html

jntsnk

No deduction on REPS

http://www.ifa.ie/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=tYc9pvXxbfM%3D&tabid=586

Username John

jntsnk wrote: »

No deduction on REPS

http://www.ifa.ie/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=tYc9pvXxbfM%3D&tabid=586

As I understand it... that's for next year.

So the 2013 payment == the 2012 payment.

But as REPS was cut by 10% in the 2012 budget (in Dec 2011) then we will see a 10% cut in what we get this year, compared to last year...

But... I am more than happy to be proved wrong in this case, and not get a 10% cut

ellewood

Username John wrote: »

As I understand it... that's for next year.

So the 2013 payment == the 2012 payment.

But as REPS was cut by 10% in the 2012 budget (in Dec 2011) then we will see a 10% cut in what we get this year, compared to last year...

But... I am more than happy to be proved wrong in this case, and not get a 10% cut

I had a niggling feeling alright that they cut it last year - for this year, but its still a lot better than anyone who has finished their reps plans and are getting nothing.

kevthegaff

ellewood wrote: »

I had a niggling feeling alright that they cut it last year - for this year, but its still a lot better than anyone who has finished their reps plans and are getting nothing.

how many more yrs is reps4?

ellewood

kevthegaff wrote: »

how many more yrs is reps4?

not 100% sure i started in 2008 but it was the end of 2009 before any payment so maybe 1 more year??

jntsnk

ellewood wrote: »

was the reps payment cut in last years budget ie. will we be getting less in 2012 than we did in 2011??

Yes, was thinking of any cuts on REPS for 2013 as 2012 cuts was old news to me.

Username John

kevthegaff wrote: »

how many more yrs is reps4?

2013 will be the last year as I understand it.

But maybe someone else can confirm that.

Are you hoping you will see more land freed up after REPS is finished Kev?

hugo29

ellewood wrote: »

not 100% sure i started in 2008 but it was the end of 2009 before any payment so maybe 1 more year??

i think next year is the last one and speaking to advisor i wouldnt count on any aeos scheme to compensate, they havent a pot to p!ss in

crikes i dont know about anyone else but money is only in and it spent again

Dirac98

Rang Dept today. Payment run has been made and should !!! be in bank tomorrow morning. Was told balancing payment of 25% will be couple of days before Xmas.

I checked the amount they are paying this year and it is definately 10% less than last year as I've checked the fi

Dirac98

figures

blue5000

So if they do an inspection and ppl don't have everything 100% perfect what happens?

maxxuumman

So for those that got in to reps4 just before they stopped taking applications, is 2013 the final year.

When reps was mentioned by Houlan in the budget, he did say that some of 2013's payments would be pushed out into 2014.(soft landing for the public accounts)

tabby aspreme

If I can remember correctly I got into reps 4 on the final day, so the first year I had 3 months of reps 4 and then 5 full years, I think this is my 3rd full year

Stinicker

This payment makes up over 50% of farm income on my family farm, December 2013 will be the 5th and final year of payment, unless a new scheme is introduced our family farm will be worthless and should be either sold or forested to realize maximum potential and I myself as heir to it will have to emigrate abroad as these last ties to this country will be worthless. I have remained here since 2008 because I have so much inheritance at stake.

I have always maintained that there is no future in farming and have had many rows with my father over this issue, I wanted him to sell the farm for €2.5m during the boom and he refused, he refused once again to buy another large farm for half a million euro when that could have been forested giving a large financial return. I see no future in farming especially when the state continues to make payments to farmers over 60, succession or the lack of it in family farms is killing them. If farming is to have a future then it needs to be geared towards the young farmer who will try and make an honest go of it, not old farmers who expect their children to waste their lives away and wait for them to die before they can do anything with a place.

