Getat problem, should I return?

Hi,

Got a Getat Pam homage watch (handwinding) during the week. I really like it however I have noticed that when it is turned upside down the movement stops after maybe 10 seconds and the watch ceases to function but otherwise it operates as normal. Do you guys think I should return it, or is it something simple to fix?

tks

Reloc8

I'd send it back pronto.

Nonoperational

Is there anything loose inside the movement? Could there be a loose screw or something touching the spring when you turn it upside down?

peasant

In my experience the described behaviour would indicate a broken/bent balance shaft tip, most likely caused by a heavy shock during transport or bad assembly.

That's a problem that needs a new balance wheel assembly fitted and to do that you'd have to send it back.

Depending on how much that costs/ how much of that cost your seller will pay / how much the watch cost you might just have to suck it up under "experience" though.

Monty Burnz

peasant wrote: »

Depending on how much that costs/ how much of that cost your seller will pay / how much the watch cost you might just have to suck it up under "experience" though.

This is the type of movement you want - at $42 delivered (and perhaps cheaper from another seller) it wouldn't break the bank to replace it, but of course you'd have to pay a watchmaker to swap them. When you factor that in, it may be as cheap to buy another watch altogether, so I guess you should send it back as you'll never be able to appreciate the watch otherwise.

Monty Burnz

Monty Burnz wrote: »

This is the type of movement you want - at $42 delivered (and perhaps cheaper from another seller) it wouldn't break the bank to replace it, but of course you'd have to pay a watchmaker to swap them. When you factor that in, it may be as cheap to buy another watch altogether, so I guess you should send it back as you'll never be able to appreciate the watch otherwise.

Thanks for that link.

Update on this, I have sent him about 10 emails asking for details on how to send it back and he just wont answer my emails, so to say I am not impressed would be an understatement. I'm not a member of any enthusiasts forum but If any of you are feel free to mention it.

The watch now is loosing time and is obviously faulty.

I am not going to buy a movement off him but if I was to buy one in the link how hard would it be to fit, I am extremely good with my hands and would have no reservations in taking it apart.

Is that movement better then the one that would currently be in the watch?

Nonoperational

It would be probably the same movement. The Asian 6497 is usually a very good movement though.

fishguy

Hi,

Don`t get me wrong I don`t want to be sarcastic, but generally speaking you get what you pay for...

Return the watch if you have a valid warranty but I`m not sure what cover would be provided for a homage...

Is it automatic or manual wind? Can you see the movement trough the caseback (glass caseback?) if so maybe post a picture about the watch and the caseback with the movement.

g.

m4r10

fishguy wrote: »

Hi,

Don`t get me wrong I don`t want to be sarcastic, but generally speaking you get what you pay for...

Return the watch if you have a valid warranty but I`m not sure what cover would be provided for a homage...

Is it automatic or manual wind? Can you see the movement trough the caseback (glass caseback?) if so maybe post a picture about the watch and the caseback with the movement.

g.

Are you saying a €50 Casio or Seiko are to be expected to break down in 2-3 weeks after purchase just because they're cheap? Or is it just because it's a homage/replica/fake (take your pick) and the OP can't afford a more expensive watch?

The guy who puts these watches together is doing that all by himself AFAIK and it's normal for a dud to slip through from time to time. The OP was unfortunate to get one that broke, but as it was said by others, it's a relatively easy movement swap.

I have a similar watch and TBH, it attracts more comments than other more expensive watches so that alone is a reason not to discount them.

fishguy

No, I'm not saying that any €50 Casio or Seiko are to be expected to break down in 2-3 weeks after purchase just because they're cheap? ANY $25 Casio and Seiko, Timex, Citizen is FAR superior in quality and the consistency of the quality than 99% of the homage watches. You can beat the hell out of a cheap Timex or Casio and you can be sure that watch could last another 15 years problem free.

The only acceptable homage watches in my book the modded watches, like a Sub homage what is a modded Seiko...
There you can try or enjoy the look of watch while still relying on bombproof Seiko quality.

