Claiming dole from ireland in the UK

hiho1967

Ive been all over this county and other counties looking work and have been running up against a brick wall and im now wanting to move to the uk to seek employment. I know that when there im still entilted to my dole from ireland for 3 months but can anyone tell me is it the same amount im collecting here, 208 euro a week or will it be the 60quid a week they get over there. I wouldnt even claim of the state if i had any savings but times are really bad and could do with the full amount over there for traveling around seeking work.

eddiehen

hiho1967 wrote: »

Ive been all over this county and other counties looking work and have been running up against a brick wall and im now wanting to move to the uk to seek employment. I know that when there im still entilted to my dole from ireland for 3 months but can anyone tell me is it the same amount im collecting here, 208 euro a week or will it be the 60quid a week they get over there. I wouldnt even claim of the state if i had any savings but times are really bad and could do with the full amount over there for traveling around seeking work.

I presume that you are on Jobseekers Allowance because of the rate of 208 (188+20 Fuel, which you only receive after 390 days). If this is the case, then you may not transfer this payment abroad.

You can, however, attempt to move there and try and sign on, but I wouldn't be able to advise you of the criteria applied over there.

hiho1967

eddiehen wrote: »

I presume that you are on Jobseekers Allowance because of the rate of 208 (188+20 Fuel, which you only receive after 390 days). If this is the case, then you may not transfer this payment abroad.

You can, however, attempt to move there and try and sign on, but I wouldn't be able to advise you of the criteria applied over there.

Why, im near sure i seen it online that if im seeking employment in another EU country, then im entitled to dole from ireland.

eddiehen

hiho1967 wrote: »

Why, im near sure i seen it online that if im seeking employment in another EU country, then im entitled to dole from ireland.

If you're on Jobseekers benefit, then yes, but allowance no.

hiho1967

eddiehen wrote: »

If you're on Jobseekers benefit, then yes, but allowance no.

Whats the difference and can i move to allowance instead of benefit

eddiehen

hiho1967 wrote: »

Whats the difference and can i move to allowance instead of benefit

The difference is Allowance is means-tested but also long-term. The benefit is intended to be short term, and as such has specific criteria in order to qualify for it. In a nutshell, if you've been working for a number of years, find yourself unemployed and present yourself to a social welfare office, Benefit will be what you receive as it is claiming on your previous PRSI contributions (your most recent ones, not ones you had 4, 10, 12 years ago). If you are on benefit for the 9 or 12 months, you will switch to allowance (priovided you pass the means test).

If you are on allowance currently, the only way you may switch to benefit is to get 13 PRSI contributions, and satisfy the conditions for benefit again.

hiho1967

Looks like im staying put then was really hoping to get out of this country but looks like im stuck here . Has anyone any spare rope

eddiehen

hiho1967 wrote: »

Looks like im staying put then was really hoping to get out of this country but looks like im stuck here . Has anyone any spare rope

You can still go, you just won't get as much money. If the grass is greener then surely it's worth taking the risk no?

(BTW, I'd be careful about making comments such as that one about the rope. The internet is a wide open place and you never know if the person you're talking to has dealt with the scenario you are implying)

hiho1967

eddiehen wrote: »

You can still go, you just won't get as much money. If the grass is greener then surely it's worth taking the risk no?

(BTW, I'd be careful about making comments such as that one about the rope. The internet is a wide open place and you never know if the person you're talking to has dealt with the scenario you are implying)

I would love to go and take the risk but id need money to support myself while searching for work. Am i even entilted to the UK dole if im from ireland and lived here all my life. Id be on the 1st boat ut of this place if i knew id have some sort of support.

eddiehen

hiho1967 wrote: »

I would love to go and take the risk but id need money to support myself while searching for work. Am i even entilted to the UK dole if im from ireland and lived here all my life. Id be on the 1st boat ut of this place if i knew id have some sort of support.

As I mentioned before, I couldn't tell you if you'd be entitled over there. Best of luck with whatever you choose anyway, and don't get too down about being out of work. If it helps at all, just remember there's thousands of others in a similar situation.

