TV Licence yes or no

tonyheaney

Do I need a TV licence if I can't receive television? I dont have Saorview ? My TV simply doe NOT receive any signal, its in the kitchen and i use it for the dvd player only. again THERE IS NO SIGNAL and the tv

as far as wiki says: Television (TV) is a telecommunication medium for transmitting and receiving moving images that can be monochrome (black-and-white) or colored, with or without accompanying sound. "Television" may also refer specifically to a television set, television programming, or television transmission.

My TV does not receive or transmit anything any more

The Cush

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runawaybishop

Its still a tv, you need a license.

MadYaker

I watch DVDs and TV shows on my PC. I don't need a TV license.

Super hoop

What's a tv licence......lol.i rarely watch Irish tv.i pay for sky tv in my house €97pm.i won't be getting one anytime soon.
What does a tv licence look like??I've never actually seen one!!

MadYaker

Yeah there is a TV in our house but we don't have a license either haha. We keep the curtains closed so you can't see it from outside, if an inspector comes around tell him you don't have a TV. Problem solved.

winston_1

tonyheaney wrote: »

Do I need a TV licence if I can't receive television? I dont have Saorview ? My TV simply doe NOT receive any signal, its in the kitchen and i use it for the dvd player only. again THERE IS NO SIGNAL and the tv

as far as wiki says: Television (TV) is a telecommunication medium for transmitting and receiving moving images that can be monochrome (black-and-white) or colored, with or without accompanying sound. "Television" may also refer specifically to a television set, television programming, or television transmission.

My TV does not receive or transmit anything any more

The law says you need a licence. Sell your TV on ebay and buy a monitor. That will cost less than an ongoing licence.

Rasmus

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah there is a TV in our house but we don't have a license either haha. We keep the curtains closed so you can't see it from outside, if an inspector comes around tell him you don't have a TV. Problem solved.

Thanks a joke, right?

winston_1

Super hoop wrote: »

What's a tv licence......lol.i rarely watch Irish tv.i pay for sky tv in my house €97pm.i won't be getting one anytime soon.
What does a tv licence look like??I've never actually seen one!!

So you do watch Irish TV. And you certainly watch TV.

You are quite content to steal from your fellow taxpayers? You are no better than a bank robber.

winston_1

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah there is a TV in our house but we don't have a license either haha. We keep the curtains closed so you can't see it from outside, if an inspector comes around tell him you don't have a TV. Problem solved.

You are quite content to steal from your fellow taxpayers? You are no better than a bank robber.

MadYaker

Rasmus wrote: »

Thanks a joke, right?

Nope. We've been going for 3 years now with no license. Why would I pay a ridiculous tax whos sole purpose is to line the pockets of tubridy and all the other degenerates in RTE when I never watch any of the crap that they put out every week? And don't say "because its the law", I don't care, if I'm extremely unlikely to get caught then I'm happy to ignore it.

MadYaker

winston_1 wrote: »

You are quite content to steal from your fellow taxpayers? You are no better than a bank robber.

Bite me. I pay enough tax as it is.

Rasmus

MadYaker wrote: »

Nope. We've been going for 3 years now with no license. Why would I pay a ridiculous tax whos sole purpose is to line the pockets of tubridy and all the other degenerates in RTE when I never watch any of the crap that they put out every week? And don't say "because its the law", I don't care, if I'm extremely unlikely to get caught then I'm happy to ignore it.

You do realise that they don't need to actually see your TV to know that you have one?

runawaybishop

MadYaker wrote: »

Nope. We've been going for 3 years now with no license. Why would I pay a ridiculous tax whos sole purpose is to line the pockets of tubridy and all the other degenerates in RTE when I never watch any of the crap that they put out every week? And don't say "because its the law", I don't care, if I'm extremely unlikely to get caught then I'm happy to ignore it.

What you do is your decision. You shouldn't be advocating breaking the law here though.

MadYaker

There have been multiple threads on this website about TV licenses where multiple people have said they have never had one. I have yet to hear of any of them getting dragged in front of a judge because of it.

