One serious racist incident a week reported to Immigrant Council of Ireland

Chinasea

Reports by the European Agency of Fundamental Rights published yesterday (November 27th 2012) again show that hate crime is a reality across the EU and those behind such acts must be held to account, according to the Immigrant Council of Ireland.


The Council says both at EU and at national level Ireland must commit itself to take on this issue and ensure all people in the country are given every possible protection against hate crime.


Denise Charlton, Chief Executive of the Immigrant Council of Ireland said:
"The European Agency of Fundamental Rights has found that in minority communities across the EU one in every four people has been a victim of crime in the past year. This is a survey of over 23,000 people and cannot be easily dismissed.

The Immigrant Council of Ireland's preliminary figures for 2012 show we are responding to an average of one serious racist a week and it is clear that Ireland is not immune from this problem. The first step is to acknowledge that hate crime exists. Victims should be actively encouraged to come forward and offered every possible support, instead of being greeted with official indifference. Harsh sentences are also required for specific hate crimes and incidents of racism.

The Immigrant Council of Ireland is actively working with partners such as Dublin Bus, LUAS and Dublin City Council to counteract this problem. We are also about to launch our new Ambassadors for Change programme where we work with young people to tackle this problem.
There is no acceptable level of racism or hate crime. The Government has a role in driving that message home and it is our hope that it will do so during 2013, the EU Year of the Citizen."

This was a press release from yesterday launched by the Immigration Council of Ireland. Unfortunately none of it surprises me and sadly I think it must be absolutely terrifying to be out and about on our streets knowing that you might well have a totally unprovoked serious assault just because someone doesn’t like the look of you based on their judgement of your skin colour. For sure there will be the usual not so smart quips at this article, but I for one think it is so shameful.

Nodin

It could be considerably worse, and why no link to the article....

Chinasea

http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/media/press-releases/614-hate-crime-reports-reflect-reality-one-serious-racist-incident-a-week-reported-to-immigrant-council-of-ireland

Scioch

What constitutes a hate crime ? People are cúnts, we all know it. Whether your black, fat, bald or ginger some arsehole is gonna give ya shít on occasion.

Normal people dont racially abuse people, so the problem isnt with people being racists, its with people being scumbags.

squod

How bad is it compared to some other western European Nations? How bad is it compared to other nations globally. I'd say Ireland is a grand place to live generally.

loggedoff

squod wrote: »

How bad is it compared to some other western European Nations? How bad is it compared to other nations globally. I'd say Ireland is a grand place to live generally.

We don't have to look too far to see worse countries than ours when it comes to this sort of thing.

biko

It's worrying that there would be incidents at such a frequency. I'm curious as to what they define as hate crime.

I assume it must be at least assault?

A man who “engaged in the terrorising of a decent family from another country” has been given a four-year sentence with the final three years suspended.
Jason Kane (19), St Attracta Road, Cabra, Dublin, was one of a group who smashed the windscreen of the family’s van and assaulted the father when he confronted them. One of the other youths threatened the father and left the family in fear of further attacks.

loggedoff

biko wrote: »

It's worrying that there would be incidents at such a frequency. I'm curious as to what they define as hate crime.

I assume it must be at least assault?

You know the annoying thing about that?
If it was against an Irish family he probably wouldn't even do time.

girl in the striped socks

Meh.
I got called a stupid Irish kunt last week because some polish/ Latvian/ who really cares guy thought I broke the ATM machine.
I got on with my day without having to alert anyone to what happened.

mcmoustache

loggedoff wrote: »

You know the annoying thing about that?
If it was against an Irish family he probably wouldn't even do time.

Bullshít.

loggedoff

mcmoustache wrote: »

Bull****.

You think?

kirving

Where, and how do you draw a line between racism and just being a scumbag?

loggedoff

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Meh.
I got called a stupid Irish kunt last week

Which bit did he get wrong?:D

girl in the striped socks

loggedoff wrote: »

Which bit did he get wrong?:D

Racist!

loggedoff

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Where, and how do you draw a line between racism and just being a scumbag?

