petrol in a diesel car

nipper67

hi all made a boo boo put 19 litres petrol in to my diesel car it was in the red so i filled it the rest of the way with diesel it took 43 litres it runs fine will it be ok its an 09 laguna 1.5 td

Stheno

I've known people put a few litres (less than 5) of petrol in their diesel cars to reduce emissions for the NCT.

19 litres is a lot I'd suggest not driving it anymore, and getting the tank drained?

nipper67

all most 90e in tank hard to dump

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

When you drain the engine, I'll take that petrol off your hands.

No point in wasting it now, is there.

Max Power

nipper67 wrote: »

all most 90e in tank hard to dump

Cheaper than a new engine.

colm_mcm

I'd dump it, no way I'd drive a dCi with anything other than perfect diesel coming through.

Anjobe

Unfortunately it's petrol mixed with diesel now, so unless you have your own petrol refinery....

OP, it could cost many times the €90 the fuel is worth to fix if you don't get the tank drained. Up to 10% petrol in diesel is OK in most cars, but above that it is not advisable to run the engine.

kirving

If you drive it and it breaks, you'd be wishing it only cost you €90. An older diesel would fare better, but approx 30% petrol can't be good.

Chavways

Siphon it

Green Hornet

I put 19 litres of petrol into a diesel Accord a few months ago. I copped it at the pump and pushed it to the diesel pump and topped off with diesel.

It was fine.

I did buy some conditioner and changed the fuel filter after a couple of refills. I drove gently until I'd refilled a couple of times though, keeping the revs under 2500 rpm.

MarkR

You'll either be grand, or fúcked. If you're grand, you'll be laughing you saved €90. If it's ****ed, you'll be bulling that your engine is screwed for trying to save €90.

aujopimur

If I misfuelled a car, I would'nt even switch on the ignition.

nipper67

i drove it about 40 k all is ok i think would it be acting up by now if it wasint ok

partyatmygaff

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

When you drain the engine, I'll take that petrol off your hands.

No point in wasting it now, is there.

Unless you've got a distilling tower handy, running a mix of petrol and diesel probably isn't that good of an idea on any kind of engine.

Green Hornet

Throw in some diesel conditioner to aid with lubrication. Top up regularly with diesel for a few days, very regularly, to get the % petrol down though. Then run her down to 50% full and fill up. Next time run her down low and fill with diesel and you 'should' be okay.

Change the fuel filter then.

finnegan101

nipper67 wrote: »

hi all made a boo boo put 19 litres petrol in to my diesel car it was in the red so i filled it the rest of the way with diesel it took 43 litres it runs fine will it be ok its an 09 laguna 1.5 td

in short... no....
it is possible that it may be.... but most mechanics will say if its no more then 5 litres you could be ok.... more then that can cause damage....
think it can damage the pistons as the ignition of the fuels is different and cause clanking in engine... also think it can cause the seals to go... dont ask me how...
but that is just from talking to people when a friend did it last year...... im not a mechanic though....
with a new car might be taking a chance... but would love to be told im wrong by a poster....
would i gamble on it... with older car yes... with my audi...be slower to...

Anjobe

nipper67 wrote: »

i drove it about 40 k all is ok i think would it be acting up by now if it wasint ok

Well, the engine can apparently run on that fuel mix, but how much damage is being done to the fuel pump?

It's like MarkR said, you might be OK or you might end up needing a new engine, so...are you feeling lucky?

Stinicker

Siphon it out in a drum, then refuel to the brim with Diesel. If you have an older diesel car or van you could blend in your siphoned out Diesel at a rate of say two or three litres to a full tank and it might have less of an effect.

I know a lad who added in about ten litres of petrol by mistake and he siphoned out the Diesel-Petrol mix and then added it into his home heating tank which burns Agri-Diesel. I don't know if it was a good or bad idea but he said he wasn't going to waste the fuel anyway!