Rasmus

MadYaker wrote: »

There have been multiple threads on this website about TV licenses where multiple people have said they have never had one. I have yet to hear of any of them getting dragged in front of a judge because of it.

My friend did and was fined.

runawaybishop

MadYaker wrote: »

There have been multiple threads on this website about TV licenses where multiple people have said they have never had one. I have yet to hear of any of them getting dragged in front of a judge because of it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056426187

Super hoop

winston_1 wrote: »

So you do watch Irish TV. And you certainly watch TV.

You are quite content to steal from your fellow taxpayers? You are no better than a bank robber.

Bank robber...lol
I pay to have satalite tv from the UK.rte is a joke tv network. I never have and never will own a tv licence.don't see why i should pay for a service i don't use. I pay my taxes like anyone else.so less of the name calling.

MadYaker

Rasmus wrote: »

You do realise that they don't need to actually see your TV to know that you have one?

O rly? How are they to find out then? We live on the second floor of an appartment block so its not like theres an aerial sticking out of our roof.

runawaybishop

Super hoop wrote: »

I never have and never will own a tv licence....... I pay my taxes like anyone else

No, you do not.

sligotrain

Super hoop wrote: »

Bank robber...lol
I pay to have satalite tv from the UK.rte is a joke tv network. I never have and never will own a tv licence.don't see why i should pay for a service i don't use. I pay my taxes like anyone else.so less of the name calling.

The TV Licence is a licence to own a television receiver. It does not grant you the right to watch Irish TV. And you don't pay your way so what else should you be called? I'd call you a thief to be honest.

Rasmus

MadYaker wrote: »

O rly. How are they to find out them? We live on the second floor of an appartment block so its not like theres an aerial sticking out of our roof.

Well less likely in an apartment block to be honest, but if you subscribe to SKY they send your details on to the television commission etc.

runawaybishop

Rasmus wrote: »

Well less likely in an apartment block to be honest, but if you subscribe to SKY they send your details on to the television commission etc.

Surely the data protection act prohibits this?

Johnboy1951

Super hoop wrote: »

Bank robber...lol
I pay to have satalite tv from the UK.rte is a joke tv network. I never have and never will own a tv licence.don't see why i should pay for a service i don't use. I pay my taxes like anyone else.so less of the name calling.

So you pay the UK Licence do you?

The sooner we get a universal charge to cover this licence the sooner those who do not pay their share will be forced to pay.

Do wonder if, with all the dodgers then having to pay, if the fee could be reduced ..... that would be something!

MadYaker

Rasmus wrote: »

My friend did and was fined.

Really? well then surely it was reported in the media since it was the first time a minor offender was tracked via IP to his actual address, found to not have a TV license, brought to court and convicted from posting this website. Please provide proof of this as I simply don't believe you.

It takes a lot of time and effort for the gardai to track people to their home address that way and I highly doubt they would bother just to get some guy for not paying his TV license. Can you tell me which boards.ie poster it was so I can talk to him about it?

We're not subscribed to sky or anything like that. I think there are some clauses in the data protection act in relation to serious offenders like people downloading child porn etc. But not for people dodging a bit of tax. No way.

Super hoop

runawaybishop wrote: »

No, you do not.

Last time i checked,tv licence was NOT a tax!!!!
I hate paying motor tax,but i do because i use em.
Im not paying for a service i don't use. End of!!!

Rasmus

runawaybishop wrote: »

Surely the data protection act prohibits this?

You're right and I didn't think of that - it is something I heard. Perhaps it is that SKY informs them that a new account was set up in address.

Super hoop

sligotrain wrote: »

The TV Licence is a licence to own a television receiver. It does not grant you the right to watch Irish TV. And you don't pay your way so what else should you be called? I'd call you a thief to be honest.

Pay for a service i don't use...now that's funny!!

Rasmus

MadYaker wrote: »

Really? well then surely it was reported in the media since it was the first time a minor offender was tracked via IP to his actual address, found to not have a TV license, brought to court and convicted from posting this website. Please provide proof of this as I simply don't believe you.

