The end of watch

Tallon

Couldn't find a thread, hope there's none

Did anyone watch this?

It was really good, then the ending was crap, and made no sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2K9GzgiF0

RobertFoster

I enjoyed it too. Some good action and funny moments. The shaky cam was a bit off putting at times though.

What part of the ending didn't you get?

The guy with the family cops it while shielding the passed out lead.

endofrainbow

thought the camera work was most off-putting...

Tallon

RobertFoster wrote: »

What part of the ending didn't you get?

The guy with the family cops it while shielding the passed out lead.

Yeah, but how come after the funeral it cuts to 'The day of the shooting' and then he tells a story about being under his in-laws bed while they were having sex... it was completely irrelevant to the movie, or the story line!

And both of the lads god riddled with bullets, so I really don't see how Jake survived

Staplor

I liked it, but at the end I just wondered

why didn't they hop into the car and just drive off after they shot that guy? Instead they just ran up an alleyway with a load of angry doggies.

RobertFoster

Tallon wrote: »

**spoilers**

I think it was just a sort of

"Hey, remember how good buddies these guys were?" type of scene, ending on a higher note than the scene previous. When the caption came up I thought Taylor was going to tell Zavala that he'd look after his kids and wife if anything happened, reciprocating Zavala's promise earlier in the film.

As for the shooting, I suppose Zavala was shielding Taylor to an extent. He'd his back to the shooters, so his body and vest could've protected Taylor's head... Movie physics

Staplor wrote: »

I liked it, but at the end I just wondered...

I thought that too!

Tallon

I thought that 3

Oink

So lads. Will I go see it or not? Is it worth it or does the end spoil the whole thing?


(thanks for hiding the spoilers btw).

saintsaltynuts

Thought it was very good.****/5

Oink

Cool, thanks. Haven't been to the movies in ages other than to see Argo, so I wouldn't mind some good old action movie.

adox

I loved it. Stayed with me for days afterwards.

johnny_ultimate

Have to admit it's disappointing to see how many people have downloaded this film illegally. Seems more pronounced than usual, TBH - there have been loads of people commenting on it before it's been released.

I fully acknowledge I'm outdated in my commitment to supporting cinema, but seeing the scale of the End of Watch leak is disheartening for a film receiving such positive viewer and critical feedback.

Tallon

Cinema is a rip off these days' €30 for me and the gf to go the other day.. And that was with no food or drink!

Either way, that, and downloading films is a different discussion altogether...

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

Cinema is a rip off these days' €30 for me and the gf to go the other day.. And that was with no food or drink!.

Where did you pay 15 euro a piece for a cinema ticket? I'm assuming it was done luxury screen you went to.

I went to see Argo on Tuesday and it cost me 4 euro. Heading to see The Master over the weekend and ill get change from 7 euro.


Regarding the downloading of the film, it's a sad reality that do many supposed film fans won't bother to go see a film that is considered one of the years best. Many of the same people will then be on here crying about the death of original cinema and how all we see are unoriginal, recycled ideas.

Tallon

Vue, and no, standard seats, Friday night

Also, as I said, piracy is another topic. Start a thread if you want to discuss it

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

Vue, and no, standard seats, Friday night

Also, as I said, piracy is another topic. Start a thread if you want to discuss it

Was it a 3D screening as I'm pretty sure that a ticket to a peak screening in Vue is 11:50 for an adult.

Tallon

Darko wrote: »

Was it a 3D screening as I'm pretty sure that a ticket to a peak screening in Vue is 11:50 for an adult.

Yes

It would be under a tender if I was down the country

johnny_ultimate

Don't want to get into the whole cinema prices war again - although if you're in county Dublin no reason to be paying that much: shop around! Just making a specific observation that End of Watch seems to be being pirated significantly more than your average title, and it's worth making the effort to get out and support films everyone seems to be quite positive about. In cinema screens tomorrow, anyway, will try and check it out during the week (tomorrow is reserved for Silver Linings Playbook... the streak of worthwhile new releases still isn't letting up).