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Unless you've got a distilling tower handy, running a mix of petrol and diesel probably isn't that good of an idea on any kind of engine.

I wasn't genuinely envisioning taking tomorrow off work and meeting the op at a garage somewhere in the country and walking off with a couple of buckets of whatever sh1te comes out of his car, and planning and putting it in to my tank. It was just a bit of banter. But thanks for helping me with your motoring expertise anyway.

Pat Mustard

nipper67 wrote: »

i drove it about 40 k all is ok i think would it be acting up by now if it wasint ok

I wouldn't take any further chances with it, if I were you.

http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/AA-Membership/Fuel-assist.aspx
From the AA website:

If you've added more than 10% (5 litres in a 50 litre tank) petrol - Drain the tank and refill with diesel

Also:

Diesel fuel pumps operate on very fine tolerances and are lubricated by the diesel fuel itself.

Petrol in diesel acts as a solvent – it reduces lubrication and can cause damage to the pump through metal to metal contact.

The further the contaminated petrol goes in the system the more expensive the repair – it can be cheaper in more extreme cases to fit a new engine.

The newer common rail (or HDi) diesel engines are particularly vulnerable – if fuel contaminated by pump wear debris gets as far as the common rail system you may have to replace the low and high-pressure fuel pumps, injectors, fuel rail, line filters and the fuel tank too.

AA goes on to give an estimate of €440 for a fuel drain or €2000 for replacement parts.

Michael_1

I am sorry I would have to agree with aujopimur and I would not have touched the ignition, however I love my car and if there is a possibility of the car suffering permanent damage I would have erred on the side of caution

Green Hornet

Stinicker wrote: »

Siphon it out in a drum, then refuel to the brim with Diesel. If you have an older diesel car or van you could blend in your siphoned out Diesel at a rate of say two or three litres to a full tank and it might have less of an effect.

I don't think you can siphon modern cars though?

nipper67

thanks lads will get it done in the am

bcmf

Put 10 ltrs of petrol into a pd 1.9tdi engine before. The gauge was in the red.
Drove circa 10 miles before it started to run like a bag of spanners.Luckily enough wasnt too far from my mechanic. Changed the filter and drained the tank and refilled with diesel and no harm was done. In fact the complete opposite. Car ran brilliantly for a while and mpg was up.
Just saying.......

naughtysmurf

Drain the tank & change the fuel filter, you will sleep better
My story is here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056750386

Jay D

I put €15 petrol into diesel vehicle in a few years ago, when petrol was around €1 pl.

So might be around the same as what you put in, even more. My advise was to top it up on Diesel and keep it topped up for a while. Was totally fine. Just keep it topped up i guess and you'll be grand

Ronnie Beck

30 euro offered for fuel. In Galway area.

Thatnastyboy

Ronnie Beck wrote: »

30 euro offered for fuel. In Galway area.

:eek:

two-time soapbox derby champion Ronnie Beck?

Ronnie Beck

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

:eek:

two-time soapbox derby champion Ronnie Beck?

That's the one.

On a serious note, don't drive that car anywhere. Get it drained. The diesel wont be able to lubricate your fuel pump and injectors. This means metal rubbing against metal rather than a film of oil. It would 'be grand`in the early 90's but don't do it now.

Ronnie Beck

nipper67 wrote: »

i drove it about 40 k all is ok i think would it be acting up by now if it wasint ok

It's not going to blow up. Nothing will happen. You''l just do a few years wear on your pump and injectors in a week.

