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10 dire consequences of Obama's re-election victory.

  • 07-11-2012 12:32pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    I would totally agree with nearly all of the points listed below.

    Some points are so obvious one would have had to have been hidden under a rock for the last four years not to notice them. Such as the erosion of civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism or assisting in disaster situations.

    So many Gullible Americans foolishly think that all "is safe" now that Romney has not been rigged into power. elected. The much hyped about combined US / Israeli attack on Iran may be put off, but the war against US citizens on their own soil has just began.

    #1) Huge expansion of TSA and the surveillance police state
    This has been steadily increasing with the extension of this rogue Gestapo police to road side checks, bus and train terminals.

    Watch for TSA to expand its occupation of America by setting up checkpoints on roadways, sporting events, malls and "surprise" locations. Expect to see TSA agents become even more belligerent and lawless as they ramp up their sexual molestation of innocent victims.

    #2) Expansion of secret arrests of American citizens
    Assassination and arrests are becoming more frequent on US soil against those that have insider information. (Usually passed off as suicide and may even involve the murder of a complete family to put a lid on matters.

    Obama secretly signed the NDAA, legalizing the secret arrests of U.S. citizens while denying them due process. Obama also authorized secret "kill lists" that claim to authorize the U.S. government to assassinate targeted individuals.

    With his re-election in place, expect Obama to start issuing a mass of "kill orders" that will even start targeting political opponents.


    #3) Acceleration of national debt blowout and endless fiat currency creation
    Goes without saying and cannot be disputed.
    Under Obama, the national debt experienced a massive blowout where Obama added trillions of dollars to the existing debt: www.USdebtclock.org

    Right now, Obama is overseeing a trillion dollars a year in additional debt -- an amount that simply cannot be sustained without running smack into a financial catastrophe. It now appears that financial collapse it going to occur under Obama, not Romney.


    #4) Rapid expansion of GMOs and USDA collusion.
    No doubt Obama will fight proposition 37 tooth and nail considering his agenda has vast interests in Monsanto.

    Monsanto and the biotech corporations have thrived under the Obama administration thanks to USDA collusion and scientific fraud.

    Over the next four years, expect GMOs to dominate the U.S. food supply while the Obama White House rejects any effort to try to label GMOs on a national basis.


    #5) Increasingly dictatorial government health care.
    Following in the footsteps of Hitlers T4 programme it won't be too long before US Citizens will be forced into a health care plan that many do not want to be a part of.

    Obamacare will grow like a cancer, pushing Americans into mandatory vaccinations that inject children with mercury, formaldehyde, MSG and aluminum.

    Look for the Obama administration to wage even more wars against raw milk freedom, farm freedom and food freedom, all while requiring yet more foods to be pasteurized or fumigated under the guise of "food safety."


    #6) Immediate surge in sales of guns and ammo
    No one can dispute me on this one. Barack Obama has probably been the best guns sales man in the history of the United States, Gun shop owners and manufactures must love him. :)

    Obama has promised to try to destroy the Second Amendment and deny Americans the liberty to own firearms. With his re-election, expect to see a massive surge in gun sales as more people attempt to stock up in anticipation of gun bans (or government gun confiscation).

    #7) Accelerated erosion of the Bill of Rights and civil liberties.
    This is just an extension of George Bushes Patriot act, The difference here is that people still foolishly think these invoked invasive measures are provisions to fight terrorism ans help people in disaster situations.

    Under Obama, civil rights, human rights and the Bill of Rights will be rapidly eroded. This goes hand in hand with the cancerous growth of government. As government expands its power and confiscates more economic resources, it simultaneously destroys individual liberties and due process.

    This isn't to say that Romney would have been any better, of course. Both candidates were philosophically invested in the rapid expansion of Big Government.


    #8) Continued destruction and looting of the U.S. economy

    Under Obama, the financial looting of the U.S. economy by the global bankster elite will continue. The same would have been true with Romney, by the way.

    Under Obama, America's unemployment rate will continue to head skyward, entitlements will be expanded, and the USA will be plunged into a tyrannical welfare state dominated by mindless zombies who have no cognitive grasp of reality.


    #9) A "giant sucking sound" of employers leaving America
    Ross Perot was right! That "giant sucking sound" is the sound of employers leaving America in droves, hiring offshore workers instead of creating jobs in the USA. And why? Because employers can't afford to pay Obamacare mandates and still stay competitive in the global marketplace.