Apparently your a 'scumbag' if you attack one of your own and a 'racist scumbag' if you attack someone from another country.

Higher

squod wrote: »

How bad is it compared to some other western European Nations? How bad is it compared to other nations globally. I'd say Ireland is a grand place to live generally.

I think that has a lot to do with the type of immigrants we get though. I live around Blanch currently and to be honest most of the eastern europeans I see around look like they would knock lumps out of any knackers who said something to them.

However I would regularly see racism directed towards particularly south asian immigrants in Dublin. Go into any 24 hour shop on a Friday/Saturday night and see it for yourself.

Logical_Bear

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Meh.
I got called a stupid Irish kunt last week because some polish/ Latvian/ who really cares guy thought I broke the ATM machine.
I got on with my day without having to alert anyone to what happened.

should of replied 'fuk you,you swan eating knacker'

Scioch

loggedoff wrote: »

You know the funny thing about that?
If it was against an Irish family he probably wouldn't even do time.

Well if it wasnt racially motivated anyway. Key being in how racially motivated violence is seemingly abhorrent while regular beat the shít out of someone for no reason at all is a product of some poor guys horrible upbringing. And as such these people are often given suspended/short sentences and find their way back to the sewers to breed more hate into the rats they have spawned.

I wouldnt even think we have a racism problem, I think we have violent scumbags looking for excuses to be violent because violence in this state has not been sufficiently dealt with by the judicial system. If it wasnt that family some other poor fcuker would have gotten the brunt of their crap.

girl in the striped socks

Logical_Bear wrote: »

should of replied 'fuk you,you swan eating knacker'

Why would I lower myself to say that?

Dr Turk Turkelton

Meh scumbags gonna scumbag.

Anyone that doesn't agree with me is a racist.

Odysseus

Chinasea wrote: »

This was a press release from yesterday launched by the Immigration Council of Ireland. Unfortunately none of it surprises me and sadly I think it must be absolutely terrifying to be out and about on our streets knowing that you might well have a totally unprovoked serious assault just because someone doesn’t like the look of you based on their judgement of your skin colour. For sure there will be the usual not so smart quips at this article, but I for one think it is so shameful.

It doesn't surprise me either, however, I don't give a fcuk what colour their skin is or what nationality a person is. There are some very nasty people who will attack another human for any reason.

If they batter a black person he is a black cnut, if he is irish he might be posh/gay. The are plenty of fcukers out that that will use any reason to get their kicks, they may even use racist language, but really they will pick on a weaker target regardless of the colour of their skin.

Jezek

I got some racism directed towards me when I used to live near a horrible estate in Dublin. Everytime I went through I would get things thrown at me/names. Mostly by little scumbags-in-training. If I were Irish I probably would still have gotten grief, being foreing is just another thing they think they can use to abuse you. A handy little shortcut for them to justify hating on you

strandroad

Scioch wrote: »

Normal people dont racially abuse people, so the problem isnt with people being racists, its with people being scumbags.

1. True to a degree, but if your face is an extra trigger for them you will experience a lot more of focused scumbaggery than the next person.

2. Actually you'd be surprised how many "normal people" feel it's OK to make awful remarks. I have a few Indian or black friends or coworkers and the stories they tell are amazing. Admittedly it does not escalate to physical assaults but "go back to where you're from" seems to be a popular phrase for any occasion.

Nodin

mhge wrote: »

1. True to a degree, but if your face is an extra trigger for them you will experience a lot more of focused scumbaggery than the next person.

2. Actually you'd be surprised how many "normal people" feel it's OK to make awful remarks. I have a few Indian or black friends or coworkers and the stories they tell are amazing. Admittedly it does not escalate to physical assaults but "go back to where you're from" seems to be a popular phrase for any occasion.

...which, if they're second generation, may involve bus use.

mhge

mhge wrote: »

Admittedly it does not escalate to physical assaults but "go back to where you're from" seems to be a popular phrase for any occasion.

