History of Kinsealy/Drynam

rxan90

Hi all, I am curious to know a bit about my home estate of Kinsealy or Drynam as it should really be called :rolleyes:. I am most interested in an old large house that was in the area, Drynam/Drinan House depending on spelling. Apparently, from the archaeological website of Ireland, it dated from the reign of Charles I, was owned by a family called Russell-Cruise, the head of which was a magistrate (1901/1911 census).
Looking at the historical OSI maps on the website, the house was located where Kinsealy Court is now; Aspen Park to be specific. I would like to know if anyone knows anything more - I cannot find a photo online of this house anywhere nor do I know how long it stayed standing until (the archaeology site says a sheela na gig was removed from the gate in the 1940s so perhaps then?).

Secondly, and tying in with the above, I am wondering if anyone knows or remembers when exactly these two modern estates - Kinsealy Court and Melrose Park were built. In another thread about the Kinsealy Inn, they say 1986, is this correct? And if no one knows, would Fingal Co Council know and be able to possibly help. Many thanks in advance if anyone can help!

magicherbs

Kinsealy (synonymous with Kinsaley), as most purists would lead you to believe, is the area around St Nicolas of Myra church and national school, where the petrol station is, where Charles Haughey's old house is etc.

People seem to describe the area from the Malahide road to the quarry as 'Feltrim'. (basically the houses along the feltirm road)

From a census point of view, the town where Melrose Park and Kinsealy Court/Downs are is called Kinsealy-Drinan. I don't think this should ever be called Drynam, and am quite certain it's just a mispronunciation of drinan. I would certainly consider Drynam to be the area after the Mountgorry roundabout towards the big roundabout (e.g. up to foxwood etc.).

Melrose Park and Kinsealy court estates were being build in early 1985, some people had moved in prior to the pub being complete in 1986. Before the estates were built it was just fields.

I don't know what Drinan house is. Can you tell me where it is/was?

Anyway, i think the confusion stems from two places. Firstly, people in general, particularly Ireland, have a fanatical desire to label pieces of geography. How places get their name is largely arbitary and largely dynamic. Secondly, there isn't actually much control over these naming conventions. You can't dispute the postal districts or the census distrists of the consitutency districts once they are made but they do change. Sorry that doesn't make much sense, but if the county council decided kinsealy court was dublin 25 tomorrow you would be erroneous in writing dublin 23 as your address, however, the cc could change that boundry at any time.

rxan90

Drinan House was a large house built in the reign of Charles I (1625-1649). It was owned by the Russell-Cruises (the head of the family was even a Magistrate, probably in Swords, according to the 1901 census). It stood where Kinsealy Court is now. It might have been knocked down in the 1940s, since the archaeological website of Ireland said they found Sheila na Gig figures on the gate then.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,719892,745609,7,9 - You can see it here, and compare it to now. It was on where Aspen Park is right now.

Allyall

Here is a rough outline of where Drinan house stood.
At the sharp point on Kinsealy Court, the four sided area that slightly overlaps it.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=53.4467107&lon=-6.1905168&z=16&l=0&m=b

rccaulfield

1986 is correct, we moved in to melrose park late that year iirc, we were one of the first houses finished in melsore park!

GlennaMaddy

magicherbs wrote: »

Kinsealy (synonymous with Kinsaley), as most purists would lead you to believe, is the area around St Nicolas of Myra church and national school, where the petrol station is, where Charles Haughey's old house is etc.

People seem to describe the area from the Malahide road to the quarry as 'Feltrim'. (basically the houses along the feltirm road)

From a census point of view, the town where Melrose Park and Kinsealy Court/Downs are is called Kinsealy-Drinan. I don't think this should ever be called Drynam, and am quite certain it's just a mispronunciation of drinan. I would certainly consider Drynam to be the area after the Mountgorry roundabout towards the big roundabout (e.g. up to foxwood etc.).

Melrose Park and Kinsealy court estates were being build in early 1985, some people had moved in prior to the pub being complete in 1986. Before the estates were built it was just fields.

I don't know what Drinan house is. Can you tell me where it is/was?

Anyway, i think the confusion stems from two places. Firstly, people in general, particularly Ireland, have a fanatical desire to label pieces of geography. How places get their name is largely arbitary and largely dynamic. Secondly, there isn't actually much control over these naming conventions. You can't dispute the postal districts or the census distrists of the consitutency districts once they are made but they do change. Sorry that doesn't make much sense, but if the county council decided kinsealy court was dublin 25 tomorrow you would be erroneous in writing dublin 23 as your address, however, the cc could change that boundry at any time.

I'm from Feltrim and would agree with you.
oDrinan/Drynam house, demolished to make way for Melrose Park. I have pics somewhere.
There's a stone carving on the wall inside St Sylvesters Church in Malahide dedicated to the Russel-Cruises

Allyall

I'm not doubting anyone.. The pics on the map put Drinan house exactle where the "+" is on this link

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=53.4454327&lon=-6.1923836&z=16&l=0&m=b

Old yellow walls was once it's own Townland or Village, and the house appears once or twice on this site

http://oldyellowwalls.org/

Bordered by Drinan.
http://oldyellowwalls.org/the-townland-of-yellow-walls/

GlennaMaddy

I remember the house standing just to the right of the red dot on Melrose park at that wikimapia.

GlennaMaddy

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

I remember the house standing just to the right of the red dot on Melrose park at that wikimapia.

Just looking at the OSI Historic 6", I think my memory is of the farm buildings on Drinam House lands. There was a large house attached to the farm buildings which I thought was Drinam House but I guess the original Drinam house was demolished before my time ;40yrs ago. As a kid, I was told that one of the Russell Cruises lived in the house that I remember.