    #10) Stepped-up attacks on veterans and preppers
    I would agree on this one, the preppers are the ones that are having the last laugh at the new homeless (Those that have not prepared for Sandy) . The Preppers are those that don't need FEMA or BIG Government assistance.

    Returning U.S. veterans will continue to be vilified by the Obama administration, to the point where even more veterans will be arrested as "terrorists" for engaging in fundamental preparedness strategies such as storing food, water, medicine and ammo.

    Watch for the liberal media to join the White House in painting veterans as "dangerous" individuals needing psychiatric medications. Never mind the fact that the media owes preppers a huge apology in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy.


    http://www.naturalnews.com/037872_Obama_election_predictions.html#ixzz2BXNfZ1Sw


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    He won a democratic election.
    Get over it. You're not even American.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Obama has promised to try to destroy the Second Amendment and deny Americans the liberty to own firearms.


    would love to see a quote


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy



    #10) Stepped-up attacks on veterans and preppers
    I would agree on this one, the preppers are the ones that are having the last laugh at the new homeless (Those that have not prepared for Sandy) . The Preppers are those that don't need FEMA or BIG Government assistance.

    Returning U.S. veterans will continue to be vilified by the Obama administration, to the point where even more veterans will be arrested as "terrorists" for engaging in fundamental preparedness strategies such as storing food, water, medicine and ammo.

    Watch for the liberal media to join the White House in painting veterans as "dangerous" individuals needing psychiatric medications. Never mind the fact that the media owes preppers a huge apology in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy.


    http://www.naturalnews.com/037872_Obama_election_predictions.html#ixzz2BXNfZ1Sw

    What has being a veteran got to do with being a prepper?

    Will all preppers be targeted, or only those with military service?

    Will all non-prepared veterans be spared this persecution?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    Was waiting for this. God know how you know all these things. You could make millions. If you could prove any of it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    JustinDee wrote: »
    He won a democratic election.
    Get over it. You're not even American.

    Former permanent resident :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭kellso81



    Obamacare will grow like a cancer, pushing Americans into mandatory vaccinations that inject children with mercury, formaldehyde, MSG and aluminum.


    Do you really believe this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Former permanent resident :)
    Never a citizen (ie. a voter), and more relevantly, no longer there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    David+Silverman+Rage+Face.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    LOL, the OP mentions "gullible Americans" and Hitler all in one desperate post. :D

    Is this Rtdh's last gasp or a cry for help?

    Guess some people just can't get their heads round the concept of democracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    kellso81 wrote: »
    Do you really believe this?
    Yes I would certainly do and I know plenty who have refused to have their kids vaccinated.

    I would be more skeptical of "fly by night" vaccines that are ushered in by big pharma through main stream media scare mongering and hype. An example of this is the Swine flu jab con job that has cost this country several millions in wasted tax payers money.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Yes I would certainly do and I know plenty who have refused to have their kids vaccinated.

    I would be more skeptical of "fly by night" vaccines that are ushered in by big pharma through main stream media scare mongering and hype. An example of this is the Swine flu jab con job that has cost this country several millions in wasted tax payers money.

    I know I mean we wasted millions on Small Pox vaccinations and when was the last time you heard of someone with small pox. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭francois


    Yes I would certainly do and I know plenty who have refused to have their kids vaccinated.

    Leading to fatal epidemics of measles in children


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    francois wrote: »
    Leading to fatal epidemics of measles in children
    I was never vaccinated for measles, had them along with chicken pocks, my body built up a natural immunity to them and never had them again. My brother refuses to have his daughter vaccinated in school and rightly so. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    I was never vaccinated for measles, had them along with chicken pocks, my body built up a natural immunity to them and never had them again.
    Pity it didn't build up an immunity to horsesh..anyway..

    Long live the King! (Obama)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Bradidup


    JustinDee wrote: »
    He won a democratic election.
    Get over it. You're not even American.
    And Obama, he is not even a citizen of the United States as determined by several reliable researchers including Maricopa County Shirof, Arizona Sheriff, Joe Arpaio. Obamas long form birth cert is a proven forgery yet America foolishly lets this illegal alien take up office for the second time in succession.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Bradidup wrote: »
    And Obama, he is not even a citizen of the United States as determined by several reliable researchers including Maricopa County Shirof, Arizona Sheriff, Joe Arpaio. Obamas long form birth cert is a proven forgery yet America foolishly lets this illegal alien take up office for the second time in succession.

