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Damp, rented hose - causing so many problems :(

  • 20-11-2012 11:52pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32


    @. well now my apartment is just covered in head to toe with damp, my daughter is now on steroids with her chest!!! I need to leave but cant without a deposit, and having trouble finding property in the location i want t live in!!!:confused: the doctor has given me a letter stating this enviroment isnt healthy for my one year old, i want to bring it into council see if they would do anything:confused: THOUGHTS?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    What kind of a lease have you got?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Damp and mould 9/10 times is caused by how somebody uses a property. Drying clothes inside the most common cause.

    I have rented place no problem for years and a new tenant moves in and there is suddenly a problem.

    It isn't always the case but you should asses how you use the property.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭edellc


    my thoughts are this

    firstly your child is the most important person in this situation NO ONE ELSE your only priority is your childs health

    so as i see you have 4 options

    1. stay where you are and see out the lease

    2. go to the council with your letter and see if it will help you with social housing

    3. ring the environmental health officer and get them to do an inspection of the place, if it is unfit for your child they will recommend that the landlord sorts out the issues within a time frame

    4. My favourite, if you can hold your nerve, withhold rent for two months, giving you your mths rent in advance and deposit and get you and your daughter out of there

    Yes yes I know number 4 is illegal blahblahblah and yes yes I know that damp can be caused by the tenant drying clothes in the property...it can also be caused by having no heating for a prolonged period of time in this wet and cold climate of ours...and thanks to our lax tenancy laws the reality of the landlord doing anything is other than playing the bullyboy is also near zero, but its a gamble.

    So Op there are my thoughts but really its up to you to act and tbh the landlords rent, lease agreement whatever are a big fat zero on a list of priorities when your child is on steroids due to living in a damp environment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭earlyevening


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Damp and mould 9/10 times is caused by how somebody uses a property. Drying clothes inside the most common cause.

    I have rented place no problem for years and a new tenant moves in and there is suddenly a problem.

    It isn't always the case but you should asses how you use the property.

    I agree. Try opening a window.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭littleredspot


    edellc wrote: »

    4. My favourite, if you can hold your nerve, withhold rent for two months, giving you your mths rent in advance and deposit and get you and your daughter out of there

    Yes yes I know number 4 is illegal blahblahblah and yes yes I know that damp can be caused by the tenant drying clothes in the property...it can also be caused by having no heating for a prolonged period of time in this wet and cold climate of ours...and thanks to our lax tenancy laws the reality of the landlord doing anything is other than playing the bullyboy is also near zero, but its a gamble.

    Let me get this straight. You know that the most probable cause of the damp is the tenant, and you also know the advice you're giving is illegal and yet you'd still recommend that course of action? Nowhere did the OP mention there being no heating or the landlord being a bullyboy.

    Thankfully the tenancy laws are way stricter than you imagine.

    If the landlord is unwilling to come and check out your complaints OP then you should report the situation to the environmental health officer. They tend to be efficient and friendly, and will soon let you know if the problem is with the apartment. If it is, the landlord will have to sort it out or risk a hefty fine.

    It's important to know that if you withhold your rent it's illegal and the PRTB or Threshold or anyone else won't be able to help you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,049 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    zoe88 wrote: »
    @. well now my apartment is just covered in head to toe with damp, my daughter is now on steroids with her chest!!! I need to leave but cant without a deposit, and having trouble finding property in the location i want t live in!!!:confused: the doctor has given me a letter stating this enviroment isnt healthy for my one year old, i want to bring it into council see if they would do anything:confused: THOUGHTS?
    Did your doctor see the flat?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭edellc



    Let me get this straight. You know that the most probable cause of the damp is the tenant, and you also know the advice you're giving is illegal and yet you'd still recommend that course of action? Nowhere did the OP mention there being no heating or the landlord being a bullyboy.

    Thankfully the tenancy laws are way stricter than you imagine.

