Uganda to pass 'anti-gay' law as an 'Xmas Gift' to its people.

phoenix999

Is this a country that Ireland should be giving Aid to? (When they are not trying to defraud us of millions in the first place)

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20318436

The Jammy dodger

Sadly there is no oil there so we just let them be.

Richard Hillman

Looks like nobody will be having a gay ol' time round the xmas period in Uganda

Kylo Ren

I wanted an Xbox ffs.

Remmy

feck off Uganda

Spiritual

Did we pay for the gift?

Alias G

In before eat da poo poo

phoenix999

Spiritual wrote: »

Did we pay for the gift?

Well they were getting tens of millions annualy from Ireland in Aid. Until they decided to stick 4 million of it in a secret account. That would sure buy a nice gift.

Spiritual

phoenix999 wrote: »

Well they were getting tens of millions annualy from Ireland in Aid. Until they decided to stick 4 million of it in a secret account. That would sure buy a nice gift.

I hope they included the card we sent.

PC CDROM

So what?

As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

That never ends well....

Madam_X

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

Sadly there is no oil there so we just let them be.

We're America?

Alias G wrote: »

In before eat da poo poo

One of the funniest things ever though IMO.

PC CDROM wrote: »

So what?

As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

That never ends well....

Nobody is imposing anything (not that we have a culture as brutal as this) - we will criticise if we like.

Spiritual

PC CDROM wrote: »

So what?

As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

That never ends well....

**** no. We would ruin the place.

phoenix999

PC CDROM wrote: »

So what?

As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

That never ends well....

One person's morals are another's human rights.

Sky King

Dees seeknas neva see dee light of legalitay in Uganda!

krudler

PC CDROM wrote: »

So what?

As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

That never ends well....

You think its ok for gay people to be jailed?

My name is URL

It's a wonder they haven't banned foreign aid

Foreign AIDS is the worst kind.. even worse than poo-poo AIDS

Cookie_Monster

krudler wrote: »

You think its ok for gay people to be jailed?

that or just head down to thier local witch doctor for a pint of hippo blood and lions balls, will cure them right up.

Bobo78

PC CDROM wrote: »

So what?

As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

That never ends well....

+1

PC CDROM

krudler wrote: »

You think its ok for gay people to be jailed?

I think it is OK for Koreans, Chinese and Vietnamese to eat dogs.

Do you?

krudler

PC CDROM wrote: »

I think it is OK for Koreans, Chinese and Vietnamese to eat dogs.

Do you?

yeah thats exactly the same thing.

Madam_X

Bobo78 wrote: »

+1

Why? "It's their culture, we've no right to criticise" is not enlightened, it's just a meaningless soundbite.

PC CDROM

Madam_X wrote: »

Why? "It's their culture, we've no right to criticise" is not enlightened, it's just a meaningless soundbite.

You said that. no one else.

SafeSurfer

I don't think Ireland can claim the high moral ground on this one. We only decriminalised homosexuality in 1993.

Cavehill Red

Sky King wrote: »

Dees seeknas neva see dee light of legalitay in Uganda!

Yes, let's face down homophobia with some good ole racism. That'll teach them tolerance.

1ZRed

PC CDROM wrote: »

So what?

As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

That never ends well....

The proposition was first planned to implement the death penalty for gay people there but got changed. Do you think that stops hate crimes and murders against them? Not a hope.

So what? Well, yeah leave them be to live repressed lives or suffer severe consequences for something they can't help let alone act on them like anyone would on natural instincts. Out of sight out of mind but imagine of you were punished for just being straight, through no fault of your own, and made to feel like the scum of your culture, you probably can't imagine it, because you ever will feel like that.

Being gay has only been legal here for 19 years. My generation is the first to be born legally into a country where it's acceptable to be gay. That's not to say it's always into open arms but things are progressing well and so they should be.

Death, torture, punishment for just being gay? That's not right at all under any circumstances, no more then it to punish or commit someone for the colour of their skin.

VinLieger

PC CDROM wrote: »

I think it is OK for Koreans, Chinese and Vietnamese to eat dogs.

Do you?

Bit of a difference there, as far as i know dogs arent people, unless your one of these PETA nutjobs and since you think its ok to eat them im guessing you arent.

Uganda is ****ing nuts, they're thinking ethics and morals are in the dark ages, they are assbackwards and would like to stay that way so i think if this hateful law is passed we should cut ALL funding to this disgraceful little cesspit of a so called "country" to show our dissaproval of this close to holocaust mentality. The only reason i say "close to" is because they arent gonna round them up to gas them instead they are gonna just allow them to be slaughtered with no repercussions, which is essentially the way it currently works there except now it will be legal.

