why are emissions tested in on pre 08 cars?

billbond4

Thought occurred to me as I was waiting for car to to nct.
Why do pre 08 cars have their emissions tested?
There is no need to do it as emissions shouldn't have anything to do with safety and the car isn't taxed according to its co2 emissions,so its irrelevant?

Henry Ford III

It's to limit pollution to the enviroment presumably.

Kid Nothing

Have a read of euro ncap regulation regarding vehicle emissions. All manufacturers must meet emissions specs under it.

billbond4

But i assume thats at production only?

R.O.R

The emissions that are checked at NCT time have nothing at all to do with the manufacturer published CO2 emissions.

NCT emissions are checking to make sure the current emissions are within acceptable thresholds.

billbond4

Yes thats fair enough, but if the Motor Tax is not based on the emissions of the car why is the test done on pre 08s?

Dartz

It's an easy way to fail otherwise roadworthy cars and give the motor industry and gentle shot in the arm.

....or so I've heard.

billbond4

yes that sound more like it.
Think i will write a letter to the minister asking for it the removed and see what the official answer would be.
As it bad enough pre 08 cars not having the CO2 based emissions and now with 10 year old cars having unnecessary NCT testing every year, sound more like a money making racket.

Anan1

billbond4 wrote: »

There is no need to do it as emissions shouldn't have anything to do with safety and the car isn't taxed according to its co2 emissions,so its irrelevant?

What makes you think that the NCT is only about safety?

billbond4

It was one of the major reasons why it was brought in.
Im saying that if your motor tax is not based on emissions then why is it tested?

Mar4ix

billbond4 wrote: »

yes that sound more like it.
Think i will write a letter to the minister asking for it the removed and see what the official answer would be.
As it bad enough pre 08 cars not having the CO2 based emissions and now with 10 year old cars having unnecessary NCT testing every year, sound more like a money making racket.

Really ...??? i didnt know that. :eek:

R.O.R

billbond4 wrote: »

It was one of the major reasons why it was brought in.
Im saying that if your motor tax is not based on emissions then why is it tested?

Bacause they are not testing the same emissions in the NCT as those tested for Road Tax/ VRT assesment.

Not sure it can be made any clearer than that, but if you have nothing better to do than write pointless letters, go ahead.

billbond4

I do have better things to do than to write letters to our elected representatives about inconsistencies in how taxation is applied, but seen as most Irish people have apathy towards government I think a letter to the minister would be a welcome addition to his daily workload working for the people of Ireland.

Anan1

billbond4 wrote: »

It was one of the major reasons why it was brought in.

I'll ask again - what makes you think that the NCT is only about safety?

billbond4 wrote: »

saying that if your motor tax is not based on emissions then why is it tested?

Like Henry Ford III said, to limit environmental pollution.

billbond4

Mar4ix wrote: »

Really ...??? i didnt know that. :eek:

http://www.ncts.ie/faq.html
3. What cars must be tested and how often?

All cars four years and older must undergo an NCT. The NCT due date is calculated by reference to the date of first registration of the car with tests due every two years for cars younger than 10 years.

Annual testing is now a legal requirement for vehicles that present for their 10th anniversary test and each subsequent test.

Mar4ix

billbond4 wrote: »

yes that sound more like it.
Think i will write a letter to the minister asking for it the removed and see what the official answer would be.
As it bad enough pre 08 cars not having the CO2 based emissions and now with 10 year old cars having unnecessary NCT testing every year, sound more like a money making racket.

also , you could write a letter to minister about too high tax, to compare neighbor countries. you may have a look how much is tax for your car would be in UK - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice/road-tax-guide/

example, my car '98 avensis, with 1.8 petrol engine in uk road tax is 220 GBP, in Ireland cost 592 euro.

car, like my wife have, 2010 vw polo with diesel engine(Grade A ) - road tax is 30 GBP, here - 160 euro, if i am not mistaken.

Did you say something about money rocket ??
ehhh....

Wexfordian

I'm not sure why you are even bringing taxation into it? Even post 08 cars tested emission level has nothing to do with its tax rate, that is based on its official "when new" levels.

Also if you looked up one level from the section you posted it says:

2. Why has car testing been introduced?

The NCT was introduced to improve road safety and environmental protection and to comply with the EU Directive 2009/40/EC, which makes car testing compulsory in all EU member states.

Mar4ix

also , high CO indicates, that car doesnt work right, something is wrong in fuel management, if it is not fixed, youll damage catalytic converter (also designed for pollution reduction) and car will use much more fuel, as it needed.

Mar4ix

billbond4 wrote: »

http://www.ncts.ie/faq.html
3. What cars must be tested and how often?

All cars four years and older must undergo an NCT. The NCT due date is calculated by reference to the date of first registration of the car with tests due every two years for cars younger than 10 years.

Annual testing is now a legal requirement for vehicles that present for their 10th anniversary test and each subsequent test.

sorry, i know that, I was a bit sarcastic . :P

billbond4

Anan1 wrote: »

I'll ask again - what makes you think that the NCT is only about safety?
Like Henry Ford III said, to limit environmental pollution.

The NCT is about safety and roadworthiness , just having a quick look over EU Directive 2009/40/EC, which is why it was introduced in Ireland.