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

Yes

It would be under a tender if I was down the country

I've been to a lot of cinemas in Dublin Nd never paid more than 10 euro. If you live in Dublin then you have only yourself to blame for being ripped off so.

Tallon

Darko wrote: »

I've been to a lot of cinemas in Dublin Nd never paid more than 10 euro. If you live in Dublin then you have only yourself to blame for being ripped off so.

Good for you, but no one asked you

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

Good for you, but no one asked you

If you don't want people to reply to you then don't bother posting. You came on here complaining about the cost of going to the cinema in a bid to offer some justification as to why people would pirate a film such as End of Watch. If you live anywhere near Dublin cinema then you really can't complain about cinema being a rip off given how many cinemas you have to choose from. If you regularly go to the givens the you really shows have an unlimited card. 20 euro a month for as many films as you want to see, easily the best value in the country.

Tallon

Darko wrote: »

If you don't want people to reply to you then don't bother posting. You came on here complaining about the cost of going to the cinema in a bid to offer some justification as to why people would pirate a film such as End of Watch. If you live anywhere near Dublin cinema then you really can't complain about cinema being a rip off given how many cinemas you have to choose from. If you regularly go to the givens the you really shows have an unlimited card. 20 euro a month for as many films as you want to see, easily the best value in the country.

I don't live in dublin

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

I don't live in dublin

I though that the only Vue cinema in Ireland was in Dublin.

Tallon

Darko wrote: »

I though that the only Vue cinema in Ireland was in Dublin.

And?

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

And?

Well if you paid 15 euro for a cinema ticket in Dublin then you can't really complain given that there's a number of cinema around the city that you can choose from.

And even if the only cinema around was charging 15 euro it still doesn't justify pirating a film. People will use any excuse to justify downloading a film illegally and it's a shame that a film such as End of Watch is going to suffer at the box office because of it. It's one of the years most interesting films given its unique shooting style and the fact that its been do well receives critically means that its a real shame so many supposed film fans will experience the film through a 700m download.

Tallon

But I'm nowhere near the city! Dublin city centre and county are two different things

Anyway, I wasn't using it as an excuse, was mearly pointing out that it is expensive to go to the cinema

I don't need to justify anything, especially to you.

Download of you want, don't if you don't, but saying its killing cinema is idiotic. It's not

The film still took tens of millions in the opening weekend!

And saying people won't make good movies because of lack of cinema participation is bs! If a good idea is out there, a film will be made

RobertFoster

Oink wrote: »

So lads. Will I go see it or not? Is it worth it or does the end spoil the whole thing?


(thanks for hiding the spoilers btw).

I don't think the ending spoiled it at all. Definitely worth seeing. If you do go, let us know what you think of the ending.

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Have to admit it's disappointing to see how many people have downloaded this film illegally. Seems more pronounced than usual, TBH - there have been loads of people commenting on it before it's been released.

I fully acknowledge I'm outdated in my commitment to supporting cinema, but seeing the scale of the End of Watch leak is disheartening for a film receiving such positive viewer and critical feedback.

I hope you don't think that just because I'm commenting on it means I pirated it. I saw it on the 13th in Cineworld. Sky had an advance screening. They even had Gyllenhaal do a 20 second pre-roll welcoming us to the movie, which was slightly odd.

johnny_ultimate

RobertFoster wrote: »

I hope you don't think that just because I'm commenting on it means I pirated it.

Not at all! I know there were a handful of preview screenings - think someone here was offering tickets to one at Liffey Valley too? - which I'm sure accounts for some of the pre-release discussion (and the publicity benefits of such screenings are quite high). But I'd be very surprised if the amount of people discussing the film over the last week all saw it during the small amount of legitimate screenings that have taken place. Alas, indicators suggest the film is 'in the wild'.

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

But I'm nowhere near the city! Dublin city centre and county are two different things

Anyway, I wasn't using it as an excuse, was mearly pointing out that it is expensive to go to the cinema

I don't need to justify anything, especially to you.

Download of you want, don't if you don't, but saying its killing cinema is idiotic. It's not

The film still took tens of millions in the opening weekend!