    Nope.
    Wrong.
    Try again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Nope.
    Wrong.
    Try again.
    I would also agree that Obama is not a natural born US citizen. therefore he is a presidential election fraud...again..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    I would also agree that Obama is not a natural born US citizen. therefore he is a presidential election fraud...again..

    I thought his place of birth was "Hell" no? what with being the actual anti-Christ and all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭splashthecash


    With his re-election in place, expect Obama to start issuing a mass of "kill orders" that will even start targeting political opponents.

    Seriously?Run for the hills Mitt, Obama is coming for you!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    I would also agree that Obama is not a natural born US citizen. therefore he is a presidential election fraud...again..

    I'm sure you'll have no problem bringing a full fleshed out legal case on this subject, which will see this massive fraud corrected.

    And if not you, then than why not Joe Arpaio? Surely someone would be able to make this simple case, i mean so many people on the internet say they know for sure that it's totally a fake. Should be a slam dunk!
    Surprised the Romney team never picked up on it.....


    Y'know, unless your all just lying and this is just latching onto anything that would cast aspirations on Obama, regardless of its origins in peoples sheer disbelief that a black man could be the president.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    So a Republican party influenced by the likes of Cheney and Rove with idiots like Ryan waiting in the wings would be better than Obama? If the ruthless NWO has the power to rig the US elections and are all powerful enough to play the world like a game of risk, starting wars, famine and recession as they please...why don't they just do it already?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Because they're EVEEEEL, and like to taunt OP specifically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭maximoose


    The biggest consequence of all, for us, is that you will keep making ridiculous threads about him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    I still cringe at the fact that there's people who exist that think a corrupt sheriff is the legitimate source of anything other than bull****...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    I would also agree that Obama is not a natural born US citizen. therefore he is a presidential election fraud...again..

    Since we're posting weird beliefs and mistruths and rumours here, I'd suggest that the kind of people who question Obama's birth are the kind of people who would never question any of the previous white Presidents birth credentials.

    Just be honest; say what you really mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭gibraltar


    I would also agree that Obama is not a natural born US citizen. therefore he is a presidential election fraud...again..

    Its sad that you are so gullible to believe what are at this stage admitted lies sponsored by the very elites you try to rage against, sad - but funny so keep it up.

    Quick question - what happened to his massive head wound that you were sure was going to happen?

    Also might I suggest that you reset you date for the "event" from before the election to christmas or new years eve? this will have 2 advantages, first you can simply copy and paste your previous posts and just change the dates.

    Secondly you can use this time to come up with a better excuse than you have so far for being 100% wrong in your recent predictions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    New Your Post hits the nail on the head depicting Obama as a dictator. :)

    esugyc.jpg


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Returning U.S. veterans will continue to be vilified by the Obama administration, to the point where even more veterans will be arrested as "terrorists" for engaging in fundamental preparedness strategies such as storing food, water, medicine and ammo.
    Not to mention questioning 9/11 in a facebook private chat with your brother.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    gibraltar wrote: »
    Its sad that you are so gullible to believe what are at this stage admitted lies sponsored by the very elites you try to rage against, sad - but funny so keep it up.

    Quick question - what happened to his massive head wound that you were sure was going to happen?

    Also might I suggest that you reset you date for the "event" from before the election to christmas or new years eve? this will have 2 advantages, first you can simply copy and paste your previous posts and just change the dates.

    Secondly you can use this time to come up with a better excuse than you have so far for being 100% wrong in your recent predictions.
    Instead of focusing on non-relevant trivialities in an attempt to make yourself look clever why don't you deal with the points raised in the OP?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭blatantrereg


    Who did you want to get in then?

    I would have liked Jill Stein to have; but that was never going to happen really. Obama was next best I think.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    So a Republican party influenced by the likes of Cheney and Rove with idiots like Ryan waiting in the wings would be better than Obama?
    The lesser of two evils is still evil. Obama, in a sense. is more dangerous due the allowances pseudo-liberals give him due to
    "Repulsive progressive hypocrisy"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭gibraltar


    Instead of focusing on non-relevant trivialities in an attempt to make yourself look clever why don't you deal with the points raised in the OP?

