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Q on mains water pipe ownership answered-now unsure of fittings

  • 13-11-2012 1:51pm
    #1
    gerryo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭


    Hi

    I need answers to basic questions on domestic water supplies. I can't find the answers with google or searching here, so hoping someone can answer a few basic questions.

    1. In a domestic water supply, does the householder own all the pipe from the council stopcock back into the house or just the part inside the property walls?

    2. Anyone know what types of plastic domestic water pipe were in common use in Ireland about 50 years ago?

    3. Do you have to inform the council on works carried out on domestic water pipes on your own property?


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  • #2
    archtech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭archtech


    gerryo wrote: »
    Hi

    I need answers to basic questions on domestic water supplies. I can't find the answers with google or searching here, so hoping someone can answer a few basic questions.

    1. In a domestic water supply, does the householder own all the pipe from the council stopcock back into the house or just the part inside the property walls?

    2. Anyone know what types of plastic domestic water pipe were in common use in Ireland about 50 years ago?

    3. Do you have to inform the council on works carried out on domestic water pipes on your own property?

    Answers
    1. Certainly anything outside of your legal boundary would not be in your ownership. Anything other than is a legal issue and should be discussed with a solicitor and not here.
    2. Its may possibly be lead, otherwise 1/2 plastic for a typical domestic supply.
    3. Generally not assuming your not providing a supply to another property or the pipe is part of a supply to additional properties or is subject to any way leaves/rights of way.


  • #3
    kkelliher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭kkelliher


    gerryo wrote: »
    Hi

    I need answers to basic questions on domestic water supplies. I can't find the answers with google or searching here, so hoping someone can answer a few basic questions.

    1. In a domestic water supply, does the householder own all the pipe from the council stopcock back into the house or just the part inside the property walls?

    2. Anyone know what types of plastic domestic water pipe were in common use in Ireland about 50 years ago?

    3. Do you have to inform the council on works carried out on domestic water pipes on your own property?

    If the stopcock is in the middle of a public footpath (which would be the normal position) you only own the section from the front of your property. Therefore the section from the front of your property to the ballcock would not be owned by you as it is on council property. This has been a source of discussion in respect to the possible location of the water meters and the effect of any leak in this section of pipe.

    In respect to the second point, I have no idea

    In respect to the third point I cannot be 100% but I do recall reading somewhere that Locla Authoriy rules prohibit you from taking any further connections from the mains outside of a feed to the sink on the ground floor and a fee to the main tank in the attic. I am open to correction on this.


  • #4
    aujopimur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭aujopimur


    When I was in the trade the householder was responsable for the pipework from the stopcock.
    50 years ago watermains were 1/2" copper or 1/2" heavy gauge alkethene,
    some of the internal cold pipework was done in 1/2" wavin.
    Normally working on your own domestic installation does not require council permission.


  • #5
    gerryo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭gerryo


    kkelliher wrote: »
    If the stopcock is in the middle of a public footpath (which would be the normal position) you only own the section from the front of your property. Therefore the section from the front of your property to the ballcock would not be owned by you as it is on council property. This has been a source of discussion in respect to the possible location of the water meters and the effect of any leak in this section of pipe.

    Indeed!
    I would imagine the original builder would have ran a pipe all the way to the footpath & the council would have terminated this in the stopcock. It would appear ownership of the pipe section on public property now belongs to the council.

    However, I see the problem of a leak in the pipe section between the stopcock & the property boundary becoming a "no mans land", where no one wants to assume responsibility for fixing a leak in this section.

    The county Councils appear to take the view the property owner has responsibility for the pipe up to the stopcock & recommend replacing all the pipe in the event of it leaking or being very old & likely to develop leaks.

    I think this is a sensible approach, but might only work in a rural area.
    I can't see the Council allowing property owners to dig up public pavements to fix a suspected leak. There might be a flood of insurance claims from pedestrians who suffered injury due to a hole in the path or an uneven surface.


  • #6
    gerryo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭gerryo


    aujopimur wrote: »
    When I was in the trade the householder was responsable for the pipework from the stopcock.
    50 years ago watermains were 1/2" copper or 1/2" heavy gauge alkethene,
    some of the internal cold pipework was done in 1/2" wavin.
    Normally working on your own domestic installation does not require council permission.

    Yes, I suspected it might be Alkethene, but I though that was mainly used for agricultural irrigation. Having inspected the pipe, the ID is 13mm, the OD is 15 mm, colour is black.

    Don't think it will be easy to get compression fittings for it.


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  • #7
    Nedser101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Nedser101


    gerryo wrote: »
    Yes, I suspected it might be Alkethene, but I though that was mainly used for agricultural irrigation. Having inspected the pipe, the ID is 13mm, the OD is 15 mm, colour is black.

    Don't think it will be easy to get compression fittings for it.

    Check out philmac fittings ,these will usually get you out of a hole if the pipe sizes are odd


  • #8
    aujopimur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭aujopimur


    gerryo wrote: »
    Yes, I suspected it might be Alkethene, but I though that was mainly used for agricultural irrigation. Having inspected the pipe, the ID is 13mm, the OD is 15 mm, colour is black.

    Don't think it will be easy to get compression fittings for it.

    It sounds like you have lightgauge alkethene, you will need polyadaptors to match it to 3/4" compression fittings.


  • #9
    gerryo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭gerryo


    aujopimur wrote: »
    It sounds like you have lightgauge alkethene, you will need polyadaptors to match it to 3/4" compression fittings.

    Yes, think I need something like this
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Conex-2-pk-Copper-Class-B-Adaptor-conversion-Ring-Black-Alkathene-16mm-23mm-/120965127502

    Found one in the toolbox - always wondered what these were for.

    Think I need an insert also & that seems to be missing :(


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