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  • 08-11-2012 8:18am
    #1
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭


    If you get banned for drink driving in another European country(portugal) is it that country your banned from driving in or are you banned from driving period in any european country (Ireland) Thanks :)


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  • #2
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    If you get banned from driving they take your driving license for the time being. I reckon that answers your question.


  • #3
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Boskowski wrote: »
    If you get banned from driving they take your driving license for the time being. I reckon that answers your question.



    :o Never thought of that :o Thanks.


  • #4
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    you wouldn't be banned in other countries but seeing as you have no license you would have to pass a test there.


  • #5
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    cortina wrote: »
    you wouldn't be banned in other countries but seeing as you have no license you would have to pass a test there.


    And i would be assuming that you would have to declare to your insurance company here that you were banned when you go for your renewal.


  • #6
    Mar4ix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    Boskowski wrote: »
    If you get banned from driving they take your driving license for the time being. I reckon that answers your question.

    so, its mean, if you driving drunk,. leave license in home, and when asked, say i dont have, or i forgot them home . :pac:


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  • #7
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Mar4ix wrote: »

    so, its mean, if you driving drunk,. leave license in home, and when asked, say i dont have, or i forgot them home . :pac:

    that is an offence as well, you are required to carry it.

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  • #8
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Mar4ix wrote: »
    so, its mean, if you driving drunk,. leave license in home, and when asked, say i dont have, or i forgot them home . :pac:
    galwaytt wrote: »
    that is an offence as well, you are required to carry it.

    Carrying it or not, you would still have to hand it in. ;)


  • #9
    corkonion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭corkonion


    There is no "link up" between European countries with this info, if an Irish citizen (driving under an Irish issued licence) was banned in Portugal, it would not stop them from receiving a replacement "lost" licence in Ireland.


  • #10
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    You would have to declare you conviction wouldnt you? All insurers ask this question


  • #11
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    corkonion wrote: »
    There is no "link up" between European countries with this info, if an Irish citizen (driving under an Irish issued licence) was banned in Portugal, it would not stop them from receiving a replacement "lost" licence in Ireland.

    With the exception of the UK. Driving bans are cross border here


    http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=169


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  • #12
    TheNog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    There is no agreement between Ireland and Portugal to honour driving bans. If you had a portugeuse ( spelling ) license I presume you had to hand it to authorities there and you have no chance of requesting a replacement.


    However there is nothing stopping you from applying for an Irish learner permit. You will have to tell any insurance company of the ban though. If you don't and the insurance company finds out they can void your cover and you are open to prosecution for driving without insurance.


  • #13
    joujoujou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,978 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
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    No authority will take one's licence in other country than the one which issued it.

    So if someone's get banned from driving in Portugal while having Irish (or whatever non-Portugese) licence, is banned, but keeps licence.


  • #14
    corkonion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭corkonion


    BX 19 wrote: »

    With the exception of the UK. Driving bans are cross border here


    http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=169
    It says exactly the opposite, the UK is the ONLY country that we signed a cross border agreement with, and that was never enacted as we don't have the technology currently to cross reference.
    If you are banned from driving in any other European country, there is no way of this being enforced here unless you yourself contact your insurance company and/or the relevant authorities here.


  • #15
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    It doesn't matter whether or not you hand in a license, you are still banned! If it's an Irish license, you can't be banned here (except in the UK ). If it's a Portugese license then you are banned from driving anywhere as you don't have a license.


  • #16
    650Ginge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭650Ginge


    Boskowski wrote: »
    If you get banned from driving they take your driving license for the time being. I reckon that answers your question.

    They might take your license on the other country but they can't ban you or endorse an irish license.

    You just apt for a replacement when you come home.

    However I wish they would change this so you actually get punished and people stop driving like asses when they think they can't be done.


  • #17
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    Think the op would still be entitled to drive in Ireland if it was and Irish Eu licence. According to the extract below they would have to give it back once they were leaving the country.

    Driving bans (revoked licences)

    "I live in Spain and recently received a driving ban there – on my Belgian licence. Can I still use my licence in Belgium?

    NO — A driving ban issued by the country in which you have your normal residence, applies in all countries, worldwide.


    I recently received a driving ban while on holiday in Spain. I live in Belgium, where my licence was issued - can I still use my licence there?

    YES — A driving ban issued by the country you were visiting, only applies to this country. When you leave, the authorities must return your licence to you."

    from http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/driving/faq/index_en.htm


  • #18
    Mansized Wreath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭Mansized Wreath


    If you get banned here or elsewhere and don't tell the insurance company, how can they find out? Or do the courts automatically tell them?


  • #19
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,860 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Mansized Wreath wrote: »
    If you get banned here or elsewhere and don't tell the insurance company, how can they find out? Or do the courts automatically tell them?

    They may never find out. But if there's a claim, and they investigate and find blatant non disclosure, they'll persue you like a blood hungry animal.

    p.s. If that happens say goodbye to any future motor insurance too.


  • #20
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    Most insurers only ask you "what licence you hold" and "do you have any penalty points"


  • #21
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,860 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    pippip wrote: »
    Most insurers only ask you "what licence you hold" and "do you have any penalty points"

    All insurers will ask about bans and convictions.


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  • #22
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    corkonion wrote: »
    It says exactly the opposite, the UK is the ONLY country that we signed a cross border agreement with, and that was never enacted as we don't have the technology currently to cross reference.
    If you are banned from driving in any other European country, there is no way of this being enforced here unless you yourself contact your insurance company and/or the relevant authorities here.

    That's what I was getting at about the uk


  • #23
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    All insurers will ask about bans and convictions.

    Think it all depends. Would wonder could they even access european data.


    https://car-insurance.aaireland.ie/car-insurance/viewMainDetails.do?page=newQuote


  • #24
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,860 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    pippip wrote: »
    Think it all depends. Would wonder could they even access european data.


    https://car-insurance.aaireland.ie/car-insurance/viewMainDetails.do?page=newQuote

    It doesn't depend.

    http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/Insurance/Car-Insurance/Car-Insurance-terminology-explained.aspx

    "Material fact: Any information that may influence either an insurer's decision to offer you cover or the premium they charge for it. If you leave out information which may influence a decision to offer cover, your policy may be invalidated. "

    A foreign ban is always a material fact. Always.


  • #25
    jeltz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭jeltz


    corkonion wrote: »
    It says exactly the opposite, the UK is the ONLY country that we signed a cross border agreement with, and that was never enacted as we don't have the technology currently to cross reference.

    Its only a matter of time before the technology is available.


  • #26
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    pippip wrote: »
    Think the op would still be entitled to drive in Ireland if it was and Irish Eu licence. According to the extract below they would have to give it back once they were leaving the country.

    Driving bans (revoked licences)

    "I live in Spain and recently received a driving ban there – on my Belgian licence. Can I still use my licence in Belgium?

    NO — A driving ban issued by the country in which you have your normal residence, applies in all countries, worldwide.

    It makes sense, but how is it going to be enforced?
    If someone who lives in Spain and holds Belgian licence get's banned in Spain, he can easily keep his Belgian licence and use it anywhere in the world outside Spain. Even if according to some regulations it's illegal, there's nothing which can stop one doing so.



    My friend who lives in Poland but holds Irish licence, exceeded penalty points limit there. They issued a driving ban for him there, but he car still use his Irish licence in any other country than Poland.


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