It takes a lot of time and effort for the gardai to track people to their home address that way and I highly doubt they would bother just to get some guy for not paying his TV license. Can you tell me which boards.ie poster it was so I can talk to him about it?

What are you on about? Minor? Boards poster?

MadYaker

Rasmus wrote: »

What are you on about? Minor? Boards poster?

Not paying your TV license is a minor offence. You said a friend of yours who posts on boards was brought to court for not paying his TV license, was he caught because he posted it on boards? That is what you said.

Rasmus

MadYaker wrote: »

Not paying your TV license is a minor offence. You said a friend of yours who posts on boards was brought to court for not paying his TV license, was he caught because he posted it on boards? That is what you said.

No I didn't - I guess this is what you understood. I said my friend was sent to court and was fined for not having a TV licence. Also, minor offender doesn't mean what you think it means.

newbie2

MadYaker wrote: »

... We keep the curtains closed so you can't see it from outside,....

MadYaker wrote: »

....We live on the second floor of an appartment block .....

MMM, Me smells BS. Tall inspectors around where you live eh?

MadYaker

MadYaker wrote: »

There have been multiple threads on this website about TV licenses where multiple people have said they have never had one. I have yet to hear of any of them getting dragged in front of a judge because of it.

You replied to the above post with this reply:

Rasmus wrote: »

My friend did and was fined.

You are contradicting yourself. Anyway this thread is going nowhere.

MadYaker

newbie2 wrote: »

MMM, Me smells BS. Tall inspectors around where you live eh?

No but you can't be too careful. Other appartments can see into our sitting room.

sligotrain

Super hoop wrote: »

Pay for a service i don't use...now that's funny!!

I'll repeat myself in case you didn't understand my post.

The TV licence is a licence to own a TV. That's it. It is not a charge for RTE TV even though the bulk of the money raised pays for RTE.

If you own a TV and only use it to watch Sky Sports or UTV you need a TV licence. If you deliberately evade your licence you are committing an offence. In my opinion you are a thief. Simple.

Super hoop

sligotrain wrote: »

I'll repeat myself in case you didn't understand my post.

The TV licence is a licence to own a TV. That's it. It is not a charge for RTE TV even though the bulk of the money raised pays for RTE.

If you own a TV and only use it to watch Sky Sports or UTV you need a TV licence. If you deliberately evade your licence you are committing an offence. In my opinion you are a thief. Simple.

I understood you earlier post.as the licence is used to fund rte(a service i don't use).i choose not to buy a licence.
Thankfully for me you opinion means nothing to me!! Typical keyboard warrior calling people names!highly doubt you would call me names to my face!!

watty

The TV licence also partly funds TG4, TV3 and very strangely and total misuse, Setanta.

People can choose not to do things. Like buy car insurance. But it's criminal if you have a Car on the Road.

If you don't like laws, then lobby to change them. But Breaking them is criminal. It's often indirectly damaging everyone else and thus immoral too.

elsie1b

Super hoop wrote: »

What's a tv licence......lol.i rarely watch Irish tv.i pay for sky tv in my house €97pm.i won't be getting one anytime soon.
What does a tv licence look like??I've never actually seen one!!

Sky legally have to forward your address to the tv licence people.

runawaybishop

elsie1b wrote: »

Sky legally have to forward your address to the tv licence people.

Do you have a source for that? I dont see how this can be true.

charlemont

winston_1 wrote: »

The law says you need a licence. Sell your TV on ebay and buy a monitor. That will cost less than an ongoing licence.

Sure what the law says and what ones does are two different things..

charlemont

runawaybishop wrote: »

Do you have a source for that? I dont see how this can be true.

Its actually true. That's why its best not to have a subscription to Sky. I receive all the free UK channels as it is with no subscription.

runawaybishop

charlemont wrote: »

Its actually true. That's why its best not to have a subscription to Sky. I receive all the free UK channels as it is with no subscription.

