U-Tag

acalmenvoy

U-Tag/
Just signed up for the pilot trial (Limerick, Clare and Kerry only). Seems to be legal, my worry would be battery life on the phone, and what's it gonna cost when rolled out fully.

Anjobe

But there is a completely free way to avoid penalty points - don't break the speed limit!

awec

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tossy

Anjobe wrote: »

But there is a completely free way to avoid penalty points - don't break the speed limit!

Thankfully for you the go safe vans aren't calibrated to catch Moral high horses

biko

Isn't there already several similar apps for various smartphones?

Stheno

I wonder would the illegality be using the phone while driving?

Anjobe

tossy wrote: »

Thankfully for you the go safe vans aren't calibrated to catch Moral high horses

You think speeding is acceptable?

Anjobe

OSI wrote: »

There are plenty of times when speeding is acceptable.

Go on...

tossy

Anjobe wrote: »

You think speeding is acceptable?

In certain conditions i think so,i don't think getting done for going 55/60 in a 50 zone is acceptable,i don't think getting done for doing 110 in a 100 zone at midnight is acceptable....

Anjobe

tossy wrote: »

In certain conditions i think so,i don't think getting done for going 55/60 in a 50 zone is acceptable,i don't think getting done for doing 110 in a 100 zone at midnight is acceptable....

The cameras shouldn't get you for doing 110 in a 100 zone, the usual tolerance is speed limit + 10% + 2. It can't really be much tighter than that because of the inaccuracy of speedometers.

60 in a 50 zone is totally unacceptable, it is places where the speed limit is low that excessive speed is most dangerous. Most 50 limits are there because they are places where there are likely to be pedestrians, and in collisions with pedestrians a difference of a few Km/h in speed can make a big difference to the outcome.

The trouble with things like this U-Tag is that they imply that the biggest danger of speeding is getting caught.

dar83

Anjobe wrote: »

You think speeding is acceptable?

There are plenty of roads and plenty of differing times of the day/night when going 5-10km/h over the speed limit does no actual damage to anyone. So yes it can be acceptable given certain circumstaces.

In fact certain roads have ridiculous speed limits that everyone, en mass, breaks. You're in the minority if you don't and you find yourself being over/undertaken if you stick to the limit. The N32 in Dublin being one that springs instantly to mind.

Valetta

It appears to rely on drivers "tagging" if they pass a speed van, and then the device records the location and warns other drivers.

I could have great fun with that!

tossy

Anjobe wrote: »

The cameras shouldn't get you for doing 110 in a 100 zone, the usual tolerance is speed limit + 10% + 2. It can't really be much tighter than that because of the inaccuracy of speedometers.

60 in a 50 zone is totally unacceptable, it is places where the speed limit is low that excessive speed is most dangerous. Most 50 limits are there because they are places where there are likely to be pedestrians, and in collisions with pedestrians a difference of a few Km/h in speed can make a big difference to the outcome.

The trouble with things like this U-Tag is that they imply that the biggest danger of speeding is getting caught.

In an ideal world all this would be well...ideal,but there are people being caught 10kmh over and there are countless roads with a 50 kmh speed limit that have no history of bad crashes,no schools,no pedestrian crossings,no houses.....

Anjobe

dar83 wrote: »

There are plenty of roads and plenty of differing times of the day/night when going 5-10km/h over the speed limit does no actual damage to anyone. So yes it can be acceptable given certain circumstaces.

In fact certain roads have ridiculous speed limits that everyone, en mass, breaks. You're in the minority if you don't and you find yourself being over/undertaken if you stick to the limit. The N32 in Dublin being one that springs instantly to mind.

I drive the N4 between Lucan and Palmerstown every morning, everyone breaking the speed limit (80 for some reason), no lane discipline. Of course, there are loads of accidents along there too. Just because the majority drive like morons there it really doesn't make it OK. Roads like this are a good argument for better enforcement, rather than for a toy that allows drivers to get away with breaking the law.

tossy wrote: »

In an ideal world all this would be well...ideal,but there are people being caught 10kmh over and there are countless roads with a 50 kmh speed limit that have no history of bad crashes,no schools,no pedestrian crossings,no houses.....

I think we all know of roads where there appears to be no good reason for the speed limit that has been set, there are loads of roads like that in this country. And it is also true that in general a few kph extra in speed makes little difference to safety. But if you are suggesting that makes it acceptable to exceed the set limit on these roads I have to disagree. Once you say it is acceptable then you are relying on the judgement of individual drivers to drive safely. Now, the judgement of many drivers will be good most of the time, but nobody is perfect, and the judgement of some will be a lot worse. Road safety really relies on drivers obeying the speed limits and other restrictions, as this give a margin for error in judgement or for coping with the unexpected. I know many drivers in Ireland don't agree with this, but then Ireland has a comparatively poor road safety record.