Dirac98

75% of money in AIB this morning. Now just gone out of AIB again to pay bills!

maxxuumman

75% in PTSB this morning

kevthegaff

into the boi:) account

20silkcut

Stinicker wrote: »

This payment makes up over 50% of farm income on my family farm, December 2013 will be the 5th and final year of payment, unless a new scheme is introduced our family farm will be worthless and should be either sold or forested to realize maximum potential and I myself as heir to it will have to emigrate abroad as these last ties to this country will be worthless. I have remained here since 2008 because I have so much inheritance at stake.

I have always maintained that there is no future in farming and have had many rows with my father over this issue, I wanted him to sell the farm for €2.5m during the boom and he refused, he refused once again to buy another large farm for half a million euro when that could have been forested giving a large financial return. I see no future in farming especially when the state continues to make payments to farmers over 60, succession or the lack of it in family farms is killing them. If farming is to have a future then it needs to be geared towards the young farmer who will try and make an honest go of it, not old farmers who expect their children to waste their lives away and wait for them to die before they can do anything with a place.

Did you want him to sell the farm and give you the money ?

Is he currently stopping you from running the farm and getting an income out of it?

Unless you commit to a life of bachelor hood you will never have the payments or farm income to yourself and even then the taxman will get you and your parents will still have to be looked after anyway , nursing homes are around 700 euro a week at least.

This current period where the two of you are living off it with everything in his name may actually be the most profitable. With nothing in your name you can draw the dole. If you have an off farm job then your better again And I presume he can look after things while your working.
I had a father once and I can tell you they are missed when they are not around anymore. Ringing neighbours to stand in gaps and help round up your cattle is not always an option. His labour is free or would be in most family situations.
This notion that paradise awaits when you get everything in your name and your parents pushed aside is false it is then that the sh1 t starts. It is then that the taxman cometh. It is then that you are the boss and the hedge cutter/ hoof trimmer/ vet / mechanic/ tradesman/scrap merchant/ contractor etc etc will look for you for payment. Your life will be full of dealing with assholes and you won't be able to say: " talk to the boss" or " talk to the ould lad" anymore.

adne

Anyone get paid to an ulster bank ac

hugo29

adne wrote: »

Anyone get paid to an ulster bank ac

yes ulster bank lodged this am

jayus its looks small,

Username John

Nothing in my PTSB account yet...

adne

hugo29 wrote: »

yes ulster bank lodged this am

jayus its looks small,

Feck no payment for me so

Username John

Stinicker wrote: »

This payment makes up over 50% of farm income on my family farm, December 2013 will be the 5th and final year of payment, unless a new scheme is introduced our family farm will be worthless and should be either sold or forested to realize maximum potential and I myself as heir to it will have to emigrate abroad as these last ties to this country will be worthless. I have remained here since 2008 because I have so much inheritance at stake.

I have always maintained that there is no future in farming and have had many rows with my father over this issue, I wanted him to sell the farm for €2.5m during the boom and he refused, he refused once again to buy another large farm for half a million euro when that could have been forested giving a large financial return. I see no future in farming especially when the state continues to make payments to farmers over 60, succession or the lack of it in family farms is killing them. If farming is to have a future then it needs to be geared towards the young farmer who will try and make an honest go of it, not old farmers who expect their children to waste their lives away and wait for them to die before they can do anything with a place.

Hi Stinicker,

Its hard to know where to start with that post... I think most peple will tell you lads aren't in farming to make their millions

But maybe the best thing to say is provide a bit more info on your farm, what you guys currently do, what you'd like to do yourself... and then maybe people on here can provide suggestions for maybe increasing the returns...

Sometimes, its easier to talk to a stranger, and they see things more clearly than people who are very involved...