I once saw a woman on Nassau St. go over to a woman sitting begging and asking where she was from followed by "Well why don't you go back?" and walking off with a smug grin.

Scioch

mhge wrote: »

1. True to a degree, but if your face is an extra trigger for them you will experience a lot more of focused scumbaggery than the next person.

2. Actually you'd be surprised how many "normal people" feel it's OK to make awful remarks. I have a few Indian or black friends or coworkers and the stories they tell are amazing. Admittedly it does not escalate to physical assaults but "go back to where you're from" seems to be a popular phrase for any occasion.

I think the last few posts above make a good point though. They are looking for weak targets to focus their hatred at. It is racism too I suppose but the problem itself isnt racially motived even if some of their actions seem to be I dont think.

I've been out and been attacked and seen people attacked over a bag chipper food and called gay across the street, seen black people harassed in the same manner. They look for reasons to be that way and find it with anyone who is different in any way, not just racially. They have a problem with everyone. A black guy will get more of it than me, but so too with a gay person or a fat guy. Anyone who stands out is a target for these pricks.

SWL

This Report is bullsh1t, I am a foreigner never had any hassle living in Ireland, maybe because I make an effort to get along with Irish and Non Irish people, maybe becasue if someone says boo I don't run to some overpaid quango worker shouting teacher teacher that boy called me a name, help me help me I am such a victim of the racist Irish people.

This is a quango who publishes the number of racist events in Ireland at the same time every year; right before the budget so their well paid jobs, paid for by the racist irish are protected from cutbacks.

According to this organisation racism is increasing and when knee jerk reactions continue to take precedence over common sense people will be expected to not only pay for this crap but too put up with the Ireland is full of racists.

Much better if they addressed why some Irish people have a problem with certain foreigners in Ireland

Logical_Bear

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Why would I lower myself to say that?

who said it was lowering yourself to say it?

strandroad

Scioch wrote: »

I think the last few posts above make a good point though. They are looking for weak targets to focus their hatred at. It is racism too I suppose but the problem itself isnt racially motived even if some of their actions seem to be I dont think.

I've been out and been attacked and seen people attacked over a bag chipper food and called gay across the street, seen black people harassed in the same manner. They look for reasons to be that way and find it with anyone who is different in any way, not just racially. They have a problem with everyone. A black guy will get more of it than me, but so too with a gay person or a fat guy. Anyone who stands out is a target for these pricks.

I agree with you that they have a scattergun approach. It's just that looking from a victim's perspective, if you look "lifestyle different" you still have a better chance of blending in than a person whose traits cannot be hidden. Someone may still call me a **** or threaten me because I'm female or they don't like what I wear but I'd have to be really unlucky; a black girl is likely to get it on regular basis. Will she or won't she be right to see it as racism if it happens to her all the time but never to me?

SWL

Deleted User wrote: »

I once saw a woman on Nassau St. go over to a woman sitting begging and asking where she was from followed by "Well why don't you go back?" and walking off with a smug grin.

How many non- productive citizens from other states must Ireland support?

strandroad

SWL wrote: »

This Report is bullsh1t, I am a foreigner never had any hassle living in Ireland

Are you white, if I may ask? I am not Irish either and I don't get any major hassle apart from a stupid taxi driver or two (although radio show callers seem to hate us all right) but the experience of my black/Asian friends is different. They stand out for some.

SWL

SWL wrote: »

How many non- productive citizens from other states must Ireland support?

27.

Jezek

SWL wrote: »

How many non- productive citizens from other states must Ireland support?

Irrelevant. I don't think anyone here champions people who don't work or who get the dole and beg or any form of that carry-on. But when someone just start telling people to go back home, what does that achieve? Except making one look like a complete knob, of course

Scioch

mhge wrote: »

I agree with you that they have a scattergun approach. It's just that looking from a victim's perspective, if you look "lifestyle different" you still have a better chance of blending in than a person whose traits cannot be hidden. Someone may still call me a **** or threaten me because I'm female or they don't like what I wear but I'd have to be really unlucky; a black girl is likely to get it on regular basis. Will she or won't she be right to see it as racism if it happens to her all the time but never to me?

