New Gaming Build for 800?

VinLieger

Ok so came here to get advice on my first build a while ago and considering its managed to last 4 years with only 1 new piece of equipment it makes sense to come back for more help on my new build

Im looking to build a new machine, primarily for gaming, probably wont have the funds till early december or the new year but wanted to get my plan together.

As the title states im willing to put about 800 into it. I have a GTX 560 graphics card i picked up last year that im gonna transfer over so dont need a new card and im ok for a screen, but the price is gonna need to incorporate a new OS, windows 7 or 8 im not pushy and would love some advice on those if anyones in the know.
I am looking to put a SSD into it as well for the OS along with maybe another 1TB HD. Also wouldnt mind this thing lasting a while, like maybe another 4 years so a good bit of memory(16GB?) and a decent processor. Ive had a look around but as ive been not bothered about this for so long just dont have a clue about components and all the fiddly little numbers that follow their product names.
Not too bothered on a case, tbh if the thing works im happy doesnt matter what it looks like but cooling is always important i suppose.
Im also intending to go through HWV as i did so last time and had no issues, unless im advised otherwise.

Anyway hope thats enough info and all advice would be greatly appreciated

Edit: woo post 1500

MRTULES

Some thing to get you started

Item|Price
2 x 8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz CL9|€70.94
WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€68.10
BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil|€53.03
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W|€54.98
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€208.05
ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€87.14
Samsung SSD 830 256GB SATA III Basic|€156.45
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€717.68

Genghiz Cohen

16GB of RAM is entirely excessive unless you are rendering video or something. There is also little point in paying for RAM faster than 1333MHz.
If you have no interest in overclocking then the Z series motherboard (ASRock Z77 Pro3)and the unlocked processor (i5-3570K) have no use.

Item|Price
BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil|€53.03
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W|€54.98
Samsung SSD 830 256GB SATA III Basic|€156.45
WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€68.10
8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€28.15
ASUS P8H61 R2.0, Sockel 1155, ATX, DDR3|€63.87
Intel Core i5-3570 Box, LGA1155|€187.04
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€630.61

I'd change the RAM anyway, but if you think at some stage you may feel like overclocking, MRTULES' build is nice.

VinLieger

Nice builds, think im gonna go with 16gb ram though as i might be doing game design stuff on it as well, with Unity, 3ds max etc and dont wanna run into a wall like i have with my current one even though 8 is probably enough.
Also was thinking of going 650w power supply just for possible future expansion sake, but yeah the cpu and mother board thing is a good point ive no intention of going into overclocking

VinLieger

Okay heres what ive come up with anyone see any glaring errors? Have to get a copy of windows 7 or 8 on top of this as well, so pretty close to my 800 budget

Item|Price
BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil|€53.03
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W|€54.03
Samsung SSD 830 256GB SATA III Basic|€155.39
WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€67.19
16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance schwarz PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24|€76.45
ASRock B75 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€70.34
Intel Core i5-3570 Box, LGA1155|€187.04
Samsung SH-224BB bare schwarz|€18.52
Total|€681.98

Serephucus

Spend the extra money and get a Z77 board and a 3570K. €30 extra for a huge amount of extra performance.

VinLieger

Serephucus wrote: »

Spend the extra money and get a Z77 board and a 3570K. €30 extra for a huge amount of extra performance.

Yeah but only if i go into overclocking? which i dont intend to do

Jaafa

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah but only if i go into overclocking? which i dont intend to do

I would seriously reconsider, its really not too hard and could make your processor last 5 plus years.

frozenfrozen

You'll kick yourself later if you don't allow for overclocking now. It's incredibly easy, and will give you so much more performance for the price

VinLieger

Jaafa wrote: »

I would seriously reconsider, its really not too hard and could make your processor last 5 plus years.

I suppose my main concern is doesnt overclocking require a heatsink instead of the standard cpu cooler? Dont have the budget for one right now with everything else, but i probably could pick one up down the line

Serephucus

VinLieger wrote: »

I suppose my main concern is doesnt overclocking require a heatsink instead of the standard cpu cooler? Dont have the budget for one right now with everything else, but i probably could pick one up down the line

And that's exactly why you should spend the money now. Much easier to add a cooler later on than buy a very similar motherboard, and very similar processor later on.

