If the government asked you....

Bishop_Donal

to agree to a 1% increase in the Standard Rate of Income Tax for (say) the coming three years to facilitate faster delivery of the Children's Hospital, would you tolerate it?

Richard tea

yes

opinionated3

Yes....if they agreed to drop the stupid household charge and water charges.

bgrizzley

Do you know something we dont Donal?;)

Slunk

No. They squander huge amounts of money. They can find it elsewhere. Wouldn't even have to look hard

mckenzie84

Of course. It's a good cause and the children need it. It will save lives.

It's when they tax us to pay billionaires who gambled and lost I can't stand it.

heebusjeebus

Not for a hospital.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

No, cancel all overseas aid for 3-5 years and use it for Ireland's benefit.

shopaholic01

Like they would ask us and give us the option.:rolleyes: If they want it, they'll take it.

im invisible

won't somebody please think of the...

phasers

And after the three years they'll just 'forget' to lower the rate and we'll be stuck with it foever

Bishop_Donal

bgrizzley wrote: »

Do you know something we dont Donal?;)

Absolutely Not. They claim it is fully funded.

I'd just like to see faster delivery of this project, so I'd be prepared to contribute to a ring-fenced time-based tax scheme to get it built.

smash

benwavner wrote: »

No, cancel all overseas aid for 3-5 years and use it for Ireland's benefit.

Yep, charity starts at home

Iwasfrozen

Yes, I don't pay income tax.

NIMAN

I say make it a 5% increase.



I pay tax in NI btw

Cookie_Monster

no, build a hospital specifically for my, ever changing, age bracket and you can have your 1%

flutterflye

No.
I don't agree with the site they plan to use - should put it on the outskirts of town or somewhere like that.
The middle of town is a stupid place for a hospital that's supposed to be a national hospital.
The traffic getting in there is ridiculous.

The Dagda

To be clear, I feel the Irish people pay enough tax, both directly and indirectly, already. And I believe proportional income tax is the fairest way to tax people, but I don't believe the problem is on the income side.

The government has enough money to do what they should be doing, the problem is on the expenditure side, mainly public wages, they need to fix that problem before asking the Irish people for more money.

My name is URL

I don't have kids and don't plan on having kids so no.. though I'd be happy to pay an extra 1% tax if it meant that waiting times in every hospital were reduced and services & standards improved.. hell, I'd be happy to pay 5% extra for that. It'll never happen though, and if it did the money would undoubtedly be spent on the bloat rather than on where it needs to be spent.

They should reduce the rates for children's allowances and means test it, and put what is saved towards the children's hospital.

mikom

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

If the government asked you to agree to a 1% increase in the Standard Rate of Income Tax for (say) the coming three years to facilitate faster delivery of the Children's Hospital, would you tolerate it?

Well, if you tolerate this, then your children will be next............. in line for treatment.

billybudd

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't have kids and don't plan on having kids so no.. though I'd be happy to pay an extra 1% tax if it meant that waiting times in every hospital were reduced and services & standards improved.. hell, I'd be happy to pay 5% extra for that. It'll never happen though, and if it did the money would undoubtedly be spent on the bloat rather than on where it needs to be spent.

They should reduce the rates for children's allowances and means test it, and put what is saved towards the children's hospital.

Agree with some of what you say but the children of today are the adults of tomorrow and when your older and maybe rely on a pension etc then you are still reliant on them as much as they are on you.

Kind of a guilt edged proposal though, i would question the many needless road works going on throughout the country first to keep council workers in jobs.

Furious_George

I would if I was assured it was to go to the hospital and was used in an efficient way. I.e. no huge overruns of the project costing us millions extra as happens with so many other projects. In general I would be happy to pay more tax if I knew it was used efficiently to provide good public services. They say in Sweden people actually like paying taxes because they can see the value for their money. Why cant we have that

biko

No, only because I hate all children.

RADIUS

10 million to Uganda for aid per year and hundreds of million elsewhere.