Yes i did it, i brought up hitler first so i win the thread

PC CDROM

1ZRed wrote: »

The proposition was first planned to implement the death penalty for gay people there but got changed. Do you think that stops hate crimes and murders against them? Not a hope.

So what? Well, yeah leave them be to live repressed lives or suffer severe consequences for something they can't help let alone act on them like anyone would on natural instincts. Out of sight out of mind but imagine of you were punished for just being straight, through no fault of your own, and made to feel like the scum of your culture, you probably can't imagine it, because you ever will feel like that.

Being gay has only been legal here for 19 years. My generation is the first to be born legally into a country where it's acceptable to be gay. That's not to say it's always into open arms but things are progressing well and so they should be.

Death, torture, punishment for just being gay? That's not right at all under any circumstances, no more then it to punish or commit someone for the colour of their skin.

I kind of agree with you. When you say...

Well, yeah leave them be to live repressed lives or suffer severe consequences for something they can't help let alone act on them like anyone would on natural instincts. Out of sight out of mind but imagine of you were punished for just being straight, through no fault of your own, and made to feel like the scum of your culture, you probably can't imagine it, because you ever will feel like that.

I actually say the same thing about paedophiles and think they are hard done by when they are called "sick" etc

Madam_X

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I don't think Ireland can claim the high moral ground on this one. We only decriminalised homosexuality in 1993.

As individuals we're not "Ireland" - we can criticise both. Most of us were just kids pre 1993.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Yes, let's face down homophobia with some good ole racism. That'll teach them tolerance.

Is poking fun at pronunciation racism?

PC CDROM

Madam_X wrote: »

As individuals we're not "Ireland" - we can criticise both. Most of us were just kids pre 1993.

Is poking fun at pronunciation racism?

By "most of us" I assume you mean you and your friends.

You really want to start expanding your mind beyond "you"

krudler

PC CDROM wrote: »

I kind of agree with you. When you say...

Well, yeah leave them be to live repressed lives or suffer severe consequences for something they can't help let alone act on them like anyone would on natural instincts. Out of sight out of mind but imagine of you were punished for just being straight, through no fault of your own, and made to feel like the scum of your culture, you probably can't imagine it, because you ever will feel like that.

I actually say the same thing about paedophiles and think they are hard done by when they are called "sick" etc

Ah, you're a troll, never mind.

Cavehill Red

Madam_X wrote: »

Is poking fun at pronunciation racism?

If it's meant derogatorily, as here, then yes, it is.

Spiritual

PC CDROM wrote: »

I actually say the same thing about paedophiles and think they are hard done by when they are called "sick" etc

FFS, you are trying too hard.

Madam_X

Most of us on this thread. "We're in no position to criticise" and similar collective responsibility bollocks is just illogical. You could apply it to anything ever. As long as a person isn't repressing homosexuals themselves they can criticise if they wish.

Sparklygirl

Ah now lads, I think we should have stopped giving them aid when it landed in the PMs bank account, sure this just adds insult to injury!

PC CDROM

krudler wrote: »

Ah, you're a troll, never mind.

No. I'm very spiritual and take a great amount of time to find my moral compass.

I meant what I said.

Sorry if you think that's being a troll or whatever. Feel free to point out the flaw in my logic/thoughts/morals etc.

SafeSurfer

Madam_X wrote: »

As individuals we're not "Ireland" - we can criticise both. Most of us were just kids pre 1993.

The op's question was whether "Ireland" should send aid to Uganda in light of their anti gay laws.

And by the way the median age in Ireland is 34.8.

http://www.indexmundi.com/ireland/demographics_profile.html

B.A._Baracus

I kinda get what PC CDROM and what phoenix999 / others are saying.

PC CDROM wrote: »

So what?
As a country they can do as they please. Should we impose our "countries" morals on them? That never ends well....

phoenix999 wrote: »

One person's morals are another's human rights.

Fact is Uganda is it's own country and there for can do what they like. BUT! People or governments have the right to not do business with them or give them aid knowing how they treat homosexual people.

SafeSurfer

Madam_X wrote: »

Why? "It's their culture, we've no right to criticise" is not enlightened, it's just a meaningless soundbite.

In the same way that female genital mutilation is almost universally condemned while male genital mutilation is accepted.

MaxSteele

I'd sooner send a plane to fly around, teasing and dangling see through plastic boxes filled with tens of millions in "aid" money, before I'd actually give it to the homophobic, tribal f*ckers.