They're also not that expensive. A decent one is around €30. I dunno if the total of €60 would push your budget too far or not.

VinLieger

Serephucus wrote: »

And that's exactly why you should spend the money now. Much easier to add a cooler later on than buy a very similar motherboard, and very similar processor later on.

They're also not that expensive. A decent one is around €30. I dunno if the total of €60 would push your budget too far or not.

Okay ill think about it, do you have a link for a guide or 2 that could get me started? most likely wont have the cash for this till next month at the earliest but more likely the new year so plenty of time to decide

VinLieger

Allright slightly confused as to what the difference is between these 2 boards and why one is better for overclocking?

ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX
ASRock B75 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX

Serephucus

The B75 chipset doesn't support overclocking at all. The Z77 chipset does. It's a limitation implemented by Intel; it's not that one is better for it than the other, it's just that one will do it and one won't.

VinLieger

Serephucus wrote: »

The B75 chipset doesn't support overclocking at all. The Z77 chipset does. It's a limitation implemented by Intel; it's not that one is better for it than the other, it's just that one will do it and one won't.

Grand so will have a good look into all this again now, thanks for the help

VinLieger

Just getting round to ordering this and find out that HWV has run out of the samsung 830 SSDs apparently they have been discontinued and replaced with from what ive read the very inferior and unreliable 840.
Anyway dabs still have a few 830 256gbs left, however it specifies its the laptop upgrade kit? What does this mean exactly? And will it work for a desktop?

marco_polo

No difference just some extra cloning Software on a CD best I can tell.

tuxy

comes with a sata to usb adaptor and a bracket that you would need to install it into some laptops.
If you want to get everything in one order this is a good drive that I have used for over a year.

http://lb.hardwareversand.de/Solid-State-Disk/46110/Crucial+M4+128GB+SSD+6%2C4cm+%282%2C5%29.article

VinLieger

Ahh grand,one other thing been reading a few things saying norton ghost doesnt work with windows 8, would it be worth it to switch to 7 as that samsung ssd comes with a free version of ghost or is there other decent free backup software out there?

Genghiz Cohen

As a rule, ignore anything with Norton written on it.

VinLieger

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

As a rule, ignore anything with Norton written on it.

Yeah i normally do but..... free stuff

challengemaster

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah i normally do but..... free stuff

I can also give you free money, I just require all your bank details :pac:

tuxy

I have heard this is good

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

But don't have experience using it.

VinLieger

Yeah **** it, bought it, it'll be grand

VinLieger

About to put the order in for this, just been waiting for everything to be in stock, and realised ive got no cpu cooler, any recommendations?

challengemaster

Depends if you're going with a Z77 board or not (overclocking). If you are with the intention of overclocking, I'd be looking at a Corsair H80i or H100i. If not, and you just want good temps and quiet, Scythe Mugen 3 is a good well priced cooler

VinLieger

challengemaster wrote: »

Depends if you're going with a Z77 board or not (overclocking). If you are with the intention of overclocking, I'd be looking at a Corsair H80i or H100i. If not, and you just want good temps and quiet, Scythe Mugen 3 is a good well priced cooler

Yeah going with the z77 and 3570k so looking to eventually overclock but prefer not to use watercooling

challengemaster

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah going with the z77 and 3570k so looking to eventually overclock but prefer not to use watercooling

The corsair units are self contained, fully sealed coolers - there's no actual watercooling setup involved. It's exactly the same (if not easier) than using an air cooler.

Serephucus

It's easier. The socket mounting is much less fiddly than with air coolers (IMO).

VinLieger

Yes but there is a large difference in price between fan and watercooling and im already overbudget

VinLieger

Any fan cooler suggestions?

challengemaster

I'm missing something here...

Not one post here (with a build in it) is anywhere close to €800, so how you've ended up over budget is beyond me.

Scythe Katana 4
Scythe Mugen 3

Serephucus

Very good point! OP, what's your budget, as it stands now?