She can see it as racism because it is essentially racism, but the problem isnt with the perp (for want of a better word) being a racist. The problem is with them just being a plain own piece of shít scumbag who half an hour before it probably shouted sexist remarks at some girl who walk past or homophobic remarks as a gay couple they encountered.

So all this "Racism at record high" stuff is reflective of what ? The general view in Ireland of other nationalities or ethnicities ? Or is it just reflective of the amount of anti social people we have here who enjoy abusing people ?

CreepingDeath

Chinasea wrote: »

One serious racist incident a week reported to Immigrant Council of Ireland

I'd like to know their definition of "serious racist incident".
Is it physical abuse, or do they define verbal abuse as "serious" ?

There's plenty of Irish people being physically attacked by immigrants, but if we highlight that we're branded as "racist".

I was attacked by an African guy on a packed bus with full CC TV, and he got away with it scot free. My sister was nearly abducted and raped by two immigrants, one illegal who was thrown out and another who had drugs and date rape drugs in his flat and got 5 years.

39% of Nigerian immigrants here are unemployed, and we're paying for them.
Why did we accept such a huge influx of Africans, when they are not in the EU and they should be accepted by the first country they flee to for asylum?

laoch na mona

in the un general comments after our UPR report Iran gave us **** for being a racist country
lads tis bad when Iran tell you to cop on

SWL

Jezek wrote: »

Irrelevant. I don't think anyone here champions people who don't work or who get the dole and beg or any form of that carry-on. But when someone just start telling people to go back home, what does that achieve? Except making one look like a complete knob, of course

Yes they do champion them - Why should the Irish State and its citizens have to deal with non productive foreigners from other States who should be the responsibility of their countires to beg and harrsses members of the irish public on street in their Country.

strandroad

Scioch wrote: »

So all this "Racism at record high" stuff is reflective of what ? The general view in Ireland of other nationalities or ethnicities ? Or is it just reflective of the amount of anti social people we have here who enjoy abusing people ?

The latter if we're talking about scumbags, the former if we're talking about casual racism from good people in the street, radio show and online comments. Anyway I can see how it can be no fun for their targets.
The question is whether the two are related; and they may well be if this is what little scumbags hear in their houses and grow up with.

SWL

CreepingDeath wrote: »

I'd like to know their definition of "serious racist incident".
Is it physical abuse, or do they define verbal abuse as "serious" ?

There's plenty of Irish people being physically attacked by immigrants, but if we highlight that we're branded as "racist".

I was attacked by an African guy on a packed bus with full CC TV, and he got away with it scot free. My sister was nearly abducted and raped by two immigrants, one illegal who was thrown out and another who had drugs and date rape drugs in his flat and got 5 years.

39% of Nigerian immigrants here are unemployed, and we're paying for them.
Why did we accept such a huge influx of Africans, when they are not in the EU and they should be accepted by the first country they flee to for asylum?

Thats the problem with this quango its all one sided like Irish people are doing all the discriminating, how much racism is conducted by East Europeans against Africans in Ireland, how much is from other European States against other European States.

How much is directed against Irish people from those living in their Country.

If you believe this Quango Irish people have nothing else to do only be racist so why is there still approx. 60k immigration into the Country

loggedoff

Jezek wrote: »

Irrelevant. I don't think anyone here champions people who don't work or who get the dole and beg or any form of that carry-on. But when someone just start telling people to go back home, what does that achieve? Except making one look like a complete knob, of course

Maybe, just maybe, these people would be better off going back to the countries they came from.
If they came here to 'better' themselves and they're sitting begging on the streets, it obviously hasn't worked out for them.