1chippy

Selling for 2.5m buying another bit for .5m. Call me old fashioned, short sighted or whatever but i'm one of those lads that would like to think that the family farm will still be the family farm in generations to come. Use it as collateral to expand or whatever but id never sell what was gathered over years and generations.
There is profit in everything its just a case of finding it. Waiting on an inheritance since 08 is only a bit of it, will you have to wait another 10 years? its a big section of your life waiting.
You may not see a future in farming but i know it would kill my parents if i put a for sale sign on the gate, even though when they hand it over it should be up to you what you do with it, maybe they dont want to see it.
Im probably being rude here but stop watching what you might be getting and make a go at something else. The reps payments, grants and inheritance will all be a bonus to you (if you get them;)).

red bull

No payment yet

airneal

Hi all, I was a REPS planner. I know people who got in the very last day. As far as I understand, the Govt has to honour the contracts, they may reduce payments alright, but I think some people will be getting paid up to and including 2015.

As for those who are worried about AEOS schemes, again my understanding is that there will be no AEOS in 2013. However, there will be a new scheme in 2014 (CAP Reform year, Hopefully!), anyone already in AEOS will get the oppurtunity to switch over to the new scheme without being penalised etc.

This country is heading for the big amalgamated farming estates like in America. There is a big push on Dairy partnerships etc now. Small farmer will eventually be sqeezed out of production, (for those who are relying on income!).

hugo29

airneal wrote: »

Hi all, I was a REPS planner. I know people who got in the very last day. As far as I understand, the Govt has to honour the contracts, they may reduce payments alright, but I think some people will be getting paid up to and including 2015.

As for those who are worried about AEOS schemes, again my understanding is that there will be no AEOS in 2013. However, there will be a new scheme in 2014 (CAP Reform year, Hopefully!), anyone already in AEOS will get the oppurtunity to switch over to the new scheme without being penalised etc.

This country is heading for the big amalgamated farming estates like in America. There is a big push on Dairy partnerships etc now. Small farmer will eventually be sqeezed out of production, (for those who are relying on income!).

jayus your a fcuking beacon of light at the end of a dark tunnel, thanks for that and here was me looking forward to a better year next year

poor stincker is definately over the edge after reading that

airneal

Hugo, schemes will come around again. I hope that all farmers big and small get a FAIR crak of the whip when the CAP Deal comes around. My hope would that there will be a flat rate payment attached to land for all. There should also be an additional payment made to the farmers who are producing. In my opinion, the only payment that should be fixed is the flat rate payment, the payment for production should be variable. Its the fairest way, especially for younger farmers trying to get into farming, as farmers who were producing and want to get out (cus the average is somewhere round 60 yrs age now), will FREE up the production payment. I think times ahead will definitely be the ...era for the freedom to farm! Although, if the big boys got/get their way, the small farmer would/ will be completely be pushed out, as the younger ones trying to get in will be disheartned. I think small/ medium farmers have to hold their ground, and look at the bigger picture, which sometimes gets side tracked with other nonsense!

lanod2407

In the account ........ now where's the sweet-shop!!!

Cran

Still nothing wonder are they paying out in batches

jimmy G M

Any one in Galway get their reps payment yet?

I know that the Dept of Agri offices in Galway were re-located to Athenry recently. Hope a bunch of files didn't get mislaid in the move.:eek::eek: I have to ring again in the pm.

maxxuumman

Any world on the 25% payments. Looked at my accounts and I had it this time last yr. considering the yr we've had, could do with it on time this yr.

Cran

maxxuumman wrote: »

Any world on the 25% payments. Looked at my accounts and I had it this time last yr. considering the yr we've had, could do with it on time this yr.

25% I'm still waiting on the 75% anyone else in the same boat?

jomoloney

Cran wrote: »

25% I'm still waiting on the 75% anyone else in the same boat?

yep nothing here and not got the sheep grassland scheme yet , in spite of getting text last week that payment was granted

Username John

Cran wrote: »

25% I'm still waiting on the 75% anyone else in the same boat?

jomoloney wrote: »

yep nothing here and not got the sheep grassland scheme yet , in spite of getting text last week that payment was granted

Same here - neither REPS nor Sheep payment in...