€1000 Gaming PC

JerCotter7

Item|Price
Cooler Master Storm Trooper, ohne Netzteil|€127.69
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 650W|€70.59
16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance schwarz PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24|€76.37
Intel Core i7-3770 Box, LGA1155|€270.35
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€130.19
Powercolor PCS+ HD7870 2GB GDDR5|€210.81
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€129.14
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1034.13

Never put a pc together before. Taken them apart and put them back together without destroying too much but that's about it. Want to build a good gaming PC around Christmas and going to spend about €1000 on it. Would like it to be highly upgradable. Main game I would play on it would be PlanetSide2 probably. But I would like to run new games on the highest setting I can.

Also is that GPU the best for that price range? I would rather nVidia personally.

What would that spec be able to run Battlefield 3 at?

Any suggestions are welcome.

ETA: Would appreciate monitor suggestions too but no hurry to buy one.

Gbear

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Item|Price
Cooler Master Storm Trooper, ohne Netzteil|€127.69
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 650W|€70.59
16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance schwarz PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24|€76.37
Intel Core i7-3770 Box, LGA1155|€270.35
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€130.19
Powercolor PCS+ HD7870 2GB GDDR5|€210.81
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€129.14
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1034.13

Never put a pc together before. Taken them apart and put them back together without destroying too much but that's about it. Want to build a good gaming PC around Christmas and going to spend about €1000 on it. Would like it to be highly upgradable. Main game I would play on it would be PlanetSide2 probably. But I would like to run new games on the highest setting I can.

Also is that GPU the best for that price range? I would rather nVidia personally.

What would that spec be able to run Battlefield 3 at?

Any suggestions are welcome.

ETA: Would appreciate monitor suggestions too but no hurry to buy one.

I would think drop the i7 for an i5 (3570k) because there's no real benefit for gaming and swap in either a 128GB SSD (Samsung 830 perhaps) or get a better graphics card - a HD7950 or a gtx 660ti or even a 670.

JerCotter7

Gbear wrote: »

I would think drop the i7 for an i5 (3570k) because there's no real benefit for gaming and swap in either a 128GB SSD (Samsung 830 perhaps) or get a better graphics card - a HD7950 or a gtx 660ti or even a 670.

I changed the CPU but what purpose does an i7 have so?

I also had a 128GB SSD but changed for a bigger HDD since I would have other things on it besides games so 128GB is too small for me personally.

Item|Price
Cooler Master Storm Trooper, ohne Netzteil|€127.69
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 650W|€70.59
16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance schwarz PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24|€76.37
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€130.19
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€129.14
PoV-TGT GeForce GTX 670 2048 PerformanceBoost DualFan|€376.34
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€209.08
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1138.39

Tij da feen

The i7 has no benefits for gaming over the i5. It has benefits for other applications such as video editing.

Item|Price
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€130.19
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€209.08
8GB-Kit G-Skill RipJaws PC3-12800U CL9|€34.53
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€129.14
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€99.83
Super-Flower SF650P14XE Golden Green Pro 80plus gold|€82.32
Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 Boost, 3GB GDDR5|€285.59
Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Basic|€79.99
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1069.66

There's no need for 16GB of RAM in a gaming PC. You won't see any performance increase with more RAM.

Added in the SSD, on that budget you really should have an SSD. Trust me, it's makes so much difference.

The 7950 will performs than the 670, also throw in the fact that the 7950 can overclock like crazy and is cheaper than the 670.

That 650w will leave you room to add in a 2nd 7950 down the line.

tuxy

JerCotter7 wrote: »

I changed the CPU but what purpose does an i7 have so?

The only difference between an i5 and an i7 is hyperthreading and slightly higher cache.
There are a few high end applications like video editing or vmware(virtual pc) that can make use of hyperthreading.
Games don't make any use of these features. In some games an i5 will actually be slightly better than an i7 if you have hyperthreading enabled.

acemurphy

Hi,like the look of that spec.can I ask where to buy from thx

tuxy

http://www.hardwareversand.de
Bank transer is the best way to pay them which is a bit of a pain but their prices are the best out of all the retailers I have looked up.
It takes about 2 days for the bank transfer to clear then around another 4 days for the parts to be delivered.

JerCotter7

Tij da feen wrote: »

The i7 has no benefits for gaming over the i5. It has benefits for other applications such as video editing.