VinLieger

My budget was 800

Current basket on HWV comes to 645, not including 30 euro delivery

Includes copy of
win8 - 85,
WD 1tb HD - 64,
Bitfenix case - 53,
PSU - 58,
optical drive - 17,
16gb ram - 74,
3570k - 205,
asrock z77 pro3 motherboard - 85.

I also picked up a 256gb samsung 830 SSD off dabs.ie for 200(including delivery) as from what i had read they were the most reliable and best performing out there and HWV had run out as it was a discontinued line being replaced with the inferior 840

So now my total cost is at 875(including delivery) from the original budget of 800 and id really like to not go too far over 900

MRTULES

So if I'm not mistaken this is what your left with?
I picked one of the heat sinks from above post and added it in.

Item|Price
Scythe Mugen 3, für alle Sockel geeignet|€37.17
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€205.99
WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€64.17
BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil|€53.03
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W|€58.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€85.04
2 x 8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€67.00
Microsoft Windows 8 64-Bit (SB-Version)|€85.04
LG GH24NS bare schwarz|€18.34
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€693.76

VinLieger

Yup looks like it except going with this ram 16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance schwarz PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24

And this drive Samsung SH-224BB bare schwarz

Altogether with the scythe cooler and shipping looks to work out at about 700 on HWV so around 900 altogether thanks for the help

MRTULES

Im sure you know but just in case you dont. The CPU comes with a cooler already. This will do you fine until you want to overclock. Just letting you know. It makes sense getting it now but if you are 100% sure your not going to over clock for a while then you could leave it out for now and see about picking one up when needed

VinLieger

MRTULES wrote: »

Im sure you know but just in case you dont. The CPU comes with a cooler already. This will do you fine until you want to overclock. Just letting you know. It makes sense getting it now but if you are 100% sure your not going to over clock for a while then you could leave it out for now and see about picking one up when needed

I know and kinda been on the fence about it but thought i might as well pick it up now as the shipping price of everything from HWV is pretty cheap compared to buying 1 item from them or someone esle, also they're prices are way better than most others as well

VinLieger

Actually on second though gonna leave the cooler out for know and pick up a corsair water cooler if and when i do plan to try overclocking, checked the info and yeah you guys are right much more potential than a simple fan thanks again

VinLieger

Right back again to bother you all , hadnt anticipated having to wait 3-4 days + a weekend to set up my online bank transfer stuff before i can actually pay so been having a little rethink and decided i might be able to pick up the h80 as suggested above, however ive realised through a bit of research the 1 fan supplied with the case may not be enough for airflow needs?

challengemaster

VinLieger wrote: »

Right back again to bother you all , hadnt anticipated having to wait 3-4 days + a weekend to set up my online bank transfer stuff before i can actually pay so been having a little rethink and decided i might be able to pick up the h80 as suggested above, however ive realised through a bit of research the 1 fan supplied with the case may not be enough for airflow needs?

Really you don't need to go overkill on cooling. There's 2 fans in the shinobi (as far as I can tell) - one intake at the hard drives, and an exhaust at the rear.

Once the CPU is properly cooled that's the main thing. The intake will cool the mechanical HDD, the SSD doesn't need cooling tbh. PSU has its own fan built in. GPU has a cooling solution built in too, and thats designed to handle cooling the card for it's life. There aren't really any other temps apart from CPU/GPU to worry about.

If you go with the H80, you could use the stock exhaust fan on the case as another intake at the top, but really there's no need IMO.

Also there's a few euros difference, but the H80i is a newer, better version of the H80. Also the H80 is out of stock.

http://lb.hardwareversand.de/Intel+AMD/71315/Corsair+Hydro+Series+H80i.article

VinLieger

I thought there was 2 fans as well but it seems that might be only for the windowed version, and the normal version only has 1.
Yeah was gonna go for the 80i as well and put it on the rear vent but everything ive read suggests having the h80 as an intake for best results which means i would probably need one more fan to either put on top as an exhaust so i could use the stock one as an intake on the front or vice versa.