derry

There is not a well known fact that Diesel fuel varies a lot from country to country region to region .Most Car manufacturers build that factor into the design of the Diesel engines so they can sell their cars across all the regions of the world and have little or no local tuning done to compensate for the different fuels .In the distillation of fuel from crude oil it is nearly impossible to ensure the heavier carbon hydrogen molecules that make diesel are not contaminated with the lighter carbon hydrogen molecules that make petrol's and kerosene's and Paraffin's and also the more heavier carbon hydrogen molecules that make bunker fuel oils for power plants. So we can say all diesel fuel world wide are majority diesel contaminated with some percentage of the other fuels . In many third world countries where kerosene fuel is generally more abundant and ESB type power stations and power grids are lacking its very normal to find electric generators that are made using car engines that are made to run on Kerosene. These Kerosene generator engines are the same that one finds on cars with a few modification to run on the kerosene .I know one guy in the planet that ran his 1990 Toyota Carina 2 liter diesel non turbo for 200,000 miles on pure kerosene with no ill effects as in his part of the world the kerosene was much cheaper and more easy to get . The biggest issue using kerosene in car diesel engines is the issues of turbos , the issues of fuel pumps and the issues for injectors . Kerosene fuels like petrol fuels burn hotter inside the engines than diesel fuels do .In hot climates the car might not be able to cool the engine so the temperature would rise so driving slower or stopping would cure this problem .The other issues are the hotter fuels exiting from the exhaust could make the turbos suffer damage at high speeds where the temperatures would be higher than designed to cope with .Keeping the RPM low and not towing heavy trailers up steep mountain passes should keep the exhaust temperatures low enough to not suffer these issues . Diesel fuel has a lot of lubrication qualities due to the contamination of very heavy carbon hydrogen molecules where lubrication oil comes from .The fuel pumps on many modern cars are made assuming there is lubrication from the Diesel fuels .Running on Kerosene there is nearly no lubrication so the pumps can suffer .Running on petrol there is less lubrication so pumps can suffer . However as said earlier the car manufactures also sell their engines for electric generators which use Kerosene only and best i can figure they still use the same pumps as cars so seems to be some engines have this problem but not all. A fuel pump new is €1000 euros . However there are repair kits for many pumps at €100. So this issue tends to be exaggerated as many home mechanics can repair the pump . Garages if you can find one that will do it for you tend to charge stupid money €500 or thereabouts to fit the kits to the old pumps . The issue of injectors is slightly more complex . Its often the Bio fuel guys who run foul of this problem .They cook up and use the bio fuel to run car and 20,000 miles downstream they need to replace the injectors .There is the issue the extra acid nature of bio fuel that attacks the injectors .Also the acid can effect other parts of the fuel system the rubber from fuel tanks etc that were not made to be in high acid fuel.Knowledgeable Bio fuel people who know how to make their bio fuel non acid and non alkaline don't suffer these problems and can run Bio for hundreds of thousands of miles if they have also increased the fuel through put to the engine .(Most all fuels are slightly acidic and cars are made to cope with this but bio fuels and washed fuels can be too acidic so its relative acid is the problem ) Bio fuels do not give as many Miles per gallon as Diesel fuels .If you add 20% bio fuel to the diesel engine there is often no modifications needed much other than ensure the bio fuel is not acidic. If you add 50% or more Bio fuel the engine at high speeds might not get enough fuel to do the work and this will create excess heat in the engines ( lean burning issues) .This excess heat can effect the injectors reduce their life and in severe cases wreck the injectors or even the engine .Injectors usually are good for 200,000 miles to 300,000 miles and are not cheap often more than € 1000 euros for 4 injectors depending the make and model of car . When we mix higher amounts of kerosene and petrol's into the diesel fuels we get the same issues as using higher amounts of Bio fuels the lack of lubrication and the lack of energy from the fuels . Often the engines will run happily on these higher amounts of contaminated fuel at low RPM ad low power demands but high speeds and hard work hill climbing fully loaded will expose the fuels inability to perform correctly. Often a once off contaminated tank will have little or no effect if the speed and rpm is kept low until new correct fuel is put in .I don't know if there is any acidic issues with petrol fuels but I don't think so .