    Whats the point in dealing with the points in the op? RTDH cant respond intelligently to any questions and seems to think posting random images is useful.

    Why discuss his new batch of nonsense (which happens to be the same as usual) when he is unable to explain why EVERYTHING HE PREDICTED WAS 100% WRONG?

    He will simply reset his theory to a new date and continue to post the exact same thing over and over again.

    I would love to be proven wrong so lets hope RTDH can respond to some of the posters who have asked why his new predictions should be heeded when everything up to this point has been proven to be a fantasy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭The Bishop!


    The lesser of two evils is still evil. Obama, in a sense. is more dangerous due the allowances pseudo-liberals give him due to
    "Repulsive progressive hypocrisy"


    The Democratic party is the graveyard of true progressive movements over there. So yeah that's a fair point.
    Obama/Bush. There's little difference in reality so far, as anyone who gets their information from non-stupid sources knows.

    A lot of people had no option but to vote for the least worst candidate yesterday. Am still relieved Romney didn't get in like most people. It's like a massive comet came within a few thousand miles of earth and passed by. It was close. The thoughts of Romney/Ryan being in power was a worse prospect than 4 more hopeless years of Obama.

    The anti-war progressive movement needs to start organising to drag the politics there back from right wing plutocracy and stop thinking that just because Republicans aren't in power things are hunky dory.
    Get their heads out of their asses so to speak. Just my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    This thread is pish


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    The Democratic party is the graveyard of true progressive movements over there. So yeah that's a fair point.
    Obama/Bush. There's little difference in reality so far, as anyone who gets their information from non-stupid sources knows.

    A lot of people had no option but to vote for the least worst candidate yesterday. Am still relieved Romney didn't get in like most people. It's like a massive comet came within a few thousand miles of earth and passed by. It was close. The thoughts of Romney/Ryan being in power was a worse prospect than 4 more hopeless years of Obama.

    The anti-war progressive movement needs to start organising to drag the politics there back from right wing plutocracy and stop thinking that just because Republicans aren't in power things are hunky dory.
    Get their heads out of their asses so to speak. Just my opinion.
    Agree with everything you've said. I suppose we will find out about the real Obama in the next four years as he is released from shackles of reelection. I was certainly more optimistic about Obama 4 years ago. That's assuming that he's not an empty vessel of course.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    gibraltar wrote: »
    Whats the point in dealing with the points in the op?
    ???
    It's one of the fundamentals of how discussion works on this site.


    gibraltar wrote: »
    Why discuss his new batch of nonsense (which happens to be the same as usual) when he is unable to explain why EVERYTHING HE PREDICTED WAS 100% WRONG?

    He will simply reset his theory to a new date and continue to post the exact same thing over and over again.

    I would love to be proven wrong so lets hope RTDH can respond to some of the posters who have asked why his new predictions should be heeded when everything up to this point has been proven to be a fantasy.
    It's not all nonsense in the OP. Rather than interjecting when by your own admission you have no interest in discussing the OP simply read the comments of people who do want to discuss the topic and let the thread evolve and you will learn from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭gibraltar


    ???
    It's one of the fundamentals of how discussion works on this site.

    you appear to have missed the following part of my post;

    RTDH cant respond intelligently to any questions

    What is the point of asking questions that someone can not answer? I'm glad you mention the fundamentals of how discussion works - its a two way street, posting increasingly random items from various sites while not responding to questions can in no way be considered discussion.

    ???

    It's not all nonsense in the OP. Rather than interjecting when by your own admission you have no interest in discussing the OP simply read the comments of people who do want to discuss the topic and let the thread evolve and you will learn from it.

    Again you missed the part in my post where i stated that I would love RTDH to prove me wrong and engage everyone in a reasonable discussion where he answers questions - I genuinely believe this will not happen but its up to RTDH and he's free to do as he wishes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    Can we revisit this thread in four years time when none of the above happens?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    gnfnrhead wrote: »
    Can we revisit this thread in four years time when none of the above happens?
    No. Actually you can't. Take point 1 in the OP for example.

    #1) Huge expansion of TSA and the surveillance police state

    Obama signed it into law this year that there will be 30,000 spy drones over US skies by 2015. Obviously this qualifies.