Uganda spends 100's of million on military every year and we are giving them money!

We can't even afford to keep Garda stations open!

Come on lads get real! I am all for foreign aid to the truly desperate but not to countries with massive military budgets!

The government needs to get it's priorities right before they add another cent onto any tax.

wandatowell

biko wrote: »

No, only because I hate all children.

Even the fat ones?

ejmaztec

Slunk wrote: »

No. They squander huge amounts of money. They can find it elsewhere. Wouldn't even have to look hard

Down the back of Enda's sofa is usually the best place.

Wanderer2010

Absolutely 100% No. This government have lost all credibility between raising third level fees, cutting home care hours and now the cowards have the gall to say the banks practically own then by admitting they cant overthrow a decision to shore up the bank's pensions by millions not to mention their unjustified and outrageous salaries, nobody is worth 500k a year. They are all a pack of useless lying cowards and I wouldnt enter into any agreement with them, especially not using emotional blackmail over a kids hospital. :mad:

Pottler

They can ask my .... Their idea of "ringfencing" money for stuff is a bit shoddy tbf. Remember all that money that was "Ringfenced" for pensions(the NPRF)?? Just remind me what that got spent on again?

Son Of A Vidic

benwavner wrote: »

No, cancel all overseas aid for 3-5 years and use it for Ireland's benefit.

Amazing how a little country on its knees can be so generous to others. Yet we can't even look after our own.

Sky King

Fuck that, I am sure the one billion euro military budget would cover it nicely.

tayto lover

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Absolutely Not. They claim it is fully funded.

I'd just like to see faster delivery of this project, so I'd be prepared to contribute to a ring-fenced time-based tax scheme to get it built.

You must be on great money as you are also pro every kind of tax they propose.

carrig2

I would be willing to pay extra tax for this if I could believe that the money would be used for that purpose but could I believe anything this govt says? No.

Bishop_Donal

tayto lover wrote: »

You must be on great money as you are also pro every kind of tax they propose.

I'm not in favour of taxes on income/endeavour generally (and hope I have never accidentally implied that anywhere else).

That said, I genuinely believe that we need this project delivered and can only guess what it must be like to be a parent with a sick child waiting to see if/when it will ever actually happen.

Consequently, on a pure exception basis, and subject to
1.) Ring-fencing
2.) Strictly legally committed time restriction
I would be happy to support the expedited delivery of the hospital.

Running costs can be funded out of cuts in other ps expenditure which can be planned during the delivery phase.

Pottler

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

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Running costs can be funded out of cuts in other ps expenditure which can be planned during the delivery phase.

Heh heh.Heh. heh. You're new here, aren't you. By "here", I mean Ireland..

vitani

As a parent with a young child, I would consider it if it meant that the project would definitely be completed while she was still young enough to use it.

That said, I wouldn't trust them to use the extra money wisely. How much have they wasted on this project already, with all the false starts?

And it would drive me crazy to have to make more cutbacks in my own life, only to (probably) hear that the head honchos in the project were earning my hard-earned 1% in, like, an hour.

Teyla Emmagan

No, it would only be wasted. Probably going into the pockets of some developer who automatically doubled his price when he heard they were flush with cash. That or they'd stop negotiating with the hospital consultants and just pay them out of their new slush fund or something. Either way, if there was some stupid way to squander it, it would be found.

No, of course not. Whole thing would be wasted and the hospital probably closed again in no time.

JRant

Why don't we ask the national hero/martyr up in the training unit?
allegedly he's sitting on roughly the amount needed to cover it.
Just saying

delad

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

to agree to a 1% increase in the Standard Rate of Income Tax for (say) the coming three years to facilitate faster delivery of the Children's Hospital, would you tolerate it?

Our tax system is a joke, if you earn 33k a year your top rate of tax is the same as someone earning 500k a year. Time to bring in a new tax rate for those earning over 80k.

woodoo

Is that you Noonan?

Grayson

benwavner wrote: »

No, cancel all overseas aid for 3-5 years and use it for Ireland's benefit.