    If the landlord is unwilling to come and check out your complaints OP then you should report the situation to the environmental health officer. They tend to be efficient and friendly, and will soon let you know if the problem is with the apartment. If it is, the landlord will have to sort it out or risk a hefty fine.

    It's important to know that if you withhold your rent it's illegal and the PRTB or Threshold or anyone else won't be able to help you.

    Like prtb, threshold help anyway they can recommend but have no actual power and it takes years to process complaints both are a complete joke

    If the tenant IS NOT drying clothes inside then they are not the cause of the problem and if landlord is taking his sweet ass time to fix the issue if at all then yes the health of the child comes first and yes I would withhold rent on order to get my deposit back and move

    If however the tenant is drying stuff inside then it has to stop and see if the situation improves if not contact LL to resolve issue if it does not get resolved in a timely manner then yes with hold rent and move

    The only person who matters in this is the child, like I said and if the op is not the cause of the problem then you do what you have to, to resolve the issue quickly for the sake of the child's health...it is as simple as that IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    murphaph wrote: »
    Did your doctor see the flat?

    Didn't need to. Obviously he saw the baby and diagnosed by what he saw.

    Sometimes, it isn't always practical to open the window, given the fact the OP has a small baby with chest problems. What if she lives on the ground floor for example?

    What is the position with the ventilation? Is it just windows to be opened, are there sufficient air bricks, and are there extractor fans in the kitchen and bathroom?

    Has alternative means of drying clothes been provided? It always makes me laugh when I read some posts telling people not to dry clothes indoors. Most apartment complexes will not allow clothes to be dried on the balconies (which is fair enough), but landlords won't provide tumble driers either. Hence the problems with damp and mold which are exacerbated by poor design and maintenance of the apartments.

    OP, I would take the letter to the council. Are you already on the list? If you are, ask if they can push you further up the list due to the health problems with the baby. I would imagine you would be a fairly high priority for housing anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,579 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    edellc wrote: »
    my thoughts are this

    firstly your child is the most important person in this situation NO ONE ELSE your only priority is your childs health

    so as i see you have 4 options

    1. stay where you are and see out the lease

    2. go to the council with your letter and see if it will help you with social housing

    3. ring the environmental health officer and get them to do an inspection of the place, if it is unfit for your child they will recommend that the landlord sorts out the issues within a time frame

    4. My favourite, if you can hold your nerve, withhold rent for two months, giving you your mths rent in advance and deposit and get you and your daughter out of there

    Yes yes I know number 4 is illegal blahblahblah and yes yes I know that damp can be caused by the tenant drying clothes in the property...it can also be caused by having no heating for a prolonged period of time in this wet and cold climate of ours...and thanks to our lax tenancy laws the reality of the landlord doing anything is other than playing the bullyboy is also near zero, but its a gamble.

    So Op there are my thoughts but really its up to you to act and tbh the landlords rent, lease agreement whatever are a big fat zero on a list of priorities when your child is on steroids due to living in a damp environment.
    Surely solving the problem should be the first resort? Advocating dubious behaviour is not acceptable.

    Moderator


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭edellc


    Victor wrote: »
    Surely solving the problem should be the first resort? Advocating dubious behaviour is not acceptable.

    Moderator

    Any chance you could actually scroll down and read the thread, As I said the child health is the only priority if the parent is doing something to cause the damp it needs to stop, if not then the LL needs to fix it asap if not then the tenant needs to do what they need to do in order to finance a move....as you can give all the excuses in the world it doesnt matter when your in the coroners court..the childs health comes first


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,049 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Didn't need to.
    I disagree (doctors will write all sorts if asked), but anyway.

    The priority should be to fix the problems. Something is causing the mould. In most cases it is indeed the behaviour of the occupants that causes it.

    You MUST ventilate properly in almost every dwelling in Ireland as very few have air exchangers (common in the US, for example). If clothes are being dried indoors (inadvisable) then ventilation is even more crucial.

    The landlord possibly expects the tenant to use a launderette (common in Germany, used one myself for a good while before buying a machine).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Launderettes (usually coin-up) are common enough in London too. So what? They don't seem to be here. And you (usually) have to pay for a bag wash too which I think is expensive.