And saying people won't make good movies because of lack of cinema participation is bs! If a good idea is out there, a film will be made

If you don't need to justify downloading the film then why bring the price of a cinema trip into the discussion after a poster expresses an opinion on how its a shame that one of the years most interesting and well received films is bring pirated.

And piracy is having a major negative affect on cinema. To believe otherwise is ridicolous. Piracy means that the studios are afraid to take risks. It means that good ideas suffer as the studio would rather pump 100 million into a Twilight knock off than 15 million into an adult,story driven character piece. End of Watch has done quite well but it did not make tens of millions its opening weekend. I believe that in its two months on release in the US it hasn't broken 50 million. By no means a failure but certainly not a smash hit.

Piracy seriously hurts films like End of Watch and film makers such as David Ayers. While he has had a number of well received and successful films he is a film maker who had to mortgage his house in order to make his previous film Harsh Times.

Zardoz

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I fully acknowledge I'm outdated in my commitment to supporting cinema, but seeing the scale of the End of Watch leak is disheartening for a film receiving such positive viewer and critical feedback.

Its not technically a leak.
The film was officially released on DVD as a Region 5 release .
Region 5 consists of Eastern Europe (Former Soviet Union), Indian subcontinent, Africa, North Korea, and Mongolia.

In an effort to compete with movie piracy in these areas, the film industry chose to create a new format for DVD releases that could be produced more quickly and less expensively than traditional DVD releases.R5 releases differ from normal releases in that they often lack both the image post-processing and special features that are common on DVD releases. This allows the movie studios to beat the pirates to market

The major mistake the studio made was releasing the R5 with a 5.1 English soundtrack and delaying the release of the film outside the US.

Goldstein

Looking forward to going to this one soon but there wouldn't be problems like these if the studios could control their own content. In most if not all cases of pre-dvd/pre-blu-ray release leaks they have noone to blame but themselves. In any case End of Watch has already made almost 6 times its production budget ($40 million) in just the US so the negative consequences are being blown out of proportion a little.

I'm sick of waiting weeks/months longer than the US to get cinematic releases here - simultaneous or near-simultaneous worldwide releases for all films should be the norm, tough $hit otherwise. I'm actually glad every time a delayed movie gets leaked because it's the only way they'll learn.

lukin

Tallon wrote: »

And both of the lads god riddled with bullets, so I really don't see how Jake survived

Yes I thought that was ridiculous.

Even though De La Pena's character was the one the Hispanics shot at, they were so close to him that the bullets would surely have passed through his body and hit Jake Gyllenhaal's character too (who had already been shot).

Zardoz

Zardoz wrote: »

Its not technically a leak.
The film was officially released on DVD as a Region 5 release .
Region 5 consists of Eastern Europe (Former Soviet Union), Indian subcontinent, Africa, North Korea, and Mongolia.

The major mistake the studio made was releasing the R5 with a 5.1 English soundtrack and delaying the release of the film outside the US.

R5 usually don't come with an Enhlish audio track, friend if mine came back from Russia a few years back with hundreds of them and only about a tenth had Emglish audio. Poor gir was annoyed as hell though we did warm him.

Goldstein wrote: »

Looking forward to going to this one soon but there wouldn't be problems like these if the studios could control their own content. In most if not all cases of pre-dvd/pre-blu-ray release leaks they have noone to blame but themselves. In any case End of Watch has already made almost 6 times its production budget ($40 million) in just the US so the negative consequences are being blown out of proportion a little.

I'm sick of waiting weeks/months longer than the US to get cinematic releases here - simultaneous or near-simultaneous worldwide releases for all films should be the norm, tough $hit otherwise. I'm actually glad every time a delayed movie gets leaked because it's the only way they'll learn.

It may have made 6 times its production budget but I doubt that I clouded the marketing which could be anywhere from 5-15 million. Makes that 40 million look like a lot less of a hit. Most films these days get simultaneous releases or else there's a week or two between them, hell we often get films before the US. Killing Them Softly was releases here two months or so before our neighbours across the pond got it.