It talks about Steering, Visibility, Lighting equipment, Axles, wheels, tyres, suspension, chassis, Bodywork,Noise and Exhaust emissions


--> interestingly were are exceeding the testing on 10 year old cars
Annex 1
. Motor vehicles having at least four wheels, normally
used for the road carriage of goods and with a
maximum permissible mass not exceeding 3 500 kg,
excluding agricultural tractors and machinery
Frequency of tests -->
Four years after the date on which the vehicle was first used, and thereafter every two years

billbond4

Mar4ix wrote: »

also , you could write a letter to minister about too high tax, to compare neighbor countries. you may have a look how much is tax for your car would be in UK - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice/road-tax-guide/

example, my car '98 avensis, with 1.8 petrol engine in uk road tax is 220 GBP, in Ireland cost 592 euro.

car, like my wife have, 2010 vw polo with diesel engine(Grade A ) - road tax is 30 GBP, here - 160 euro, if i am not mistaken.

Did you say something about money rocket ??
ehhh....

I already did
When the poxy co2 tax was introduce

Anan1

billbond4 wrote: »

The NCT is about safety and roadworthiness , just having a quick look over EU Directive 2009/40/EC, which is why it was introduced in Ireland.

It talks about Steering, Visibility, Lighting equipment, Axles, wheels, tyres, suspension, chassis, Bodywork,Noise and Exhaust emissions


--> interestingly were are exceeding the testing on 10 year old cars
Annex 1
. Motor vehicles having at least four wheels, normally
used for the road carriage of goods and with a
maximum permissible mass not exceeding 3 500 kg,
excluding agricultural tractors and machinery
Frequency of tests -->
Four years after the date on which the vehicle was first used, and thereafter every two years

Seriously, what part of the word ONLY are you having trouble with? Read Wexfordian's post again.

billbond4

im not having a problem with that.
After reading the directive from the nice people in Brussels and that we have to follow it, i see that the emission test have to be carried out on all cars.

I suppose im still just annoyed over the dual motor tax we have in Ireland.

bazz26

billbond4 wrote: »

Yes thats fair enough, but if the Motor Tax is not based on the emissions of the car why is the test done on pre 08s?

Your confusing two completely different methods of emmission measurements. New cars are given a Co2 (Carbon Dioxide) rate. The NCT emmissions test checks for Co (Carbon Monoxide). The NCT doesn't test for carbon dioxide at present and NCT emmission tests have nothing to do with motor tax rates.

Capt'n Midnight

billbond4 wrote: »

Yes thats fair enough, but if the Motor Tax is not based on the emissions of the car why is the test done on pre 08s?

Maybe they could assign cars to a tax band depending on it's emissions at the previous NCT.


Of course this being Ireland people would soon find exotic low carbon fuels to defeat the sensors

colm_mcm

Emissions at idle or at a set rpm have no bearing on the co2 emitted on a test cycle, factors like vehicle weight, aerodynamics, gearing, tyres etc will determine the emissions whilst driving, the nct test is only a test to prove that the vehicles anti pollution systems are within tolerable limits.

Stheno

I once had the testers refuse to test my car as when they tried to do the emissions test the noise from the engine was so loud they were afraid of what might happen if they did it

A new exhaust, and timing belt later the car passed fine

goz83

I would say high emissions IS a safety issue. Thinking of one big city the far east where lots of people wear breathing masks thanks to the high levels of pollution from cars. I have no issue with NCT emmissions testing.

Del2005

Dartz wrote: »

It's an easy way to fail otherwise roadworthy cars and give the motor industry and gentle shot in the arm.

....or so I've heard.

That's why garages lean down cars that can't pass the emissions tests. They could easily not bother and get a sale or huge repair job.

challengemaster

billbond4 wrote: »

Yes thats fair enough, but if the Motor Tax is not based on the emissions of the car why is the test done on pre 08s?

As has already been pointed out, you're confusing things.

Aside from that, though. If the emissions aren't within the acceptable range tested in the NCT, there's something somewhere wrong with the car. And as Mar4ix has pointed out, if it's not fixed it will lead to further damage.

corktina

do you not think that the older a car is , the quicker it is likely to develop faults that might affect safety?

Most countries have an annual test on all cars over 2/3 years old!

Just how much money do you think they can make in test fees? they are quite cheap compared to what a garage would charge you to check over your car.Do you not want to know that the car that stands between you and a gory death (whether it is your own or the one coming the other way) is safe*? I do.

* or at least safer than it would be with no test.

AltAccount

billbond4 wrote: »

yes that sound more like it.

I love it when people keep asking the same question over and over, ignoring all reasonable and correct answers until finally someone agrees with them...

Guy:Incognito

Mar4ix wrote: »

also , you could write a letter to minister about too high tax, to compare neighbor countries. you may have a look how much is tax for your car would be in UK - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice/road-tax-guide/

example, my car '98 avensis, with 1.8 petrol engine in uk road tax is 220 GBP, in Ireland cost 592 euro.

car, like my wife have, 2010 vw polo with diesel engine(Grade A ) - road tax is 30 GBP, here - 160 euro, if i am not mistaken.

Did you say something about money rocket ??
ehhh....

If we're selectively picking figures that suit an argument just make sure not to include countries like Denmark or Holland that have higher rates.

CiniO

billbond4 wrote: »

Thought occurred to me as I was waiting for car to to nct.
Why do pre 08 cars have their emissions tested?
There is no need to do it as emissions shouldn't have anything to do with safety and the car isn't taxed according to its co2 emissions,so its irrelevant?

You are right - it's irrelevant, as CO2 emissions are not checks during NCT test.
They wouldn't be able to test it.