The problem with most of the homages that the manufacturer wont stand behind their product. Not when building it, not when quality controlling it and not when doing customer support. And yes one get what one payed for. The OP payed for the looks of a Pam but also payed for the quality of a no-name, built by someone in china case and movement. If the OP is lucky the watch will run fine in fact up to chronometer standard and if the OP lucky the watch is pressure tested...

But 9 out of 10 homage watches... it's the opposite.

And yes : FAKE WATCHES ARE FOR FAKE PEOPLE!!!

Just my $0.02

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dazzler454

Sara Refined Roller-skate wrote: »

Hi,

Got a Getat Pam homage watch (handwinding) during the week. I really like it however I have noticed that when it is turned upside down the movement stops after maybe 10 seconds and the watch ceases to function but otherwise it operates as normal. Do you guys think I should return it, or is it something simple to fix?

tks

Same thing happened to me after my father gave it to me for my ordination in Maynooth. There is a priest here who happens to be an avid watch-collecter and takes pride and passion in fixing masterpieces. Tony O Rourke is his name. Get on it. (But not on him) LOL haha

m4r10

fishguy wrote: »

The only acceptable homage watches in my book the modded watches, like a Sub homage what is a modded Seiko...
There you can try or enjoy the look of watch while still relying on bombproof Seiko quality.

So one fake or homage is accepted but not others? I won't shout what this looks like to me, but it starts with snobb and ends with ism. You can fill the gaps.

fishguy wrote: »

And yes : FAKE WATCHES ARE FOR FAKE PEOPLE!!!

Just my $0.02

I've yet to see any fake people and google image was no help either. Moreover, if that's your opinion on this matter, why do you show an interest in this?

PS: No need to shout your point of view, if you can't make it stick by normal conversation, there's no way you're going to convince somebody by shouting.

Just my two penny worth.

fishguy

Go for it again and try to understand what I wrote.

Modded Seiko's are mod's. They are still Seikos but one can make them to look like something else to a certain extent.

A Pam homage is a homage/replica/fake and it's nothing but fake. The sole reason of it's existence to be a copy of another watch. This is a big difference imho...

As far as I can see homage/replica/fake watches are bad jokes, so as the majority of the people who wears them. (No not everyone but the majority)

It's not snobism, in fact you can go back to the age old -why bother to buy original for 20 times more-/-I buy original as it's the ultimate piece to own- debate. It all boils down to the reason why one purchase a homage/replica/fake or creates a mod.

If one buy a Pam homage only and no other reason just to get attention, and one want everyone to believe that HEY LOOK AT MY WRIST I GOT A PAM I'M LOADED... But in fact can only afford a $80-$200 homage/replica/fake - it's stupid and childish in my book.

But if you like the readability and the functional look of a Rolex or Blancpain Diver but you can't/don't want to spend $10K on the watch go for it and mod your Seiko. It will be still a great Seiko with the added features of a superior dial and hand design. In fact you can be proud that you modded you Seiko to be more superior than the standard ones..This is perfectly acceptable as it don't want to be a Rolex or Blancpain just a functionally better watch.

I had 2 modded Seiko's in the past loved them, I did considered them as homages even they were mods, and only flipped them when I bought my first non COSC Submariner. To me it's acceptable and interesting to see watch mods even really cheap ones as they show a really interesting diversity. But what's the point to buy a homage what is 99.9% looks the same of it's original counterpart?

Again: Fake watches are for fake people.

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m4r10

You realize you just called a few regulars on this forum fake people, including the OP, towards whom you were so "helpful", even though you didn't bother to read his entire post (asking whether it's a hand-wind or automatic).

Also, I saw it took you three attempts before realizing shouting doesn't make it right (your last edit of the post).

Anyway, enough about this. OP, let us know if you manage to resurrect your watch.

Eoin

fishguy, out of interest - what do you think about the homages that the likes of Steinhart make?

fishguy

Nice. So I should be scared and behave myself as some of the regulars or the mods buys homage watches...real democracy so if you not one of us you are against us, right? I don`t really care what they buy and what they wear as everyone spend their hard earned money whatever they wish, but I have a strong opinion about fake watches in general, so I shared it. And I couldn`t care less if someone thinks different how as everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is an open forum.