What this all points out is the majority of fuel issues really go back to the oil refinery's .The more petrol and kerosene the oil refinery can stuff in to the diesel fuel they sell the less costly it is to make the fuel .
Equally the same applies to petrol's to a even greater extent .The more kerosene and Diesel fuel and heavy oills they can stuff into the petrol the better for them .It reduces the MPG for the car user so they sell more Fuels .Its cheaper to refine and if there is bit of waste oil to get rd off its cheaper to get the motorists car with its Catalytic reactor to burn up the waste oil than for them to pay to dispose of it .
In Ireland we seem to have the worst petrol of Europe .This is seen in that two stroke suppliers of machines outboards motor and motor bike etc will tell you there is not enough lubrication in Irish petrol to allow engine to run on 2% lubricating oils .In Ireland most 2 stroke supplier will recommended using 4% instead of the USA and mainland Europeans 2% lubricating oil.
I know on my diesel car i get on average 10% more MPG when i go on the mainland of Europe using continental diesel fuels .In Spain they offer two diesel fuels Gasoil A cheaper stuff and Gasoil 10.more pricy and claims to give more MPG .Best I can figure the extra diesel fuel uses more heavier carbon hydrogen molecules with less contaminated fuel from kerosene and petrol's in the mix and seems to give a 10% increase in MPG for a 5% increase in price .The gas oil A in Spain seems to be marginally better than than Irish diesel but not as good for MPG as French or German diesel fuels. The Spanish admit this difference so they give you two choices crud or good stuff and two separate pumps .Ireland mostly stiffs us with crud end of story as the majority the fuel comes from whiddy island and its all the same crud. Its the old trick of put saw dust in the flour to increase profits and the oil refinery's in Ireland can do that easy there is sod all competition
Putting more petrol or kerosene in the fuel mix will case the fuel to burn better hotter and make less emissions for passing a NCT test .The extra heat will mean the oil leak which is leaking into the engine that would cause to emissions to detect it would be masked as the extra heat from the petrol or kerosene fuel will burn up that heavy oil. .MPG will drop and heavy work or high speeds not recommended especially for turbo cars
As the petrol in Ireland seems to be relative closer to kerosene and diesel mix and diesel in Ireland is relative closer to a kerosene and petrol mix your mistake looks possibly to less of issue than for other parts of Europe where petrol is petrol and diesel is diesel
If t was me that made that mistake if engine ran Ok I would drive slowly keep RPM down and every few liters i used use top up with diesel to get the mix back down to more like Irish diesel. Also I would use those diesel products to help wash the injectors and do their stuff to keep acid levels down in the fuels .Also the majority petrol fuels might tend separate out and being lighter carbon hydrogen fuels tend to float on the top of the tank. Therefore it could take several tanks full tanks top ups to dilute the petrol's from the system if the tank is 100 liters for example and you keep to top it up every 20 liters of use it might take up to 20 refills of that nature to purge all the petrol from the system and about 10 refills should make it doesn't matter so much for most normal driving . Assuming you park your car in your own front yard away from public and vandals and outside not in garage if you leave the top of the fuel cap off at night some of the petrol fuel will vapor out .This is because lighter petrol carbon hydrogen molecules is more likely to vapor than diesel fuels.You need to ensure rain cant get into the tank inlet.