    It is not practical for someone like OP with a baby to use one. Imagine the washing and the trips up and down. Hell, most people don't find launderettes practical which is why the majority of us have washing machines!!

    Ventilation is very important which is why I asked what the arrangements were. It seems to be a problem with a lot of the (newer) housing stock here which in a lot of cases have inadequate ventilation. Damp coursing isn't something I see a lot of here either which is surprising to me given the damp climate. If the OP's flat is one of those, then she'll have problems whatever she does.

    In the meantime, maybe she could ask the landlord to supply a small tumble dryer? Might go a long way to solving some of the problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Have you opened the wall vents?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭edellc


    it is a condition that if there is no outside area to dry clothes then the landlord must supply a drying facility as in a clothes dryer

    link below list what is required
    http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/FileDownLoad,19142,en.pdf

    in particular article 8

    (h) Where the house does not contain a garden or yard for the exclusive
    use of that house, a dryer (vented or recirculation type).

    so there should in effect be no drying of clothes indoors period


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    edellc wrote: »
    it is a condition that if there is no outside area to dry clothes then the landlord must supply a drying facility as in a clothes dryer

    link below list what is required
    http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/FileDownLoad,19142,en.pdf

    in particular article 8

    (h) Where the house does not contain a garden or yard for the exclusive
    use of that house, a dryer (vented or recirculation type).

    so there should in effect be no drying of clothes indoors period

    It is not certain the OP IS drying clothes indoors (although likely). Neither do we know if the LL has supplied suitable drying facilities.

    If he hasn't? Then the OP should hit him with the appropriate legislation and ask that a suitable dryer be provided, and action taken to eradicate the problem. Perhaps the landlord isn't aware of his responsibilities?? (Hmmmmm)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭edellc


    It is not certain the OP IS drying clothes indoors (although likely). Neither do we know if the LL has supplied suitable drying facilities.

    If he hasn't? Then the OP should hit him with the appropriate legislation and ask that a suitable dryer be provided, and action taken to eradicate the problem. Perhaps the landlord isn't aware of his responsibilities?? (Hmmmmm)

    Oh I couldnt agree more with you, I am presuming nothing until the OP lets us know what facilities are supplied or not and if the OP is contributing to the problem or not...either way the childs health is the most important and a child should never have to live in such and environment and be on steriods for health issues due to damp..its ridicules


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭miller50841


    Hi Zoe
    It is a major problem in a lot of properties that are for rent as there is not enough insulation and the owner doesn't live there.

    I was renting a cottage and it was just plastered over the stone wall and black mould everywhere and of course we were told its because of us breathing and not opening the windows.
    We had to open them as the smell was all over us and clothes and throughout the house.
    There was no damp course and there were cracks in windows and the front door.

    We went through a lot and eventually left after getting enviro health over twice and got reports on how bad it was and pictures.

    We were never shown or given a copy of the BER cert so we were able to break the lease and left got half the deposit and fighting through PRTB to get the rest.

    1st contact Threshold then listen to what they say to do but make sure to ring Enviro Health Officer for your area and go from there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭StillWaters


    Even when a drier is provided, often tenants will still dry clothes on radiators or a clothes horse to save money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Even when a drier is provided, often tenants will still dry clothes on radiators or a clothes horse to save money.

    This is true. If I had my way, any damp/mold issues caused by the tenant, fixing it would be their responsibility and would come out of the deposit. IF drying facilities were provided of course!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    zoe88 wrote: »
    icon9.pngDamp, rented hose - causing so many problems :(

    In fairness, if your gonna live in a hose you gotta expect some dampness.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Even when a drier is provided, often tenants will still dry clothes on radiators or a clothes horse to save money.
    This is true. If I had my way, any damp/mold issues caused by the tenant, fixing it would be their responsibility and would come out of the deposit. IF drying facilities were provided of course!