I write my own opinion about anything and everything here. I think that homage/replica/fake watches are bad. In fact very bad as they are hurting the reputation of the genuine product...

In post 8. in my first reply I gave response to the OP`s original question but in post 9. another member dragged the whole issue away, not me..I was just responding to post 9. all in my following post.

Oh and also I us Caps to highlight an important section of my response, where aver I feel necessary.

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fishguy

That is a very controversial topic I think. I would consider them as full on Sub homages, but more so because of the bezel ring than than the dial and the hands. many manufacturer are copying the original Sub looks.

Steinhart, Sandoz, even Doxa. and to be honest at least they should try to look a bit different, like using different colors on the dials or using a similar looking case with different hands (actually Doxa used a bit different bezel design). Still they can say that their watches are the original/vintage milsub style divers with mercedes hands and black dial and just happen to look exactly the same as a Rolex Submariner...

The Rolex Sub is the most copied watch in the history of watches as far as I know, this might be proof of the useability and a proven design on the other hand and since it`s current form is a result of a longer evolution they can`t really say that hey we designed this and this the firs time. There were a number of similarly looking divers since the very begging of the history of the Submariners. Most of the branded Sub homages are actually functional diver watches. Most of it not all...

Panerai on the other hand look very distinctively since the very beginning, and the attempts to duplicate their watches are only recent. And all these attempts are aiming for the looks and not the function. You just can`t say that they are creating a functional diver watch and they `borrowed` the proven and functional design..No they just stole the design and mass-produce substandard copies/fakes. And that is why it`s bad.

If you want you can justify a Steinhart or some other branded Sub homage as they are consistently proper quality pieces.

g.

AGAIN THIS IS MY OPINION AND YOU DON`T NEED TO AGREE WITH IT!!! I DON`T CARE IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT I WILL STILL SHARE IT AS THIS IS AN OPEN FORUM!!!

m4r10

post 8

fishguy wrote: »

Don`t get me wrong I don`t want to be sarcastic, but generally speaking you get what you pay for...

fishguy wrote: »

In post 8. in my first reply I gave response to the OP`s original question

How is the above of any interest to the OP? Regarding dragging posts, if you feel so strongly about said watches, why don't you open a new thread and vent your frustration there? Why spoil the OP's thread?

PS. I won't answer any of your posts here, but I'll contribute happily in the new thread if you care to open one.

fishguy

Well done!!! You quoted the most relevent part of post 8.

Op`s original question:

Do you guys think I should return it, or is it something simple to fix?

My reply (post 8.)

Return the watch if you have a valid warranty but I`m not sure what cover would be provided for a homage...

Your reply on my post (9.)

Are you saying a €50 Casio or Seiko are to be expected to break down in 2-3 weeks after purchase just because they're cheap? Or is it just because it's a homage/replica/fake (take your pick) and the OP can't afford a more expensive watch? '

You are starting your post ARE YOU SAYING... - than now you are complaining that I actually take the time to share my points and explaining what and why am I saying....

Think about it!!!

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fishguy

Sorry Eoin, You actually asked that what my views are about Steinhart watches and not how can one be justified.

So I think Steinhart watches are very functional work watches apart the fact that they are Rolex Sub homages. They got decent movement, decent water resistance for diving. I would have no problem owning one, if I would be a diver and I wouldn`t or could afford a Rolex Sub, also they are perfect as a starting point if you are saving up for a Sub but you want the same(ish) features in the mean time.

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Eoin

fishguy wrote: »

Sorry Eoin, You actually asked that what my views are about Steinhart watches and not how can one be justified.

So I think Steinhart watches are very functional work watches apart the fact that they are Rolex Sub homages. They got decent movement, decent water resistance for diving. I would have no problem owning one, if I would be a diver and I wouldn`t or could afford a Rolex Sub, also they are perfect as a starting point if you are saving up for a Sub but you want the same(ish) features in the mean time.

g.

