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New Gaming Build for 800?

  • 14-11-2012 12:29AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭


    Ok so came here to get advice on my first build a while ago and considering its managed to last 4 years with only 1 new piece of equipment it makes sense to come back for more help on my new build :)

    Im looking to build a new machine, primarily for gaming, probably wont have the funds till early december or the new year but wanted to get my plan together.

    As the title states im willing to put about 800 into it. I have a GTX 560 graphics card i picked up last year that im gonna transfer over so dont need a new card and im ok for a screen, but the price is gonna need to incorporate a new OS, windows 7 or 8 im not pushy and would love some advice on those if anyones in the know.
    I am looking to put a SSD into it as well for the OS along with maybe another 1TB HD. Also wouldnt mind this thing lasting a while, like maybe another 4 years so a good bit of memory(16GB?) and a decent processor. Ive had a look around but as ive been not bothered about this for so long just dont have a clue about components and all the fiddly little numbers that follow their product names.
    Not too bothered on a case, tbh if the thing works im happy doesnt matter what it looks like but cooling is always important i suppose.
    Im also intending to go through HWV as i did so last time and had no issues, unless im advised otherwise.

    Anyway hope thats enough info and all advice would be greatly appreciated

    Edit: woo post 1500


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭MRTULES




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    16GB of RAM is entirely excessive unless you are rendering video or something. There is also little point in paying for RAM faster than 1333MHz.
    If you have no interest in overclocking then the Z series motherboard (ASRock Z77 Pro3)and the unlocked processor (i5-3570K) have no use.

    Item|Price
    BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil|€53.03
    Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W|€54.98
    Samsung SSD 830 256GB SATA III Basic|€156.45
    WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€68.10
    8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€28.15
    ASUS P8H61 R2.0, Sockel 1155, ATX, DDR3|€63.87
    Intel Core i5-3570 Box, LGA1155|€187.04
    Shipping|€18.99
    Total|€630.61

    I'd change the RAM anyway, but if you think at some stage you may feel like overclocking, MRTULES' build is nice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Nice builds, think im gonna go with 16gb ram though as i might be doing game design stuff on it as well, with Unity, 3ds max etc and dont wanna run into a wall like i have with my current one even though 8 is probably enough.
    Also was thinking of going 650w power supply just for possible future expansion sake, but yeah the cpu and mother board thing is a good point ive no intention of going into overclocking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Okay heres what ive come up with anyone see any glaring errors? Have to get a copy of windows 7 or 8 on top of this as well, so pretty close to my 800 budget

    Item|Price
    BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil|€53.03
    Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W|€54.03
    Samsung SSD 830 256GB SATA III Basic|€155.39
    WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€67.19
    16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance schwarz PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24|€76.45
    ASRock B75 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€70.34
    Intel Core i5-3570 Box, LGA1155|€187.04
    Samsung SH-224BB bare schwarz|€18.52
    Total|€681.98


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    Spend the extra money and get a Z77 board and a 3570K. €30 extra for a huge amount of extra performance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Serephucus wrote: »
    Spend the extra money and get a Z77 board and a 3570K. €30 extra for a huge amount of extra performance.

    Yeah but only if i go into overclocking? which i dont intend to do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yeah but only if i go into overclocking? which i dont intend to do

    I would seriously reconsider, its really not too hard and could make your processor last 5 plus years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    You'll kick yourself later if you don't allow for overclocking now. It's incredibly easy, and will give you so much more performance for the price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Jaafa wrote: »
    I would seriously reconsider, its really not too hard and could make your processor last 5 plus years.

    I suppose my main concern is doesnt overclocking require a heatsink instead of the standard cpu cooler? Dont have the budget for one right now with everything else, but i probably could pick one up down the line


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I suppose my main concern is doesnt overclocking require a heatsink instead of the standard cpu cooler? Dont have the budget for one right now with everything else, but i probably could pick one up down the line

    And that's exactly why you should spend the money now. Much easier to add a cooler later on than buy a very similar motherboard, and very similar processor later on.

    They're also not that expensive. A decent one is around €30. I dunno if the total of €60 would push your budget too far or not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Serephucus wrote: »
    And that's exactly why you should spend the money now. Much easier to add a cooler later on than buy a very similar motherboard, and very similar processor later on.

    They're also not that expensive. A decent one is around €30. I dunno if the total of €60 would push your budget too far or not.

    Okay ill think about it, do you have a link for a guide or 2 that could get me started? most likely wont have the cash for this till next month at the earliest but more likely the new year so plenty of time to decide


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Allright slightly confused as to what the difference is between these 2 boards and why one is better for overclocking?

    ASRock Z77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX
    ASRock B75 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    The B75 chipset doesn't support overclocking at all. The Z77 chipset does. It's a limitation implemented by Intel; it's not that one is better for it than the other, it's just that one will do it and one won't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Serephucus wrote: »
    The B75 chipset doesn't support overclocking at all. The Z77 chipset does. It's a limitation implemented by Intel; it's not that one is better for it than the other, it's just that one will do it and one won't.

    Grand so will have a good look into all this again now, thanks for the help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Just getting round to ordering this and find out that HWV has run out of the samsung 830 SSDs apparently they have been discontinued and replaced with from what ive read the very inferior and unreliable 840.
    Anyway dabs still have a few 830 256gbs left, however it specifies its the laptop upgrade kit? What does this mean exactly? And will it work for a desktop?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    No difference just some extra cloning Software on a CD best I can tell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


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    If you want to get everything in one order this is a good drive that I have used for over a year.

    http://lb.hardwareversand.de/Solid-State-Disk/46110/Crucial+M4+128GB+SSD+6%2C4cm+%282%2C5%29.article


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ahh grand,one other thing been reading a few things saying norton ghost doesnt work with windows 8, would it be worth it to switch to 7 as that samsung ssd comes with a free version of ghost or is there other decent free backup software out there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    As a rule, ignore anything with Norton written on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    As a rule, ignore anything with Norton written on it.

    Yeah i normally do but..... free stuff


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yeah i normally do but..... free stuff

    I can also give you free money, I just require all your bank details :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    I have heard this is good

    http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

    But don't have experience using it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yeah **** it, bought it, it'll be grand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    About to put the order in for this, just been waiting for everything to be in stock, and realised ive got no cpu cooler, any recommendations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Depends if you're going with a Z77 board or not (overclocking). If you are with the intention of overclocking, I'd be looking at a Corsair H80i or H100i. If not, and you just want good temps and quiet, Scythe Mugen 3 is a good well priced cooler


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Depends if you're going with a Z77 board or not (overclocking). If you are with the intention of overclocking, I'd be looking at a Corsair H80i or H100i. If not, and you just want good temps and quiet, Scythe Mugen 3 is a good well priced cooler

    Yeah going with the z77 and 3570k so looking to eventually overclock but prefer not to use watercooling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Yeah going with the z77 and 3570k so looking to eventually overclock but prefer not to use watercooling

    The corsair units are self contained, fully sealed coolers - there's no actual watercooling setup involved. It's exactly the same (if not easier) than using an air cooler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    It's easier. The socket mounting is much less fiddly than with air coolers (IMO).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes but there is a large difference in price between fan and watercooling and im already overbudget


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Any fan cooler suggestions?


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