Allyall

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

I remember the house standing just to the right of the red dot on Melrose park at that wikimapia.

It would make more sense it being there, Drynam side etc.. Any pics of the house? I keep getting Malahide heritage and a couple of Swords sites, even the Airport when i look..

magicherbs

interesting

4 spinster women lived there in 1911, all born in bruges, belgium#

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Kinsaley/Drinan/2668/ the source of Kettle's lane eponymous name?

Allyall

^^^
That must be who Kettle's lane is named after.
i didn't read that post properly..

Also Russel-Cruises lived in house 11

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Kinsaley/Drinan/2713/

Gabrielle only aged 3 years since 1901 :eek:
Also a few others aged the same... weird.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Kinsealy/Drinam/1266191/

rxan90

http://www.fingal-independent.ie/lifestyle/when-the-wilson-home-dominated-drynam-662571.html

Interesting article about this area. Bear in mind, there was a concentration of buildings close to where the Kinsealy Inn is now, which might be what people remember. The man in that article was born in the lodge to Drynam House. I really wish there were pictures of it!

GlennaMaddy

rxan90 wrote: »

there was a concentration of buildings close to where the Kinsealy Inn is now, which might be what people remember.

Yep, I think it's those buildings I remember, one of the buildings was a fine two story house, which is why I thought it was Drynam House. It was known locally as 'Linda's House' but I've no idea of Linda's surname.

Drynam house could be accessed from three different roads, the first is at Drynam Bridge -shoutern end of Kinsealy Court, where a gate lodge still exists, a road ran parallel to the river (downstream) and before turning for the house, this road dissappeared before my time. The second road was from the Swords- Malahide road, this road still exists. The last road disappeared when the Feltrim road was realigned, probably 5 years before work began on Kinsealy Court, the road ran roughly between Scoil an Duinningh and the Enterprise Center.

dylbert

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

Drynam house could be accessed from three different roads, the first is at Drynam Bridge -shoutern end of Kinsealy Court, where a gate lodge still exists,

Is this it?
https://maps.google.ie/?ll=53.444462,-6.196709&spn=0.000467,0.001206&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=53.444529,-6.196833&panoid=wydZD8SnM-A-VyZH2DR3DA&cbp=12,8.28,,0,2.13

dylbert

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

Drynam house could be accessed from three different roads, the first is at Drynam Bridge -shoutern end of Kinsealy Court, where a gate lodge still exists,

Is this it?
https://maps.google.ie/?ll=53.444462,-6.196709&spn=0.000467,0.001206&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=53.444529,-6.196833&panoid=wydZD8SnM-A-VyZH2DR3DA&cbp=12,8.28,,0,2.13

I often wonder why this building just down the road was left?

GlennaMaddy

dylbert wrote: »

Is this it?
https://maps.google.ie/?ll=53.444462,-6.196709&spn=0.000467,0.001206&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=53.444529,-6.196833&panoid=wydZD8SnM-A-VyZH2DR3DA&cbp=12,8.28,,0,2.13

that`s where it W A S!

Alan Farrell

Hi there. Drynam House was located between number 1 & 2 Aspen Park while there was a gate lodge for the house at 42 Ashdale Road. Both structures appear quiet large on the historic OSI maps, online http://http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,719839,745569,7,9 (if you use the "overlay" option in the bottom right corner, you can overlay a modern map to see what I mean) If that doesn't work, try this link http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer

The oldest map on the osi website lists it as Drynam House while every subsequent map lists it as Drinan House. This is probably why the spelling anomalies exist.

Perhaps this is how the Kinsealy/Kinsaley variant started?

Alan Farrell

dylbert wrote: »

Is this it?
https://maps.google.ie/?ll=53.444462,-6.196709&spn=0.000467,0.001206&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=53.444529,-6.196833&panoid=wydZD8SnM-A-VyZH2DR3DA&cbp=12,8.28,,0,2.13

I often wonder why this building just down the road was left?

Nothing on the osi maps for this house, its relatively modern.

Cardinal Richelieu

Alan Farrell wrote: »

The oldest map on the osi website lists it as Drynam House while every subsequent map lists it as Drinan House. This is probably why the spelling anomalies exist.

In earlier texts it is known as Drynham, Swords.

The house in question was built in 1627, I can't find an image as yet.

The Russell side of the family served in King James Army and also had a Catholic Archbishop of Dublin and MP. They were the lords of Seatown Castle and married into the Naul based Cruise family.
Link

The farm was actually the source of a Foot and Mouth outbreak in Ireland in 1912 that led to the slaughtering of the farm's cattle and prosecution of the farm cattleman.

dylbert

Alan Farrell wrote: »

Nothing on the osi maps for this house, its relatively modern.

It's shown on the 25 inch map so it is pre 1913 and could be as old as mid 1800's.

GlennaMaddy

Just learned that Tom Cruise descends from the Russell-Cruises of Naul and Drynam

rxan90

GlennaMaddy wrote: »

Just learned that Tom Cruise descends from the Russell-Cruises of Naul and Drynam

I thought he might actually

Dubvin14

I understand that a family by the name of Stewart lived at Drynam House after the Cruise-Russel family but before the Wilson family. Does anyone know of this Stewart family? I am interested as my family is related to a Stewart family that lived at Swords who were related to the MP, John Hatch. This family was also later related through marriage to the Dawson family of Kinsealy. Any help would be much appreciated.

Darkhorse1909

'Melrose Park and Kinsealy court estates were being build in early 1985, some people had moved in prior to the pub being complete in 1986. Before the estates were built it was just fields. '

I agree, I moved into Ashdale Road in Kinsealy Court in February 1985.