rafapietrzyk

So for 800 you can buy really nice PC
That what i can offer you

Processor: Intel core i5 3570K 3.4GHz - 219 euro
http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/intel_socket_1155/80005583/intel_core_i5_3570k_3_4ghz_6mb_s1155/details.aspx
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 - 170 euro
http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/intel_socket_1155/20155639/asrock_z77_extreme6_socket_1155_atx/details.aspx
Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced - 99,50 euro
http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/midi_tower/20099523/cooler_master_cm_690_ii_advanced_mid_tower_atx/details.aspx
Power Supply: Thermaltake - SMART Series - 550W - 70 euro
http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/power_supplies/20136912/thermaltake_smart_series_550w/details.aspx
Hard Drive: WD 1TB 3,5" SATA-600 7200rpm 64MB - 75 euro
http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/intern_3_5_/20170310/wd_1tb_3_5_sata_600_7200rpm_64mb/details.aspx
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD 64GB 2.5" SATA-600 - 77 euro
http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/ssd/80002929/crucial_m4_ssd_64gb_2_5_sata_600/details.aspx
DVD: LG GH24NS95 Super Multi - Disk drive - DVD±RW - 27 euro
http://www.komplett.ie/komplett/product/dvd/20183104/lg_gh24ns95_super_multi_disk_drive_dvd_rw_%28_r/details.aspx

You have 767 euro and You have really fast PC! first My Motherboard is very good check test! is very good for Ivy Bridge as well well done to overclocking to 4.7 Ghz! low temperatures.
Second Processor is most better how i5 2500K and is Games sometimes is better how i7 2700K check test!
Third My case is one from the best case! check test!
Next Power Supply Thermaltake is one the best company which made power supply check test and second thing this is modular model!!
SSD: You dont needed 128GB because the SSD must be only for system files that 64 GB is better.

tuxy

Why komplett? It works out more expensive even with "free" shipping.

Most overclock builds with z77 pro 3 can get to 4.5
Is it worth paying twice as much for the extreme 6 even though it is a nice board.

VinLieger

WTF? EVERYTHING works out cheaper on HWV why would i bother with komplett?
Anyway already got my build sorted and hopefully paid for tomorrow, why would i go for a smaller SSD? makes no sense since im looking to run my OS, Steam and a few other programs off it so 64 is simply not enough.
Was just wondering if another fan is neccessary, tbh probably gonna pick one up anyway not that expensive and dont have to use it if i dont need it

challengemaster

rafapietrzyk wrote: »

You have 767 euro and You have really fast PC! first My Motherboard is very good check test! is very good for Ivy Bridge as well well done to overclocking to 4.7 Ghz! low temperatures.
Second Processor is most better how i5 2500K and is Games sometimes is better how i7 2700K check test!
Third My case is one from the best case! check test!
Next Power Supply Thermaltake is one the best company which made power supply check test and second thing this is modular model!!
SSD: You dont needed 128GB because the SSD must be only for system files that 64 GB is better.

Did anyone else read this like it's a spambot?

Also I'd love to know where they got the idea that Thermaltake is one of the best PSU manufacturers.

tuxy

You went with the Shinobi case? It comes with an intake fan on the front and exhaust on the back. You could put an intake on the top but you probably won't make much difference.

VinLieger

tuxy wrote: »

You went with the Shinobi case? It comes with an intake fan on the front and exhaust on the back. You could put an intake on the top but you probably won't make much difference.

Yeah i thought it came with 2 but ive seen conflicting reports and images that suggest the version without the window only comes with 1, the plan was to put the H80 on the back as an intake, 1 of the stock on the front as an intake and then the other on top as exhaust

tuxy

challengemaster wrote: »

Did anyone else read this like it's a spambot?

Also I'd love to know where they got the idea that Thermaltake is one of the best PSU manufacturers.

It seems to happen every once in a while you get this random nonsensical advice from a new user. They very rarely come back after the initial post.
(not having a go at new users btw)

tuxy

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah i thought it came with 2 but ive seen conflicting reports and images that suggest the version without the window only comes with 1, the plan was to put the H80 on the back as an intake, 1 of the stock on the front as an intake and then the other on top as exhaust

I would put h80 as exhaust on back and fan on front as intake.

No point using the h80 to intake warm air into the case.

VinLieger

tuxy wrote: »

I would put h80 as exhaust on back and fan on front as intake.

No point using the h80 to intake warm air into the case.

Its just from what ive read you get better temps off the h80 when using it as an intake