    Im yet to meet a tenant who could afford to run a tumble dryer as their only means of drying clothes...! Electric bills are high enough in apartments in the winter as it is given that most run off electric heating; add a tumble dryer being run every day into the mix and most would need a bank loan to pay the ESB bill!

    Its far from ideal and I have no doubt that it contributes to problems such as damp but such is life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    djimi wrote: »
    Im yet to meet a tenant who could afford to run a tumble dryer as their only means of drying clothes...! Electric bills are high enough in apartments in the winter as it is given that most run off electric heating; add a tumble dryer being run every day into the mix and most would need a bank loan to pay the ESB bill!

    Its far from ideal and I have no doubt that it contributes to problems such as damp but such is life.

    So what is the alternative?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    So what is the alternative?

    Clothes on a drying rack in front of the sitting room window and then into the hotpress. It takes more time but I cannot afford to run a tumble dryer 7 days a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Its not always from drying clothes. It can be from bad ventilation. My sister lived in a house where her clothes were destroyed with mould, it was the design of the house, nobody dried clothes inside. Its not always the tenants fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    OMG are some of ye actually serious? " open a window" jesus why didnt i think of that! It is not my fault the place is damp, or that my child is the one suffering from it! My lease is 12 months and up in march, and thanks for some of ye answers, they have helped, and ye have said some things i have though of dog, like not paying my rent and getting the hell out of here with my deposit in tow. My landlord has been told TWICE about these damp conditions and has done sweet f all about it. have to laugh at people blaming me here, i dry my clothes on line or dryer, thanks for the input though!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    Its not always from drying clothes. It can be from bad ventilation. My sister lived in a house where her clothes were destroyed with mould, it was the design of the house, nobody dried clothes inside. Its not always the tenants fault.

    Thank you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    edellc wrote: »
    my thoughts are this

    firstly your child is the most important person in this situation NO ONE ELSE your only priority is your childs health

    so as i see you have 4 options

    1. stay where you are and see out the lease

    2. go to the council with your letter and see if it will help you with social housing

    3. ring the environmental health officer and get them to do an inspection of the place, if it is unfit for your child they will recommend that the landlord sorts out the issues within a time frame

    4. My favourite, if you can hold your nerve, withhold rent for two months, giving you your mths rent in advance and deposit and get you and your daughter out of there

    Yes yes I know number 4 is illegal blahblahblah and yes yes I know that damp can be caused by the tenant drying clothes in the property...it can also be caused by having no heating for a prolonged period of time in this wet and cold climate of ours...and thanks to our lax tenancy laws the reality of the landlord doing anything is other than playing the bullyboy is also near zero, but its a gamble.

    So Op there are my thoughts but really its up to you to act and tbh the landlords rent, lease agreement whatever are a big fat zero on a list of priorities when your child is on steroids due to living in a damp environment.

    Number 4 is also my favourite, have been thinking this myself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    mikom wrote: »
    In fairness, if your gonna live in a hose you gotta expect some dampness.

    Yes "mikom" i also expect my one year old to be on steroids for her breathing is it? dont make me laugh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Wils110


    Clothes dried inside the landlords favourite excuse if their was adequate ventilation there be no problem that doesn't mean opening windows proper vents


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    Didn't need to. Obviously he saw the baby and diagnosed by what he saw.

    Sometimes, it isn't always practical to open the window, given the fact the OP has a small baby with chest problems. What if she lives on the ground floor for example?

    What is the position with the ventilation? Is it just windows to be opened, are there sufficient air bricks, and are there extractor fans in the kitchen and bathroom?

    Has alternative means of drying clothes been provided? It always makes me laugh when I read some posts telling people not to dry clothes indoors. Most apartment complexes will not allow clothes to be dried on the balconies (which is fair enough), but landlords won't provide tumble driers either. Hence the problems with damp and mold which are exacerbated by poor design and maintenance of the apartments.

    OP, I would take the letter to the council. Are you already on the list? If you are, ask if they can push you further up the list due to the health problems with the baby. I would imagine you would be a fairly high priority for housing anyway.