Item|Price
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€130.19
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€209.08
8GB-Kit G-Skill RipJaws PC3-12800U CL9|€34.53
Seagate Barracuda 7200 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€129.14
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€99.83
Super-Flower SF650P14XE Golden Green Pro 80plus gold|€82.32
Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 Boost, 3GB GDDR5|€285.59
Samsung SSD 830 128GB SATA 6GB's Basic|€79.99
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1069.66

There's no need for 16GB of RAM in a gaming PC. You won't see any performance increase with more RAM.

Added in the SSD, on that budget you really should have an SSD. Trust me, it's makes so much difference.

The 7950 will performs than the 670, also throw in the fact that the 7950 can overclock like crazy and is cheaper than the 670.

That 650w will leave you room to add in a 2nd 7950 down the line.

Hmm not sure if I would be willing to overclock just yet. Not with my first build anyway. So without overclocking which GPU is better?

Also is that list all I would need to purchase or is there more parts needed to assemble the pc?

Gbear

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Hmm not sure if I would be willing to overclock just yet. Not with my first build anyway. So without overclocking which GPU is better?

Also is that list all I would need to purchase or is there more parts needed to assemble the pc?

You don't have to overclock but having the option available (especially when there's little downside) is a prudent move.

Tij da feen

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Hmm not sure if I would be willing to overclock just yet. Not with my first build anyway. So without overclocking which GPU is better?

Also is that list all I would need to purchase or is there more parts needed to assemble the pc?

The GTX670 at 1080p but the 7950 will win out at higher resolutions becuase of more VRAM. The extra cost of the 670 is hard enough to justify and it's really not hard to overclock the 7950 should you need to.

Maybe look at a CPU cooler for better overclocks, like this. Overclocking the CPU it's not too hard to do once you need the boost in performance.

JerCotter7

I finally got around to ordering this but windows 7 English is currently not in stock and they don't know when they will be getting it back in. Would it be the same to order any windows 7 and swap to English during install? They asked if I wanted to cancel it but not sure what to do.

marco_polo

JerCotter7 wrote: »

I finally got around to ordering this but windows 7 English is currently not in stock and they don't know when they will be getting it back in. Would it be the same to order any windows 7 and swap to English during install? They asked if I wanted to cancel it but not sure what to do.

The german one would be fine, you can use the serial key with a copy of the English language ISO downloaded from digital river. See this post from Serephucus

unseenfootage

tuxy wrote: »

The only difference between an i5 and an i7 is hyperthreading and slightly higher cache.
There are a few high end applications like video editing or vmware(virtual pc) that can make use of hyperthreading.
Games don't make any use of these features. In some games an i5 will actually be slightly better than an i7 if you have hyperthreading enabled.

From my understanding the benefit of hyper-threading is that you can run multiple applications simultaneously.

So you can game and possibly render a movie at the same time or run your anti virus in the background.

tuxy

unseenfootage wrote: »

From my understanding the benefit of hyper-threading is that you can run multiple applications simultaneously.

So you can game and possibly render a movie at the same time or run your anti virus in the background.

Actually that's one of the situations where hyperthreading is more likley to slow things down

http://www.overclock.net/a/hyperthreading-explained

Hyperthreading is good in areas where the software has been well programmed to take advantage of it. For example adobe premiere can encode video up to 20% faster with it enabled.
For everything else you will see no gain.

unseenfootage

tuxy wrote: »

Actually that's one of the situations where hyperthreading is more likley to slow things down

http://www.overclock.net/a/hyperthreading-explained

Hyperthreading is good in areas where the software has been well programmed to take advantage of it. For example adobe premiere can encode video up to 20% faster with it enabled.
For everything else you will see no gain.

Is it worth it?

This is a hard question to answer, and is heavily dependent on what you’re doing. If you do a lot of 3d rendering or video transcoding then it probably is since this is the workload HT is best suited for. If you find that you generally run multiple intensive tasks simultaneously (like playing a game while encoding a video or recompiling the Linux kernel in a VM) then HT could have a negative impact on overall performance (though not necessarily). One thing that is for sure is its impact is exaggerated in synthetic benchmarks, almost to the point where it becomes misleading.

http://www.overclock.net/a/hyperthreading-explained

It will be interesting to see benchmark tests for this scenario since the author is not decisive on this point.

But yes. It is more suited for business and engineering workflows where the use might say render a 3d model and do something else like invoicing or documentation.

JerCotter7

Okay it's all ordered now I just have to transfer the money. I have a VAT number but no where on site to enter it. I put it into the little note quoting the number. I also emailed them to ask what was the price minus vat but nothing back. Tried to ring this morning and the phone just sounds engaged. Would it be okay to just knock off the 19% and send that onto them? They have a vat number and everything. The price is 1.117,47 EUR so minus vat it should be €905.1507 so if I just sent €906 would it be okay?