If you go down to the local garage or car supplies and get some 5 gallon drums and a suitable siphon tube where you don't suck but pump the fuel you could extract the fuel . Then top up with diesel .Then when You have used every 20 liters of diesel on 100 liter tank you use you 20 liters added to the mix when you do a fill fill up of 80 liters then add the 20 liters . It will take longer but your average fuel will be closer to 95% Irish diesel .This requires you have a suitable place to store that much fuel . house insurance and car insurance generally only allows Small amounts like 1/2 gallon or one gallon for storage .Also bear in mind petrol is life span of thee months shelf life and then the fuel starts to separate out is more gungy stuff making it cause problems to use as fuel for petrol cars .

Good luck .If you study the old days ww2 and similar when they used to use their own home brew mixes for the TVO tractor vapor oil you would see fuel is voodoo believe only in this product. In those early tractors They would run the engines using pure petrol for some uses right through to near pure diesel for other uses the majority mix was kerosene mixes .Modern engines due to the fact the world market is so diverse have often been forced to ensure the engines can run on the crud fuels the third world and Ireland supplies .This hopefully will give you the head room you need to flush out the system .
Its fairly easy if you pre heat diesel , kerosene,paraffin fuel to make a petrol engine run on these fuels.There would be often be no real long term bad effects but power would be down and the engine would return less MPG and with parrifins there would be more soot issues to clean out. (Needless to say most CAT will be wreked from the extra soot and unburnt fuels ejected into the CAT making cat very hot so not useful information for modern cars but more frequently seen in third world electric generators where petrol is to expensive )
Getting a diesel to run on Pure 100% petrol is tad more tricky you can really only run it with patrol vapor through the air intake mixed with air .The engine would only run ok for light loads and slow speeds . Again this was the methods the TVO tractors would use in the past or on ships with generators that were of older makes and started on petrol and switched over to kerosene or diesel fuels

The original TVO used this logic light loads going to place to work fill up with pure petrol or kerosene petrol mix with high petrol mix ratio .Heavy work ploughing use high kerosene mix with less petrol.Later after the war they changed the formula to use some diesel fuels in the mix for more heavy work .Their early ww2 tractors compression ratio of 12:1 compared to modern car higher compression made pure diesel hard to run with so was seldom used .(Diesel fuel doesn't like to vapor as easily as petrol and kerosene fuel will is the main issue ).The introduction of the fuel injector made diesel engines become more popular .The injector had less effect and benits for the petrol duels fairly until recently so carburetors were preferred for petrol engines

Early diesel engines were made to run on many fuels and fuel mixes including peanut butter oil
Each fuel and each mix has it benefits and issues
I know that some high performance turbo diesel cars made in Germany bought in Germany brought to Ireland some have had severe engine problems from pure Irish fuels they bought in the Irish local garages .I don't know if that was from the washed diesel problem where the fuel is full of acid and (they say that 20% of local garages now sell washed diesel ) but its my own guess its the high content of kerosene and petrol in our diesel fuel washed and unwashed that got the turbos when they went very high RPM . I saw in Spain the other week a UK plated Alfa Romero car turbo 2 liter diesel (yeah diesel alfa Romero exist ) blow up the turbo and my guess was the fact they used the crud diesel fuel gasoil A and were driving in 40 degrees and driving hard high RPM got the turbo . The owners were surprised they had done many thousands of miles in UK with no problems and the rest of Europe even in high temperatures but it blew in Spain .


Derry

Ronnie Beck

In summary by your reckoning common rail diesel engines are designed to tolerate 5% contamination in the fuel? Anymore and your accelerating pump/injector wear and the increased EGT's will wreck your turbo seals.


OP your tank is roughly 30% petrol.

derry

Ronnie Beck wrote: »

In summary by your reckoning common rail diesel engines are designed to tolerate 5% contamination in the fuel? Anymore and your accelerating pump/injector wear and the increased EGT's will wreck your turbo seals.


OP your tank is roughly 30% petrol.