ABajaninCork

Check here. You can also check the amount of benefit that might be payable on the benefits adviser.

You should also note that you must be resident in the UK to claim, just like here.

I think the best course of action for you OP, is to look for work in the UK from here. Get something lined up before you go...

EDIT. Just like Ireland, you'll need an NI no. before you can do ANYTHING. And you have to apply in person, bringing supporting documentation as required by the DWP.

eastbono

You will also have to satisfy habitual residence conditions in the UK similar to habitual residence conditions in Ireland and tbh it is unlikely that you will satisfy those.

hiho1967

eastbono wrote: »

You will also have to satisfy habitual residence conditions in the UK similar to habitual residence conditions in Ireland and tbh it is unlikely that you will satisfy those.

Im from derry so i can claim both, been living in free state for 20 yrs now. Coming to think about it, do they have same strict rules as here in ireland where if your away for so long, your fcuked for claiming to say the least.

ABajaninCork

hiho1967 wrote: »

Im from derry so i can claim both, been living in free state for 20 yrs now. Coming to think about it, do they have same strict rules as here in ireland where if your away for so long, your fcuked for claiming to say the least.

Yup. But at least you have an NI no...

eastbono

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Yup. But at least you have an NI no...

A NI number means nothing the same as a PPSN means nothing if your are out of the country for 20 years. Whether you are going from republic to uk or vice versa after being out of the home country for 20 years and havent contributed to the country for 20 years you will have to satisfy habitual residence.

ABajaninCork

eastbono wrote: »

A NI number means nothing the same as a PPSN means nothing if your are out of the country for 20 years. Whether you are going from republic to uk or vice versa after being out of the home country for 20 years and havent contributed to the country for 20 years you will have to satisfy habitual residence.

That's not what I meant.

The OP's original question was about looking for work, was it not? Well, in order to work, he'll need an NI no. Without that, you're screwed as you'll have to wait to be issued with one. Takes about a month for issue. As he's originally from Derry, then no problem as he'll already have one. But he'll still have to prove he's resident, in order to claim dole.

hiho1967

eastbono wrote: »

A NI number means nothing the same as a PPSN means nothing if your are out of the country for 20 years. Whether you are going from republic to uk or vice versa after being out of the home country for 20 years and havent contributed to the country for 20 years you will have to satisfy habitual residence.

Is this a new rule out in last few years because ive know of people moving back north and having no problems claiming just a few years ago.

ABajaninCork

hiho1967 wrote: »

Is this a new rule out in last few years because ive know of people moving back north and having no problems claiming just a few years ago.

It's not a new rule. It's been around for as long as I can remember. Several of my friends who worked abroad for a while were refused access to the NHS. The people you know could probably prove residence.

350125GO!

hiho1967 wrote: »

Im from derry so i can claim both, been living in free state for 20 yrs now. Coming to think about it, do they have same strict rules as here in ireland where if your away for so long, your fcuked for claiming to say the least.

Seeing as you are british by birth you'd be fine. Just go into the uk welfare office with your birth cert and uk passport (i assume you have two) and they'll sort you out.

Stay with familly or friends back in northern ireland for a while when applying for an ni number. Use their address for prof of residence in the uk.

hiho1967

350125GO! wrote: »

Seeing as you are british by birth you'd be fine. Just go into the uk welfare office with your birth cert and uk passport (i assume you have two) and they'll sort you out.

Stay with familly or friends back in northern ireland for a while when applying for an ni number. Use their address for prof of residence in the uk.

Ill let you off with that british at birth comment, im irish and always have been. I was born in ireland!

Ill look into it more during teh week to see where i stand, thanks for your reply

getz

hiho1967 wrote: »

Ill let you off with that british at birth comment, im irish and always have been. I was born in ireland!

Ill look into it more during teh week to see where i stand, thanks for your reply

there are two irish newspapers published for the irish in england,the irish post and the irish world,both have personal columns to help irish people working and living in the UK,but if i can give you a tip,leave that irish/british thing at home or you will be in for a rough ride ,