    It has very poor ventilation, also has flooded 3 times my neighbour has told me, it is a risk in floods when cork is flooded.. also he has no fans, over head on oven doesnt work, he hasnt fix it, even though he was asked months ago, basically i am trying to get out, am heading to council first thing, only on list a year, they will prob keep me waiting!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    murphaph wrote: »
    I disagree (doctors will write all sorts if asked), but anyway.

    The priority should be to fix the problems. Something is causing the mould. In most cases it is indeed the behaviour of the occupants that causes it.

    You MUST ventilate properly in almost every dwelling in Ireland as very few have air exchangers (common in the US, for example). If clothes are being dried indoors (inadvisable) then ventilation is even more crucial.

    The landlord possibly expects the tenant to use a launderette (common in Germany, used one myself for a good while before buying a machine).

    @ cking problem i have damp, its the landlords house, his problem, and i didnt ask my doctor to make this **** up, she is very sick with her chest and has had tonsilitis twice now, so keep your own opinions to yourself cos your snotty answer isnt wanted, cheers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    zoe88 wrote: »
    It has very poor ventilation, also has flooded 3 times my neighbour has told me, it is a risk in floods when cork is flooded.. also he has no fans, over head on oven doesnt work, he hasnt fix it, even though he was asked months ago, basically i am trying to get out, am heading to council first thing, only on list a year, they will prob keep me waiting!

    I hope it's not Douglas, Glanmire or Blackpool! :eek:

    Were you aware the apartment was in a flood risk area? OP I would get on to Environmental Health first thing. Don't wait...

    EDIT: I would also take a copy of the regs. Edellc posted up the link a while ago...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭littleredspot


    Maybe we can be more helpful if you give us some more details?

    Is there permanently open vents in each habitable room?

    Is there mechanical ventilation in the bathroom and kitchen?

    What sort of heating is installed?

    How old is the apartment?

    Is it a purpose built apartment or a flat in a converted house?

    What is the BER?

    You say there's damp from "head to toe" do you have any photos?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    I hope it's not Douglas, Glanmire or Blackpool! :eek:

    Were you aware the apartment was in a flood risk area? OP I would get on to Environmental Health first thing. Don't wait...

    EDIT: I would also take a copy of the regs. Edellc posted up the link a while ago...

    No, actually blackrock, which never really floods, but the park im living in has flooded 3 times apparently due to the shores and what not on the road outside the park, something like that anyway. No certainly wasnt aware it was at risk of flooding. so fed up now because there is no where to rent in the area i want, nothing i can afford anyway!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Like I say. You want to get on to EH first thing. Second - get your arse down to City Hall with the letter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    and yes little red spot i do have photos not sure how to upload them but why would you want to see them? my living room, bed room and bathroom all have mould and black on the walls. i took pics on my phone for proof for the city hall and who ever else who can help me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    Like I say. You want to get on to EH first thing. Second - get your arse down to City Hall with the letter.


    WILL DO, not sure if they will help me anyway! Have emailed housing twice, sent them pics, but will head in , in person with letter!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    zoe88 wrote: »
    and yes little red spot i do have photos not sure how to upload them but why would you want to see them? my living room, bed room and bathroom all have mould and black on the walls. i took pics on my phone for proof for the city hall and who ever else who can help me!

    That's why you posted here - right? Photos are not only proof, but other posters might also be able to give insight on how to manage the problem. It's not to be nosy, we're trying to help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭littleredspot


    zoe88 wrote: »
    and yes little red spot i do have photos not sure how to upload them but why would you want to see them? my living room, bed room and bathroom all have mould and black on the walls. i took pics on my phone for proof for the city hall and who ever else who can help me!

    Because photos might be able to help us work out what's causing the damp.
    If the place has been flooded recently and not correctly dried out and repaired that could easily be your problem, the walls could still be full of moisture.

    A phonecall to the EHO will soon put you straight. If they find that the house isn't fit to live in, it would be a very stupid landlord that wouldn't give you your full deposit back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    That's why you posted here - right? Photos are not only proof, but other posters might also be able to give insight on how to manage the problem. It's not to be nosy, we're trying to help.