I cant say for sure
However kerosene is really only 7 parts paraffin one part petrol
I know that there are turbine engines made to run on kerosene that if necessary will run on diesel fuel or diesel and petrol mixed .If the content of the petrol is high the turbine engine will require to be run on less power .
Its all to the with the weights of the molecules of fuels what is the average of the fuel . Diesel and petrol mixed will resemble to the engine for burning a kerosene type mix .A diesel engine is not effected so much by octane issues but by Cetain levels .Adding petrol to the diesel will make the Cetan levels drop. .If enough petrol is added the Cetan levels will be too low for the engine to work .If the engine or fuel is preheated the same fuel might function then using the heat from the engine to ignite the fuel .However injectors seals are different issue in they might have some issues from the different fuels either from the extra heat or from the chemical nature. However on both counts I suspect that isn't the case as the seals have always got to resist the low levels of petrol that is in all diesel fuels . Also the heat is often from a function of the speed you drive at or RPM .Yes if the car goes full speeds or uses high RPM then the limits of the seals might be reached .I suspect slow driving low RPM if the engine is running its not going to impact the injectors .
The pump wear again would be issue that varies a lot from each engine Toyota non turbo seems not to be an issue .More modern more high performance engines seems could be issues but if your good home mechanic costs about €100 to fix with pump repair kits .
If your an average joe with no garage for working in and no mechanical abilities with much newer high performance car cheaper to remove the fuel than pay the price of the €1000 pump.If you like me with older Toyota Carina 2liter 200,000 mile value €300 on a good day then its probably better to risk it and keep going . Its the OP call what he wants to do
My guess is all that will happen is he will get awfull MPG from the fuel that all provided he keeps speeds lowish ~50 mph and RPM low as possible and keeps away from steep hill climbs towing trailers and loading up car with lots of heavy thins like fat wife and fat kids with the kitchen sink thown in for weekend holiday

Derry

derry

Anjobe wrote: »

Unfortunately it's petrol mixed with diesel now, so unless you have your own petrol refinery....

OP, it could cost many times the €90 the fuel is worth to fix if you don't get the tank drained. Up to 10% petrol in diesel is OK in most cars, but above that it is not advisable to run the engine.

Cant say I am a fan of that logic but its not so hard to do as one thinks
Crude oil is put into a big kettle and the crude oil is heated up .The lighter stuff like petrol floats to the top and heavier stuff like diesel sinks to the bottom and the in between stuff is the paraffin and kerosene

There is video on the net distilling gasoline Petrol .The reason they make this video is they want to get the old fashion clean burning pure petrol that one uses in camping stoves .This fuel has a trade name Colemans fuel In the uSA its cost ~$ 8 a gallon for Colemans fuel where ordinary petrol at the fuel station cost less than $4. The Comemans fuel burns in camping stoves cleanly .Using ordinary car petrol your leaf with lots of soot and toxic stuff . Colemans fuels cost in Ireland 500cc cans only about €10 or ~€80 euro USA gallon or ~$100 a Irish gallon so Colemans camping stoves are rare in Ireland I wonder why ???
If as they do in the video they heat the petrol carefully the lighter more pure petrol will leave in vapor and they collect it .This clear stuff is Colmans petrol equivalent pure petrol minus the crud that is put in by refinery s to make the octane higher. Most of this crud about 15% in the USA ( probably 30% in Ireland is stuff like toluene ).Toluene fuel doesn't burn properly inside the engine and often burns inside the CAT of the car (Toulene is sorta like pant stripper smells like it too.Toluene fuel is more like a kerosene fuel than petrol Modern petrol cars can run on 100% Toulene but MPG is awful but power is better . The more toluene the refinery can put in the fuel the better for them the worse for the motorist as MPG goes down ) However modern cars cannot now burn pure petrol as the compression they have about 10: 1 makes fuel not function.So some toluene or some ethanol alcohol must be added to pure petrol to make pure petrol work .As petrol is the lighted material heating it and using the distill solution one can get back the pure petrol fuel ( this stuff is clear will vapor quickly easily and be more like natural gas in the ability to make a vapor mix in room that will explode if there is ignition source so I for sure cant recommenced distilling your own gasoline Petrol)
However if one had a barrel of diesel petrol oil mix in the middle of a field with no ignition sources and heated fuel the petrol would vapor out from the fuel easily.Even warm day will boil off the most of the petrol and some of the toulene in the petrol .
To refine properly would require a thermostatically controlled heating element .Petrol the lightest stuff will vapor at the lower temperature .When all the petrol has vapored or boiled off then increasing the temperature would then boil of the toluene .The rest left would be diesel fuels and some other chemicals left over from the petrol .
However if you didn't want to lose this petrol then you would need to distill the vapor that boils off to collect the petrol
However it would cost more to do this than the 40 euros of petrol that one would get back
here is video done in this guys work shop using large kettle on how to distill gasoline what we call petrol (distilling gasoline )