Well, I was as interested to see if you thought they fitted into the same category as a Getat or Alpha homage, given that a lot of their designs are pretty close to replicas of Rolex models.

I don't have the time to check, but I think the OVM model that I own even has the incorrect pressure rating on the face just to make it more like the Rolex model it's very heavily based on.

I could save for a Rolex sub, which would cost easily 10 times the same price. But unlike other homage brands, I don't think that represent the same multiple in quality. In contast, an original Omega Seamaster is also about 10 times the price of the Alpha homage, and I do think that you're getting closer to a realistic quality/price ratio there. Sorry for the clumsy phrasing.

fishguy

Incorrect pressure resistance indication???

What`s the point of that, well besides that the manufacturer is lying to the customer and the customer is voluntary or involuntary fooled.

If it`s a functional diver watch I say no problem, if it`s a full one copy than it`s worthless.

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m4r10

Eoin wrote: »

I could save for a Rolex sub, which would cost easily 10 times the same price. But unlike other homage brands, I don't think that represent the same multiple in quality. In contast, an original Omega Seamaster is also about 10 times the price of the Alpha homage, and I do think that you're getting closer to a realistic quality/price ratio there. Sorry for the clumsy phrasing.

I think you hit the nail on the head there, you can get a Steinhart OVM just as functional in every way (BTY, the writing on the dial is correct, the watch is 200m rated) as a watch worth 10 times more. I'm not saying the Rolex is not worth the money, but most people who buy one do so just for the perceived image attached to it. Also, when was the last time you saw somebody diving with a rolex, so all this blurb about WR in expensive watches compared with the rest is not really relevant.

Eoin

fishguy wrote:

What`s the point of that, well besides that the manufacturer is lying to the customer and the customer is voluntary or involuntary fooled.

In fact, it has a greater rating than it's saying on the dial, so while it's "lying", it's not quite doing so in the same you're probably thinking. From this page:

The 660ft = 200m is what the dial of the 5517 read…but here’s the thing, the OVM is a 300m watch, as it clearly says on the back of the case.

But anyway, I think I'm just saying that there are different levels of homage out there. Some are absolutely excellent value for money, and represent very good value compared to the cost of what it's based on. Some are pretty poor and there's a good reason why it only costs a fraction of the real deal.

But what they often share in common is that the designs don't really have an identity of their own. My OVM doesn't say Rolex, but is trying to look like one. A Getat doesn't have Panerai on it, but is trying to look like one.

As an aside - I might be showing my ignorance here, but would seeing "Panerai" on a watch (let alone a watch that just looks like one without fake branding on it) really mean anything to most people?

Menas

This link may help....or not. Saga of another getat client who had some trouble with returning one of these.

http://bdwf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71026

fishguy

Sorry but I don't think Eoin quite hit the nail there. A Steinhart automatic diver with 300m (pressure tested) depth rating, and with a Swiss made ETA 2824/2 movement is a decent diver watch, but make no mistake it's nowhere as good as a Rolex. I'm fairly sure that you can find 15-20 reviews of 'stress-testing' a Rolex Sub. They are pretty much indestructible, specially the older non sapphire models...

Who wears a Rolex for diving??? Well I guess possibly every Rolex owner who dives. I'm not diving, but I had a few Rolex before, a 5 week old GMT Master is my current EDC at the moment. I work, swim, sleep, do gardening, cut wood, fix the car, walk the dog, cut trees, climb mountains, virtually anything in my Rolex. That's just a watch too and in fact on of the best built watches ever made. Never had a problem with any of my Rolexes before, and god knows I tried really hard to trash them...

I'm not saying that anything less than a Rolex is junk, I could not be further from it, in fact I have a cheap Vostok in my rotation and I love it, but also it's silly to say that a Steinhart is just as functional in every way than a Submariner. I would expect it to work as good as a Submariner within normal circumstances but I'm 100% sure it wouldn't handle all the beating a Sub can possibly withstand with flying colors. A Rolex stands out from the crowd not when everything is optimal, but when the problems starting with any other watch.