Valetta

Anjobe wrote: »

I drive the N4 between Lucan and Palmerstown every morning, everyone breaking the speed limit (80 for some reason), no lane discipline. Of course, there are loads of accidents along there too. Just because the majority drive like morons there it really doesn't make it OK. Roads like this are a good argument for better enforcement, rather than for a toy that allows drivers to get away with breaking the law.



I think we all know of roads where there appears to be no good reason for the speed limit that has been set, there are loads of roads like that in this country. And it is also true that in general a few kph extra in speed makes little difference to safety. But if you are suggesting that makes it acceptable to exceed the set limit on these roads I have to disagree. Once you say it is acceptable then you are relying on the judgement of individual drivers to drive safely. Now, the judgement of many drivers will be good most of the time, but nobody is perfect, and the judgement of some will be a lot worse. Road safety really relies on drivers obeying the speed limits and other restrictions, as this give a margin for error in judgement or for coping with the unexpected. I know many drivers in Ireland don't agree with this, but then Ireland has a comparatively poor road safety record.

I agree with all of this, except the last sentence.

Anjobe

Valetta wrote: »

I agree with all of this, except the last sentence.

Well, it has been my experience that many don't agree, and I'm afraid Ireland's road safety record is a matter of fact. It has been improving in recent years but is still behind most or Europe.

dar83

Anjobe wrote: »

I drive the N4 between Lucan and Palmerstown every morning, everyone breaking the speed limit (80 for some reason), no lane discipline. Of course, there are loads of accidents along there too. Just because the majority drive like morons there it really doesn't make it OK. Roads like this are a good argument for better enforcement, rather than for a toy that allows drivers to get away with breaking the law.

Funny that, because I drive the N32 every day, twice. And I can't remember the last time there was an accident on it. The lane discipline on it is fine and the limit is only 60km/h whereas the steady stream of traffic is generally doing between 70-80km/h. I understand where you're coming from completely, but there are certain roads that the limit is just ridiculously low for what it is. The halting site access and the old school entrance on the other side are the only reasons the N32 is a 60 limit, but I've not even seen any speed checks on it in years and it used to be one of their favourite spots before they changed to doing it more on accident blackspots.

I don't think enforcement is what needs changing on certain roads, I think it's a review the limits.

Anjobe wrote: »

I think we all know of roads where there appears to be no good reason for the speed limit that has been set, there are loads of roads like that in this country. And it is also true that in general a few kph extra in speed makes little difference to safety. But if you are suggesting that makes it acceptable to exceed the set limit on these roads I have to disagree. Once you say it is acceptable then you are relying on the judgement of individual drivers to drive safely. Now, the judgement of many drivers will be good most of the time, but nobody is perfect, and the judgement of some will be a lot worse. Road safety really relies on drivers obeying the speed limits and other restrictions, as this give a margin for error in judgement or for coping with the unexpected. I know many drivers in Ireland don't agree with this, but then Ireland has a comparatively poor road safety record.

Dublin actually has one of the best in Europe according to the M50.

Also I wouldn't ever consider just because someone is going the speed limit or under that they are vastly 'safer'. People will always be distracted by things and always be liable to do something unexpected and stupid, you have to be prepared for this at any speed. This RSA agenda of speed = all our road problems is a load of nonsense. It's an easy out and a quick way to vilify the majority of the population at one point or another. It's generally for this reason you have the numpties in the middle lane of the M50 doing 80km/h because they'd never dream of breaking the speed limit as "wouldn't that be dangerous now".

Driver education needs to be sorted out properly here, only with that will things on the roads change. Repeating a "speeding kills" ad campaign ad nauseam year on year wont change anything. People will speed, the ones with sense will do so with awareness and at appropriate times, the ones that don't have any sense will find another car head on at worst, or will find a fine and 2 points in their letterbox at best (at some point).

SC024

Anjobe wrote: »

I drive the N4 between Lucan and Palmerstown every morning, everyone breaking the speed limit (80 for some reason), no lane discipline. Of course, there are loads of accidents along there too. Just because the majority drive like morons there it really doesn't make it OK. Roads like this are a good argument for better enforcement, rather than for a toy that allows drivers to get away with breaking the law.

Which lane do your drive in & what speed do you drive at?

pa990

this utag sounds like another trapster.

trapster was briefly popular here when the gosafe vans were launched... then it kinda died off. Wellin Ireland anyway