SWL

mhge wrote: »

Are you white, if I may ask? I am not Irish either and I don't get any major hassle apart from a stupid taxi driver or two (although radio show callers seem to hate us all right) but the experience of my black/Asian friends is different. They stand out for some.

No radio shows don't hate us all, as I said I have never had any problems in Ireland. If people don't like it here or think Iirsh people are racist then leave and in some other imaginary utopia that exists where everybody likes everybody else.

Nobody forced us here and nobody is forcing us to stay.

strandroad

loggedoff wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, these people would be better off going back to the countries they came from.
If they came here to 'better' themselves and they're sitting begging on the streets, it obviously hasn't worked out for them.

I've heard about such things said to perfectly normal working people for nothing, so I don't think it's said out of the goodness of anyone's heart...

Odysseus

I may be wrong but I don't think we have a significant racist problem over here. Yeah people may be attacked and racist language may be used, but I don't think there are many hate crimes as such happening. I worked in the UK on sites when I was younger, there I had the joy of having to deal with the type of person who alines himself with groups like combat 18, there is a big difference is dealing with people like that and someone who called me a Paddy whatever in a heated moment.

The latter may happen here but I don't think there is much of the former going on.

loggedoff

mhge wrote: »

I've heard about such things said to perfectly normal working people for nothing, so I don't think it's said out of the goodness of anyone's heart...

I know that, but they may have a point, no?

Nodin

SWL wrote: »

How many non- productive citizens from other states must Ireland support?

.....apart from the racist ones? Good question....

yayaitsme

mhge wrote: »

The question is whether the two are related; and they may well be if this is what little scumbags hear in their houses and grow up with.

This is where the problem lies in my opinion, I believe it comes from what they learn at home. My daughter has been subject to racist comments frequently from when she was just a toddler. She has been punched in the face because as the child said " what's wrong with you that your brown I don't like your colour" . Its a common occurrence but she just doesn't react to it any more

strandroad

SWL wrote: »

No radio shows don't hate us all

Well listen to some then, there a thread here as well if you don't believe me. I said "all right" not "all" BTW.

SWL wrote: »

as I said I have never had any problems in Ireland. If people don't like it here or think Iirsh people are racist then leave and in some other imaginary utopia that exists where everybody likes everybody else.

Nobody forced us here and nobody is forcing us to stay.

In your earlier post you seem to be implying that if someone experiences any issues it's their fault because they don't make an effort like you do. It's quite a patronising thing to say (especially if you're not of colour and do not have that experience).

As I said I haven't been harassed either but I don't believe it's because I'm in any way special, just lucky; I know decent people who have.

Nodin

CreepingDeath wrote: »

.........

39% of Nigerian immigrants here are unemployed, and we're paying for them.
Why did we accept such a huge influx of Africans, when they are not in the EU and they should be accepted by the first country they flee to for asylum?

Ahh, the nigerians. What would we rant about if it wasn't for them...?

...as has been pointed out fuck knows how many times already...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59465073&postcount=1

SWL

Odysseus wrote: »

I may be wrong but I don't think we have a significant racist problem over here. Yeah people may be attacked and racist language may be used, but I don't think there are many hate crimes as such happening. I worked in the UK on sites when I was younger, there I had the joy of having to deal with the type of person who alines himself with groups like comat 18, there is a big difference is dealing with people like that and someone who called me a Paddy whatever in a heated moment.

The latter may happen here but I don't think there is much of the former going on.

If you keep pigeon holing ordinary hard working people like these quangos do many people will revolt, the idea that Irish people have nothing better to do than be racist is not normal, and worse is not accurate of Ireland.

SWL

Nodin wrote: »

.....apart from the racist ones? Good question....

That sums up the problems in Ireland, Quango workers like yourself too busy with knee jerk reactions than facing the truth.

M three

laoch na mona wrote: »

in the un general comments after our UPR report Iran gave us **** for being a racist country
lads tis bad when Iran tell you to cop on

They're no fools, they know we're america's little bitch. Unfortunately.