I never checked the Steinhart website before, but I gave a look and they are definitely not in the average replica price range... 300-500 quid for a watch is nowhere cheap, and damn sure I would expect quality, performance and top notch customer service for it, it's a real pity that some of their watches are exact copies of various Rolex/Bell & Ross models.

It would be interesting to ask one of the big-heads at Steinhart what way they look at their watches. I'm fairly sure they would tell me how good quality they are, but mostly they lack the innovation...

http://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/Ocean-vintage-GMT,339.html - That's neat watch but I'm sad that they stole that iconic design too. Anyway if I ever will after a Steinhart this would be my first choice.

The above is my own opinion,

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Deep Thought

well...

I have owned a couple of Getat...and to be honest, I dont feel its worth your while sending it back, its too much hassle and you cant guarantee it will arrive.

To the other issue regarding homage etc...

There is obviously two sides to all this, there is a distinct different between a fake, i.e purporting to be something it ain't and a homage that is a real independent watch, e.g Steinhart that bears a resemblance to a luxury watch eg, Rolex Sub and say the ocean 44.

If you look at the Steinhart Triton...dont see any others making something similar

But then...if for example Rolex produced the first diver watch, does that make every other diver like an Omega a Homage ?

DT - Homage and luxury watch owner

fishguy

Big thumbs up DT!!!

This is what I said before, if you buy (or mod) a proper made diver what has the looks of a Sub or a 50Fath or any iconic diver, you have a completely useable watch. On the other hand if you buy a watch what has nothing else just the look, and the only purpose to show off, but in the mean time is mechanically inferior to anything that you would normally wear...that's just pure stupidity.

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Eoin

fishguy wrote: »

Sorry but I don't think Eoin quite hit the nail there. A Steinhart automatic diver with 300m (pressure tested) depth rating, and with a Swiss made ETA 2824/2 movement is a decent diver watch, but make no mistake it's nowhere as good as a Rolex.

I'm not explaining myself too well - I'm sure it's not as good as a Rolex. However, I do think it represents far better value than the 8% or so of the Rolex's price that it costs. I'm not going to go diving with my watch, fly a plane with an aviator watch etc - so the massive increase in price just doesn't make sense for me.

Personally, I'd like to see Steinhart develop more of their own style - maybe they'll be a bit braver as their popularity increases. But either way, they are excellent value for money, considering that they're only a little bit more expensive than a lot of disposable fashion watches.

The idea that all homages are crap and for showing off just isn't true. Some are very good quality timepieces in their own right.

If one buy a Pam homage only and no other reason just to get attention, and one want everyone to believe that HEY LOOK AT MY WRIST I GOT A PAM I'M LOADED... But in fact can only afford a $80-$200 homage/replica/fake - it's stupid and childish in my book.

As I said earlier - I'd be shocked if a Panerai watch meant anything to the average Joe on the street, let alone a homage that's not even branded as such. Same goes for an IWC, JLC, A Lange and Sohne etc. I'd say you'd get more kudos (in Ireland anyway) with a bog standard quartz Tag.

HDMI

Topic has totally drifted away from the op question and now it would appear that he has to defend his choice of owning a watch that looks like a Panerai.

Owners of Rolex watches are very quick to jump at the first sign of anything that remotely looks similar to a sub, but depending on where you get your information you could end up believing that the original sub was just a copy itself. Fifty Fathoms came out in 1953 and the Sub appeared a little later but you will never see a Rolex owner concede that their watch was just a copy.

A couple of years back I picked up a Chinese branded watch called Perpetual and I displayed it on a watch forum and guess what, first comment was from a Rolex owner who ripped me a new one. He honestly believed that Rolex owned the name Perpetual and that I was wearing a Chinese fake. But I was worse and I let him shame me and I never wore the watch and sold it within a week.




Deep Thought showed his IWC Aquatimer in the "show your watches" thread and my jaw dropped because my finances don't go that high I had never really paid attention to that model so I knew nothing about it.



Here is my most recent purchase which arrived a few weeks ago, handset is identical and chances it resembles some other watches also, time to hang my head in shame, guess I bought just another copy.