Sparklygirl

Do you mean circumcism? Or am I missing something (excuse the pun)?

bunny_colvin

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I don't think Ireland can claim the high moral ground on this one. We only decriminalised homosexuality in 1993.

at what point will we be able to take the moral high ground ?

BillyMitchel

Well its better than a block of crappy cheese!

Pherekydes

PC CDROM wrote: »

Should we impose our "countries" morals on them?

How many countries are we?

jaffacakesyum

PC CDROM wrote: »

No. I'm very spiritual and take a great amount of time to find my moral compass.

I meant what I said.

Sorry if you think that's being a troll or whatever. Feel free to point out the flaw in my logic/thoughts/morals etc.

Ah now you are trying harder.

4/10 for recovering from a bad start.

Corkfeen

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I don't think Ireland can claim the high moral ground on this one. We only decriminalised homosexuality in 1993.

Well I was two so there was little I could do about a remnant law from the times of Henry the 8th. I think it is reprehensible that the law still existed til so recently in Irish history. But we have progressed significantly since then.

PC CDROM wrote: »

By "most of us" I assume you mean you and your friends.

You really want to start expanding your mind beyond "you"

You could benefit from 'expanding your mind beyond "you" ' human rights violations shouldn't be ignored. The current punishment for homosexual acts in Uganda is imprisonment for life. We should constantly draw attention to it and criticise such punishments. Governments should also put diplomatic pressure upon them. Geographical location should not define whether you are accepted into society or not.

PC CDROM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Well I was two so there was little I could do about a remnant law from the times of Henry the 8th. I think it is reprehensible that the law still existed til so recently in Irish history. But we have progressed significantly since then.


You could benefit from 'expanding your mind beyond "you" ' human rights violations shouldn't be ignored. The current punishment for homosexual acts in Uganda is imprisonment for life. We should constantly draw attention to it and criticise such punishments. Governments should also put diplomatic pressure upon them. Geographical location should not define whether you are accepted into society or not.

eh.. and who decided what was punishable?

The Moral police? The UN? Israel? Irish People?

SafeSurfer

Corkfeen wrote: »

Well I was two so there was little I could do about a remnant law from the times of Henry the 8th. I think it is reprehensible that the law still existed til so recently in Irish history. But we have progressed significantly since then.


You could benefit from 'expanding your mind beyond "you" ' human rights violations shouldn't be ignored. The current punishment for homosexual acts in Uganda is imprisonment for life. We should constantly draw attention to it and criticise such punishments. Governments should also put diplomatic pressure upon them. Geographical location should not define whether you are accepted into society or not.

Should we also boycott Saudi oil until they give women the vote, allow them to drive, etc.

Will we all be handing back our iphones and other Apple products because they are manufactured in a country with an atrocious human rights record by a company based in a country with the death penalty and hundreds of foreign prisoners locked up without charge or trial?

Will we f*ck.

Uganda or any other tinpot country is an easy target. We don't have to go that far to get up on our high horse.

PC CDROM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Should we also boycott Saudi oil until they give women the vote, allow them to drive, etc.

Will we all be handing back our iphones and other Apple products because they are manufactured in a country with an atrocious human rights record by a company based in a country with the death penalty and hundreds of foreign prisoners locked up without charge or trial?

Will we f*ck.

Uganda or any other tinpot country is an easy target. We don't have to go that far to get up on our high horse.

Dear God the iPhones/apple thing is just going to mess with too many people heads!!!!

I'm outta here!

Madam_X

Apparently it's wrong to criticise appalling atrocities if your country doesn't have a perfect history/if you don't boycott products from all countries with ruthless governments. Fuk that, people can criticise what they like - we are people, not countries and histories. Objections to such valid criticism looks like going against the grain for the sake of it tbh.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

In the same way that female genital mutilation is almost universally condemned while male genital mutilation is accepted.

Male circumcision is rightly on the receiving end of a backlash now. FGM is more severe though.

MaxSteele wrote: »

I'd sooner send a plane to fly around, teasing and dangling see through plastic boxes filled with tens of millions in "aid" money, before I'd actually give it to the homophobic, tribal f*ckers.

All of them are?

starbelgrade

PC CDROM wrote: »

No. I'm very spiritual and take a great amount of time to find my moral compass.
.

I think you need a map because your moral compass is fucked.

My name is URL

Sparklygirl wrote: »

Do you mean circumcism? Or am I missing something (excuse the pun)?

You're skirting the issue