The only big films that have big delays between the US and Europe are Disney and Pixar films. The reason for End of Watch's delay is that its a pretty small film and as such to save on costs the studio are going to reuse the same prints across the world that they used in America. The cost of a simultaneous world wide release is massive, financially it makes no sense for a studio to so it for anything that isn't a 150 million plus production. It just isn't cost effective for them.

Tallon

Ted was delayed two months here...

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

Ted was delayed two months here...

As I said, films with production budgets of over 150 million generally get simultaneous releases. Ted cost about 50 million and while the delay was odd for a film so heavily publicised it wasn't unexpected given that Mcafarlane was an untested director and the cast hardly guaranteed box office returns.

Tallon

Deleted User wrote: »

As I said, films with production budgets of over 150 million generally get simultaneous releases. Ted cost about 50 million and while the delay was odd for a film so heavily publicised it wasn't unexpected given that Mcafarlane was an untested director and the cast hardly guaranteed box office returns.

Are you being serious?

Mark Wahlberg
Mila Kunis
Patrick Stewart
Norah Jones
Giovanni Ribisi

And a talking, cursing teddy bear!

Could have had the same story as Fatal Deviation, and it still would have return massive ammounts...

Tallon

Tallon wrote: »

Are you being serious?

Mark Wahlberg
Mila Kunis
Patrick Stewart
Norah Jones
Giovanni Ribisi

And a talking, cursing teddy bear!

Could have had the same story as Fatal Deviation, and it still would have return massive ammounts...

Ribisi couldn't open a film wide if his life depended on it, seriously he's a great actor but his name does not guarantee profit. Same goes for Stewart who was largely a sent from all the advertisements. Seriously Norah Jones, I doubt any more than a handful of people went to see the film for her and no studio in the world would think that Jones equals profit. Kunis and Wahlberg are pretty big stars but they're a long way from Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt when it comes to box office returns.

Ted was an R rated comedy released in the summer months and as such was seen as something of a risk. Had it been PG-13 then the risk would have been a lot less but based on the cast and the rating Ted was hardly seen as guaranteed box office gold

Zardoz

Deleted User wrote: »

The only big films that have big delays between the US and Europe are Disney and Pixar films.

Incidentally Disney have a policy of no R5 releases,that probably helps the delay.

Goldstein

Cloud Atlas is another big one we'll be waiting 4 months for:
US: October 26 2012
Ireland: February 22 2013

Don't mean to hijack the thread with this stuff but that ship sailed a few pages back.

Goldstein

Goldstein wrote: »

Cloud Atlas is another big one we'll be waiting 4 months for:
US: October 26 2012
Ireland: February 22 2013

Don't mean to hijack the thread with this stuff but that ship sailed a few pages back.

The Cloud Atlas one is odd as its going to be on DVD and blu in the US a month before cinemas here. I actually know the son of one of the producers who himself get an associate producer credit on it and he has no idea why the delay. He was told some rights issues were holding it up but he thinks it was more a case that the producers were afraid it would fail in the US and wanted to postpone the European release so they could reuse the US prints as they are fairly confident the film will do big numbers everywhere out side the US.

corcaigh07

Goldstein wrote: »

Looking forward to going to this one soon but there wouldn't be problems like these if the studios could control their own content. In most if not all cases of pre-dvd/pre-blu-ray release leaks they have noone to blame but themselves. In any case End of Watch has already made almost 6 times its production budget ($40 million) in just the US so the negative consequences are being blown out of proportion a little.

I'm sick of waiting weeks/months longer than the US to get cinematic releases here - simultaneous or near-simultaneous worldwide releases for all films should be the norm, tough $hit otherwise. I'm actually glad every time a delayed movie gets leaked because it's the only way they'll learn.

Dead right, End of Watch is out on DVD and blu-ray over here in Canada, Im shocked that you are only getting it in the cinema now.

corcaigh07

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Dead right, End of Watch is out on DVD and blu-ray over here in Canada, Im shocked that you are only getting it in the cinema now.