    Not saying you are nosey, i basically dont care how the damp is treated as I just dont want to be living here, may i add i have found slugs lying around my living area, and also had fat pigs " wood lice" i also had to deal with them, due to damp, not sure how to deal with slugs, i have just put a bottle of salt outside my backdoor (where i presume they were coming from, as living area is to the back)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    zoe88 wrote: »
    Not saying you are nosey, i basically dont care how the damp is treated as I just dont want to be living here, may i add i have found slugs lying around my living area, and also had fat pigs " wood lice" i also had to deal with them, due to damp, not sure how to deal with slugs, i have just put a bottle of salt outside my backdoor (where i presume they were coming from, as living area is to the back)

    I have no doubt the conditions are awful. I can't stress this enough. You need to get on to EH AT ONCE. They will inspect the premises and make the landlord do the remedial work, even if you move out.

    Have you put the damp and mould issues in writing to the LL? In fact, have you given notice to quit??

    In the meantime, I would move out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    I have no doubt the conditions are awful. I can't stress this enough. You need to get on to EH AT ONCE. They will inspect the premises and make the landlord do the remedial work, even if you move out.

    Have you put the damp and mould issues in writing to the LL? In fact, have you given notice to quit??

    In the meantime, I would move out.

    If it was that easy to move out i would, i dont really have anywhere to go, and no i havent done it in writing, which i really should of, but i have rang him numerous times, and he said he would get someone out to dry line the walls, this was 3 weeks ago, my little girl is still sick on the meantime, my doctor just told me show him letter and get my deposit back! Im just so on edge cos i have been viewing other places, and i havent found any i liked, and will not settle for one just because i have to


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    zoe88 wrote: »
    If it was that easy to move out i would, i dont really have anywhere to go, and no i havent done it in writing, which i really should of, but i have rang him numerous times, and he said he would get someone out to dry line the walls, this was 3 weeks ago, my little girl is still sick on the meantime, my doctor just told me show him letter and get my deposit back! Im just so on edge cos i have been viewing other places, and i havent found any i liked, and will not settle for one just because i have to

    Then that is the FIRST thing to do! What can't speak, can't lie. You should put all of this in writing to the landlord. Do not send an e-mail. If possible, send the letter (and photos to back up what you're saying) via Registered Post. List the problems you've been having. Attach a copy of the doctor's letter. Tell the landlord you're taking advice from Threshold (who you should also contact) and have called in Environmental Health who will contact him separately about the issues.

    I'm afraid the doctor's living in dreamland if he thinks the LL will just let you walk away. It doesn't work that way. You now have to step it up a gear.

    Stick to the facts, and don't go into a rant. You lose the battle that way. Have you kept a note of the dates you spoke to him?

    "Im just so on edge cos i have been viewing other places, and i havent found any i liked, and will not settle for one just because i have to"

    Given your child's health problems, I would've thought that finding a dry, clean, safe place to live would be priority. You don't have to like the place. You just need to get the baby out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭iCosmopolis


    zoe88 wrote: »
    If it was that easy to move out i would, i dont really have anywhere to go, and no i havent done it in writing, which i really should of, but i have rang him numerous times, and he said he would get someone out to dry line the walls, this was 3 weeks ago, my little girl is still sick on the meantime, my doctor just told me show him letter and get my deposit back! Im just so on edge cos i have been viewing other places, and i havent found any i liked, and will not settle for one just because i have to