Distilling Gasoline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY6stOum0wM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY6stOum0wM&feature=related

Derry

djimi

Derry you really need to make much better use of paragraphs...

nipper67

thanks guys went to garage today he said it would be ok put some slick in and told me to keep it toped and drive handy for two weeks and to call him if it stoped or any funny noise he didnt give me his number?

djimi

nipper67 wrote: »

thanks guys went to garage today he said it would be ok put some slick in and told me to keep it toped and drive handy for two weeks and to call him if it stoped or any funny noise he didnt give me his number?

That sounds like shockingly bad advice... Drive it and call him if it stops? Christ knows how much damage could have been done by that point.

deandean

OP per Derry's advice - leave the fuel cap off and light a small fire under the fuel tank.

When the fumes stop giving you a Class A high, the petrol fractions are probably gone and you'll be grand.

BTW Derry - you are one well-informed dude! '10 things to do before I die' - distilling petrol - OK I'll leave that till number 9!

derry

deandean wrote: »

OP per Derry's advice - leave the fuel cap off and light a small fire under the fuel tank.

When the fumes stop giving you a Class A high, the petrol fractions are probably gone and you'll be grand.

BTW Derry - you are one well-informed dude! '10 things to do before I die' - distilling petrol - OK I'll leave that till number 9!

Well there is also a very well informed bunch of unqualified home brew chemists in Dublin better in formed than me on the art of distilling petrol
I found out when I went to camping shop to buy Colemans petrol for use in my fuel tank to reduce the emissions from car using cleaner burning fuel added to crap Irish petrol that there was lots of regulars coming in to buy the stuff .It seems that part of the formula for making METHs a type of artificial drug requires the use of pure petrol or Colemans fuel. The camping shop was doing roaring trade at €9 a 500cc bottle and No they could not import 1 gallon containers due to fire Hazard .Compare that to the USA where its ~$6 or €4 a USA gallon 3.85 liters in the hardware shop .Anyway the camping shop was lamenting that the METHS heads business fell off a cliff once they figured out how to distill it themselves and did not have to pay the ~€60 a USA gallon and could make it for about ~€9 a irish gallon or €2 euros a liter . That was ten times cheaper than camping shop .He used to sell crates of the stuff and then one day poof no sales . Anyway I bought the 500cc added it to ~1 gallon of fuel along with 300cc of E85 ethanol alcohol fuel and reduced the emissions down to 0.01 CO nearly undetectable for the NCT .(I dont add too much Colemans type petrol as it burns very very hot and the extra heat can kill the CAT in the exhaust .If your CAT has blue colors on it probably been cooked with some bad batch of Irish fuels with too much hot fuel in the mix ) The colmans will reduce the octane so you need to add some hgh octane material to bring up octane or you get pinging .Toluene will do this but Toluene dosn't burn well so not good for NCT .etanol alcohol some 15 to 30% added will raise the octane .ethanol burns well with less emissions.Again not too much as it burns very low temperature than petrol and could cool the engine too much. About 5% of colmans will improve many engines enough to pass the NCT emmisions .Bad motors 5% colmans and 20% ethanol will get the sickest engines past the NCT provided engines are warmed up two hours before NCT driven hard for two hours keep engine ticking over have tank close to empty then add in home brew and enter the NCT place .This is so the engine and CAT stays hot as possible for NCT
The point is that local METHS head living next door to you might be distilling petrol with his stove because the Camping shops cant source the stuff at intelligent prices .The Meths heads chemists it seems know about chemicals than most chemists and will always find ways to get he chemicals they need .Meths heads wouldn't bother to distill it if it was €10 a gallon but they do distill it at €60 a gallon
So you might find that its number two on your list when your escaping from house on fire when Meths heads get it wrong and light a ciggarate
Derry