Do you have a source though, i cant find one myself and i do not see how sky can give someone details away under the data protection laws we have.

Super hoop

elsie1b wrote: »

Sky legally have to forward your address to the tv licence people.

If an inspector knocks on my door so be it.id get a licence then.its not like id have to pay for all the years i didn't have one.its just a unless licence much like a dog licence.fyi i have 2dogs and both have licences!!

charlemont

runawaybishop wrote: »

Do you have a source though, i cant find one myself and i do not see how sky can give someone details away under the data protection laws we have.

I had a subscription with Chorus years ago and within weeks the TV license letter had my name on it !!

There was something in the media about this back around 03/04 I wouldn't say it was true unless I was certain..

runawaybishop

charlemont wrote: »

I had a subscription with Chorus years ago and within weeks the TV license letter had my name on it !!

There was something in the media about this back around 03/04 I wouldn't say it was true unless I was certain..

If you are certain then you kinda need to be able to prove it. I can give you anecdotal evidence of people with a sky subscription for years who never received anything about a tv license.

watty

In the UK, people selling TVs and TV services certainly had to notify the Licence people in the past. Don't know if it's true now. Anyway such legislation can be exempt from normal Data Protection rules.

Here they just assume everyone has a receiving apparatus unless they prove they have not.

People that watch live TV by any method from ANY channel without a TV licence are selfish parasitical criminals that the rest of us are paying for.

BTW, a court order can be got to identify time an IP of someone breaking the law (and encouraging breaking of some laws can be a crime too), then a court order with ISP to identify household or Mobile using that IP. I have physically seen such court orders, they are real.

Super hoop

watty wrote: »

In the UK, people selling TVs and TV services certainly had to notify the Licence people in the past. Don't know if it's true now. Anyway such legislation can be exempt from normal Data Protection rules.

Here they just assume everyone has a receiving apparatus unless they prove they have not.

People that watch live TV by any method from ANY channel without a TV licence are selfish parasitical criminals that the rest of us are paying for.

BTW, a court order can be got to identify time an IP of someone breaking the law (and encouraging breaking of some laws can be a crime too), then a court order with ISP to identify household or Mobile using that IP. I have physically seen such court orders, they are real.

So if i watch tv on my smartphone i need a licence?? Is that per household or per device?

charlemont

runawaybishop wrote: »

If you are certain then you kinda need to be able to prove it. I can give you anecdotal evidence of people with a sky subscription for years who never received anything about a tv license.

You must be one thick **** if you couldn't even find this..http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/motoring/sky-ntl-and-chorus-to-weed-out-tvlicence-spongers-496860.html

charlemont

watty wrote: »

In the UK, people selling TVs and TV services certainly had to notify the Licence people in the past. Don't know if it's true now. Anyway such legislation can be exempt from normal Data Protection rules.

Here they just assume everyone has a receiving apparatus unless they prove they have not.

People that watch live TV by any method from ANY channel without a TV licence are selfish parasitical criminals that the rest of us are paying for.

BTW, a court order can be got to identify time an IP of someone breaking the law (and encouraging breaking of some laws can be a crime too), then a court order with ISP to identify household or Mobile using that IP. I have physically seen such court orders, they are real.

I'm shaking with fear here now..
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/youll-be-back-from-prison-in-time-for-your-dinner-what-really-happens-when-you-dont-pay-your-tv-licence-146185-May2011/

johnmcdnl

Rasmus wrote: »

Well less likely in an apartment block to be honest, but if you subscribe to SKY they send your details on to the television commission etc.

Can't you just hook a sky box up to a computer monitor with a HDMI cable? (or say you do)

watty

Super hoop wrote: »

So if i watch tv on my smartphone i need a licence?? Is that per household or per device?

Phones are exempt. It's one licence per premises. Always has been. If a bed sit has its own kitchen it's counted as separate. A Portable TV is covered by premises licence if it's not used on mains elsewhere. A mounted Mobile home or Holiday cottage is a separate premise.

The laws are quite clear on this.