Pretty sure that the Canadian DVD and Blue isn't available till the end of January next. If its out over there then its either a store exclusive or stock shipped early and someone broke the release date.

johnny_ultimate

To be fair, economic and practical constraints have to be considered when releasing a film internationally - universal release dates are to be encouraged where possible, but sometimes it's just not feasible (although digital duplication means that 'prints' are only a small part of the equation these days). A two month release gap between US and Ireland like End of Watch is pretty much the tail-end of acceptability, although this week is admittedly a solid one to release a film like it given there's no major competition this week or indeed next.

Nothing compared to something like Safety Not Guaranteed, though - over a six-month gap there, and the local distributors here have shot themselves in the foot with a charming, small film that really needs the support it can get.

Dave147

lukin wrote: »

Yes I thought that was ridiculous.

Even though De La Pena's character was the one the Hispanics shot at, they were so close to him that the bullets would surely have passed through his body and hit Jake Gyllenhaal's character too (who had already been shot).

As in Ivan de la Pena?

speedboatchase

Deleted User wrote: »

As I said, films with production budgets of over 150 million generally get simultaneous releases. Ted cost about 50 million and while the delay was odd for a film so heavily publicised it wasn't unexpected given that Mcafarlane was an untested director and the cast hardly guaranteed box office returns.

Lads, you're wrong here. Ted was delayed by one month, not two and it was delayed because its US release was during Euro 2012. No blockbusters were released during that tournament, the highest profile release being The Five-Year Engagement. This happens every two years in the summer, with some big releases such as Brave missing summer entirely.

As for Ted, it couldve been released two weeks after its US release, when the tournament was over, but then it wouldve been up against The Dark Knight Rises. Obviously Universal made the right choice.

By the way, sometimes the opposite is true. Skyfall and Battleship are just two example of huge budget films this summer that made it to Europe before the US.

corcaigh07

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty sure that the Canadian DVD and Blue isn't available till the end of January next. If its out over there then its either a store exclusive or stock shipped early and someone broke the release date.

Its being advertised on telly, thats all I was going by. Still far too late for this film to be out in Ireland.

anyway, sorry for contributing to the off topic topic! i havent seen this, any good? looks decent on the trailers.

corcaigh07

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Its being advertised on telly, thats all I was going by. Still far too late for this film to be out in Ireland.

anyway, sorry for contributing to the off topic topic! i havent seen this, any good? looks decent on the trailers.

It's well worth a watch, one of the more interesting films if the year. Sure it feels a little similiar to Ayer's previous work but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The Canadian home release is the end of January, the 23 I think though I may be mistaken.

DrumSteve

I seen this over here a while back, must admit I realky enjoyed this film. Also the ending makes perfect sense when you figure out what the title means. (That a spoiler btw in case anyone plans on checking it out).

promethius

talk about dragging a thread off topic

anyways the film, i really enjoyed it. the chemistry between the two lads was a joy to share.

the ending was genuinely sad if i'm honest since i was really rooting for the guys but fearing the worst.

i'd agree with an earlier post about the final scene in the cruiser being a means to end on a relative high.

i didn't know a thing about this film going into it, no trailer, no idea what the plot was or who was even in it. i think there's too much plot and character info in the build up to things these days.

repsol

I really enjoyed this movie.Went to see it in Swords.I thought the ending was great.On the issue of illegal downloading,leaving aside the right or wrong aspect for a moment there is one thing about downloading which I cannot understand.I have mates who are always buying the latest 3D plasma dolby surround sound 6 million hertz dogs bollox TV.They then proceed to watch poor quality shaky downloads with crap sound on their new system! Its a bit like buying a Ferrari and trying to run it on washed diesel!One of them spent 250,000 on extending his house(which he paid 600k for).He bought 3 expensive plasmas and then connects the lot to a dodgybox because he is too tight to pay for SKY!I don't have any moral axe to grind with downloaders,I just think it is a waste of the technology which is commonplace in most peoples homes:)

johnny_ultimate

Quick mod note: Since it's kind of my fault this thread got sidetracked, I feel a bit cheeky requesting this, but let's keep the thread focused on discussion of the film itself from here on out, much like the two posts above. If anyone wants the release date discussion moved elsewhere, let us know by report or PM and we can move them to a new thread