    Obama launched unconstitutional wars.
    Obama has given himself the right to have US citizens kidnapped and held indefinitely without charge.
    Obama has given the state the right to control all food distribution.
    Obama has given himself the right to assasinate US citizens without trial or oversight.
    Obama has granted torturers immunity.
    Obama has supported Sunni Islamic terrorists in Syria and Libya.

    Can you see a pattern...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Bradidup wrote: »
    And Obama, he is not even a citizen of the United States as determined by several reliable researchers including Maricopa County Shirof, Arizona Sheriff, Joe Arpaio. Obamas long form birth cert is a proven forgery yet America foolishly lets this illegal alien take up office for the second time in succession.
    Complete and utter tosh.
    Disproven too. Comic book politics like the above is still funny to read though


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Who did you want to get in then?

    .
    Both of them are rotten eggs, there wasn't too much of a choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    New Your Post hits the nail on the head depicting Obama as a dictator. :)

    esugyc.jpg

    Just a damned shame that Caesar was never an emperor or a dictator then, isn't it.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Just a damned shame that Caesar was never an emperor or a dictator then, isn't it.
    He was an emperor.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    I still cringe at the fact that there's people who exist that think a corrupt sheriff is the legitimate source of anything other than bull****...


    If your familiar with Adobe software you can try this, you can download a 30 trial of all their software.......
    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=illustrator

    Here's the PDF...........
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
    (right click, save as)

    Here's what to do...............



    Try It!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    Instead of focusing on non-relevant trivialities in an attempt to make yourself look clever why don't you deal with the points raised in the OP?

    What points? He's just making up stuff without providing a scintilla of evidence. What's there to deal with?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    He was an emperor.

    Julius Caesar is generally not considered an emperor but he was a dictator


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Just a damned shame such a delight that Caesar was never an emperor or and a dictator then, isn't it.
    He was an emperor.

    And a Dictator.............................

    Gaius Julius Caesar was born on 12 July 100 BC in Rome, son of Gaius Caesar and Aurelia. Governor of Gaul 58-49 BC. Appointed dictator for ten years in 47 B, for life on 14 February 44 BC.
    http://www.roman-empire.net/republic/caesar.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    Julius Caesar is generally not considered an emperor but he was a dictator

    He was both!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    stuar wrote: »
    If your familiar with Adobe software you can try this, you can download a 30 trial of all their software.......
    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=illustrator

    Here's the PDF...........
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
    (right click, save as)

    Here's what to do...............



    Try It!

    I was going to just edit my post but it would have been over looked and sent back a page, just look at the official PDF, zoom in, I assume everybody has acrobrat reader, around each charater is a few white pixels, shouldnt be if standard birtcert paper used and typewriter, only characters on background, no reason for white pixels around writing.

    Unless forged!, I know a fella, that know's a fella, that know's a fella who knows a little or a lot about forgeing documents, if he were required to forge obama's birth cert he would first look at what needs to be placed on the document, then choose as close a match letter/digit wise to be the donor, clone out pixel by pixel the original type, leaving a blank file, but the official file was a major fcuk-up, when they were lifting from one to the other they didn't scan deep enough, 300ppi is photo quality, but for this the friend of a friend would have scanned at least 1600ppi and avoided the giveaway pixelation, for the most powerful man in the world a very bad job, that I'm sure is that way on purpose, it should have been flattened and saved as jpeg to eliminate what is there for all to see, and I recommend "save target as", coz it could change soon, especially with wighead twittering his wig off, but these cnuts are all the same, elite cnuts.

    Edit:
    I'm a dictator too, haha, not directed towards you bomber or run (sarcasm. ie hahaha! wink), had a pain in my buullooxx with this mad **** for a while but still hanging in there, but I didnt see the point in posting what has been posted before, but then again there are newcomers that dont know where to start, I might make a newbie thread, someday?, but theres a few names about that I didn't recognise, unless like me they have a new name?, who knows?, maybe I'll get active coz it sure is boring and full of sh!t lately.

    Up!

    Stuar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    stuar wrote: »
    He was both!

    Octavian was the first Roman Emperor. The confusion generally comes from Julius Caesar's title of imperator...which is a totally different thing and the use of Caesar as a title by Octavian and the emperors after him.


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