+1000 Let those ****ers starve.

wait, are we being serious? I can understand someone thinking that our foreign aid could be better spent. But saying we shouldn't do anything? Especially when we've received so much structural aid over the years. Not to mention farm subsidies. So to think that giving a small percentage of our income to countries that are in bits, where hundreds of thousands are starving, is actually a waste, that would be hypocritical of us. Not to mention nasty.

What? we are being serious? never mind then.




To echo a previous poster. I wouldn't mind paying extra taxes if I felt the money went to better use. I think it would also involve seeing politicians take a large pay cut too.

oppenheimer1

Furious_George wrote: »

I would if I was assured it was to go to the hospital and was used in an efficient way. I.e. no huge overruns of the project costing us millions extra as happens with so many other projects. In general I would be happy to pay more tax if I knew it was used efficiently to provide good public services. They say in Sweden people actually like paying taxes because they can see the value for their money. Why cant we have that

The new form of government contract used for construction these days means that the vast majority of projects generally come in on time and under budget.

Sky King

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The new form of government contract used for construction these days means that the vast majority of projects generally come in on time and under budget.

So what they just add 20% to the timeframe and budget then?!

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Grayson wrote: »

+1000 Let those ****ers starve.

As I said, for 3 - 5 years, not indefinately. Irish aid has been grossly misspent in these needy countries.

GalwayGuy2

Ara stop, we can get all the money we need if we tax those BASHTERDS in charge.

In Exile

Has it ever been mooted to run an appeal like they have here in Melbourne? Called The Good Friday Appeal and it is run all year round. Clubs, businesses, pubs running things throughout the year and the proceeds are all donated at the end of the year.

Have the final day televised, where they would advertise how much each county donates, get a telethon set up with Irish "celebs" answering the phones...... things like that?

People would be a lot more willing to donate if they knew it was going directly to the Children's Hospital instead of into a general tax fund where money can very easily be cut.

Also, it would bring a bit of community spirit back to places or help local soccer/rugby/GAA clubs get people back involved and turning up because it is all for a good cause.

oppenheimer1

Sky King wrote: »

So what they just add 20% to the timeframe and budget then?!

No, it just means contractors put in sensible prices. In the past you had contractors putting in ridiculously low prices in order to win the contract and making a profit on changes or unanticipated problems. In other words all the risk for efficient delivery was on the client. The new contract changed this by placing the risk on the contractor, by forcing them to have a fixed price.

You cannot say that they have just stuck 20% onto their prices and timeframe. People are competing for the contract, so its generally priced as low as possible, with a small profit if most of the risks don't materialise.

jessiejam

I would in my fuk, they can take it out of the close on 20k in income tax, car tax, vat, and whatever else i already pay.
Poor kids and all that but FUK off looking for more money.

*rant over*

jessiejam

In Exile wrote: »

Has it ever been mooted to run an appeal like they have here in Melbourne? Called The Good Friday Appeal and it is run all year round. Clubs, businesses, pubs running things throughout the year and the proceeds are all donated at the end of the year.

Have the final day televised, where they would advertise how much each county donates, get a telethon set up with Irish "celebs" answering the phones...... things like that?

People would be a lot more willing to donate if they knew it was going directly to the Children's Hospital instead of into a general tax fund where money can very easily be cut.

Also, it would bring a bit of community spirit back to places or help local soccer/rugby/GAA clubs get people back involved and turning up because it is all for a good cause.

I think that is a lovely idea but in Ireland with a population of 4 and half million, you wouldn't get next to or near what is required. Plus most people are very bitter towards this government and will be for a long time to come. Could be very different if the goverment had no hand at all in the hospital.

SafeSurfer

How about we completely scrap the overseas aid budget and use that to fast tract the children's hospital.

Then give people the option of paying an additional % of their overall tax liability to fund overseas aid.

It would be optional similar to how churches are funded through the German tax system. Tick a box if you want to contribute.

kincsem

Yes for the building. No for the payroll.