    Sounds like rising damp from my experience. This sounds similiar to a place I rented 5 years ago, dodgy heating, found out there was a flooding issue in the two units..wasn't drying clothes indoors, as even if I left anything out it rotted overnight. Bogey oil heating, no vents (aside from gaps in the window frames) and first suggestion was..yes, open a window :mad: foul damp (mushrooms!),buckling floors, riddled with woodlice,stank, lost half my belongings. We were ill. The landlord was a "property developer/management company" guy. He had his builder come out and said he'd put in a few vents..month later nothing. I had mine come out and assess and said was 100% rising damp issue which made sense-badly insulated, damproofing, bad foundations the work. I gave this to the LL and threat of enviromental health. He actually told me, fine keep the rent and get out within 6 weeks and say nothing. Should have sued the f*cker in after thought :( I'd go with threat of EH.
    *Was freshly painted, with newish quirky kitchen units,high walls & spacious when we viewed it-started to rot within a couple of weeks of moving in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    There certainly are houses with ventilation and damp problems. These would tend to be older properties or "adapted".
    There really is too many unknowns. The OP would have to say more.
    While people like to demonise LL not many will let a property go to ruin.
    The suggestion to dry line the wall is terrible. That means putting plaster board up. That would make the problem worse. Plaster board would soak up moisture and retain it with room for mould in the gap behind it.

    As for the complaint that tumble driers are too expensive. That is the only option, drying clothes inside will damage a property. Might not bother some tenants but it does when it damages their items.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    Then that is the FIRST thing to do! What can't speak, can't lie. You should put all of this in writing to the landlord. Do not send an e-mail. If possible, send the letter (and photos to back up what you're saying) via Registered Post. List the problems you've been having. Attach a copy of the doctor's letter. Tell the landlord you're taking advice from Threshold (who you should also contact) and have called in Environmental Health who will contact him separately about the issues.

    I'm afraid the doctor's living in dreamland if he thinks the LL will just let you walk away. It doesn't work that way. You now have to step it up a gear.

    Stick to the facts, and don't go into a rant. You lose the battle that way. Have you kept a note of the dates you spoke to him?

    "Im just so on edge cos i have been viewing other places, and i havent found any i liked, and will not settle for one just because i have to"

    Given your child's health problems, I would've thought that finding a dry, clean, safe place to live would be priority. You don't have to like the place. You just need to get the baby out.


    I actually do not drive and i have been viewing houses alot lately to find one which is local and will reach our needs and somewhere that is close to my family so i wont have to travel far on bus to go see them or visa versa, youd think i was staying to make my child more ill or something, some answers wreck my head. and for the first part of the answer, yes thanks, i have a copy of all dates i spoke to him, going tinto threshold in the morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    djimi wrote: »

    thanks, printing this out as we speak, thanks again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    zoe88 wrote: »
    I actually do not drive and i have been viewing houses alot lately to find one which is local and will reach our needs and somewhere that is close to my family so i wont have to travel far on bus to go see them or visa versa, youd think i was staying to make my child more ill or something, some answers wreck my head. and for the first part of the answer, yes thanks, i have a copy of all dates i spoke to him, going tinto threshold in the morning.

    Nobody said that now, did they? You're being very defensive. I don't know why. I realise this must be very stressful for you. It's not a nice situation to be in. But you posted asking for opinions and we gave them in an effort to help.

    I'm sorry if this isn't what you want to hear...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 zoe88


    Sounds like rising damp from my experience. This sounds similiar to a place I rented 5 years ago, dodgy heating, found out there was a flooding issue in the two units..wasn't drying clothes indoors, as even if I left anything out it rotted overnight. Bogey oil heating, no vents (aside from gaps in the window frames) and first suggestion was..yes, open a window :mad: foul damp (mushrooms!),buckling floors, riddled with woodlice,stank, lost half my belongings. We were ill. The landlord was a "property developer/management company" guy. He had his builder come out and said he'd put in a few vents..month later nothing. I had mine come out and assess and said was 100% rising damp issue which made sense-badly insulated, damproofing, bad foundations the work. I gave this to the LL and threat of enviromental health. He actually told me, fine keep the rent and get out within 6 weeks and say nothing. Should have sued the f*cker in after thought :( I'd go with threat of EH.
    *Was freshly painted, with newish quirky kitchen units,high walls & spacious when we viewed it-started to rot within a couple of weeks of moving in


    half of them dont give a ****e!


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