Chances are every watch on the market has something in common with another, in the early days when pocket watches were being used they were all homages to the original but no one ever moaned about it but now we never hear the end of it. Unless it's fake with the brand name on it just let it go and let the owner enjoy his watch, some of us don't have the luxury or owning the so called real thing.

m4r10

HDMI wrote: »

Owners of Rolex watches are very quick to jump at the first sign of anything that remotely looks similar to a sub, but depending on where you get your information you could end up believing that the original sub was just a copy itself. Fifty Fathoms came out in 1953 and the Sub appeared a little later but you will never see a Rolex owner concede that their watch was just a copy.

In the light of the new information above, I declare that any owner of a rolex sub is a FAKE PERSON and their watch is FAKE as well!!!

fishguy

`Owners of Rolex watches are very quick to jump at the first sign of anything that remotely looks similar to a sub, but depending on where you get your information you could end up believing that the original sub was just a copy itself. Fifty Fathoms came out in 1953 and the Sub appeared a little later but you will never see a Rolex owner concede that their watch was just a copy`

Not true at all

The first Blancpain Fifty Fathoms came out in 1953.

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The first Rolex prototype Submariner (Reference 6204) was worn by Jcques-Yves Cousteau in the same year.

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The two watches while sharing some of the looks (prominent bezel, black dial, steel case) were very different watches. The Rolex dial had straight batons versus the Blancpain`s triangle or diamond shaped indexes. No numbers are on the Rolex dial. The crystal was bigger while the bezel was thinner on the Rolex. The hands on the Blancpin were lumed and painted to white, the Rolex hands were lumed but kept silver. The Rolex only came on metal bracelet, while the Blancpain originally came on a canvas strap. From 1956 Rolex started to use the Mercedes style hands too.

I don`t think the Rolex Sub is a copy of the Fifty Fathoms as they don`t even look like each other...

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HDMI

fishguy wrote: »

The two watches while sharing some of the looks (prominent bezel, black dial, steel case) were very different watches.

Black dial, prominent bezel, steel case...sounds like a Rolex or maybe a Blancpain. Like I said depends who you ask, the Blancpain owner is quite happy with his watch but the Rolex guy is always threatened as if it's a hit on his ego.

Check out any Rolex forum, the amount times the subject of "did we come first" threads is unreal. Really it's not that important, a homage in no way devalues the "real thing" in fact it's the opposite and should be seen as praise. Panerai as far as I can remember have only chased one small business for copying their watches and I guess they have given up. Now if only the fanboys can do the same and let us just enjoy our watches and stop looking down their noses.

Just to be clear I do not in any way endorse fake or replica watches and have had my fair share of arguments over modding Seiko's with fake parts with the Seiko name on them made in the Philippines . Nothing worse than seeing a classic 6309 or a 6105 with a nasty fake dial that has never seen the inside of any Seiko factory, I would rather see an original if it needs work get a redial.

fishguy

I don't think Rolex owners are threatened that their watch could seen as a 60 year old copy...

It's not about distant look alike's but rather than substandard copies. And I do think that is hurting the original brand, in sales and in reputation as well.

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Kintarō Hattori

Seeing as how we've gone all off topic on the poor OP I have a very important question...................... how on earth do you actually pronounce Getat? A search on Google reveals nothing while the videos on YouTube mention nothing. Is it Ge-tat or Get-at?

I must know this as I'd like to say 'Oh it's a Getat', rather than saying it's a Chinese watch when asked about the strapping hunk of horological instrumentation strapped to my wrist.

fishguy

N1!

I have to admit this was quite funny..

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Eoin

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Seeing as how we've gone all off topic on the poor OP I have a very important question...................... how on earth do you actually pronounce Getat? A search on Google reveals nothing while the videos on YouTube mention nothing. Is it Ge-tat or Get-at?

I must know this as I'd like to say 'Oh it's a Getat', rather than saying it's a Chinese watch when asked about the strapping hunk of horological instrumentation strapped to my wrist.

It's pronounced "Panerai". Just to stir it up a little.