FireWorks.Should they be sold In ROI?

notnumber

Well tonight is the night,plenty of fireworks illuminating the night skies,dodgy house alarms going off and dogs undergoing nervous breakdowns due to the bangs.But shouldn't they be legalised?give retail a chance to increase their sales and hence the state benefits in VAT.At the moment the only people benefitting is the North and the black market.

Grayson

All I can hear right now is BANG BANG BANG

So no. They shouldn't be sold.

Actually to be fair, sell them to anyone any time except the two months before Halloween,

girl2

I hate fireworks. People can be left blinded and animals terrorised with them. So no, they shouldn't be allowed to be sold.

TeddyTedson

Perhaps, but there should be a fireworks display on in a few places around the county to make an event of it.

Professey Chin

The things havent actually stopped since about half 5

Sirsok

They wouldnt be cool anymore if they were legal

notnumber

girl2 wrote: »

I hate fireworks. People can be left blinded and animals terrorised with them. So no, they shouldn't be allowed to be sold.

I think we are all aware of the dangers but the fact they ain't sold here wont change that.Its not hard to buy them on the sly here as it is.But I would say only sell them for the week leading up to Halloween and to over 18's.

starviewadams

May aswell at this stage,kids have no bother getting their hands on them anyways.Council round here don't bother putting bonfires or displays on anymore either.

UCDVet

Maybe I'm just old and boring....but I don't see the point.

Now, I'm all for people doing whatever they want, so long as it doesn't negatively impact myself or others who do not want to be involved. If you've got a BIG plot of land and want to set off things that make a lot of noise - good for you!

The problem is that I live in Dublin. I don't think ANYONE here has enough land to set-off fireworks without disturbing other people.

Aside from that, there is the more practical problem of people hurting themselves (sometimes severely) with them. In a perfect world, I'd say if people want to risk their own safety - let them. But in the real world, lots of innocent people/children will be hurt because some kid's nephew's brother got them some fireworks....and when the kid does get hurt and gets the bill - we're all going to end up paying it.

Fireworks *are* dangerous. Unlike lots of other dangerous things, there isn't much of an argument for why we need them. Cars are dangerous but they help society function, they help things get delivered and help people get to work. We benefit from cars. Fireworks? Not so much.

I understand people want to celebrate or whatever....that's cool. Let the professionals handle the fireworks, take your family to see the show, and go home. It's much safer *and* would be confined to reasonable hours.

ChunkyLover_53

Yes we should Legalise the sale of them...

...then tax the sh1t out of 'em like the smokes

anyone willing to rocket their money into the sky deserves to pay revenue for the privilige

notnumber

starviewadams wrote: »

.Council round here don't bother putting bonfires or displays on anymore either.

Yeah but the fireman have a busy night putting them out..The whole bonfire thing and the toxic crap they burn is far worse than fireworks.I didnt mind the fireworks and the pretty displays too much tbh for one night!
Unless their is a ban in the North, the state unable to control their sale should legalize,regulate and tax them but only to levels that make it unfeasible to go up North to get them.

questionmark?

Here in the UK they are of course legal. Strictly over 18's. Most places ask for ID for them if your look under 30. Having them in a public place is illegal (the police will follow this up) and letting them off at anti-social hours will lead to a prosecution for anti social behavour and/or getting kicked out of your house (unless you own it)

Result? Loads of fireworks going off early enough in the evening in private property and generally people not acting like pricks.

Sky King

It's gas, you always see them in NI riots though.

Nodin

notnumber wrote: »

Well tonight is the night,plenty of fireworks illuminating the night skies,dodgy house alarms going off and dogs undergoing nervous breakdowns due to the bangs.But shouldn't they be legalised?give retail a chance to increase their sales and hence the state benefits in VAT.At the moment the only people benefitting is the North and the black market.

..thread needs a poll tbh.

Dangerous Man

It doesn't matter. The rats would get their hands on them and do their usual rat business.

cloud_dancer

No I hate the things. The dog is going crazy all evening.

triple-M

are they illegal anywhere esle in europe?

TheUsual

Well they are sold. Just not legally.

I think we should man-up a bit and make better and more powerful fireworks here for a change.
Like ones that can be seen on google maps.

entropi

As much as the people legalising them might like the extra revenue to the state, and as much as I love a good firework, I still think they should be banned. There is no way of telling the knackers who will abuse their use, from the people who would gladly help set up a neighbourhood firework display for the locals.

Then there are the animals to think of, who are terrified come every Hallowe'en and stressed out of their minds.

eth0

Yea they should, let the scobies have their night of fun. I'd be an awful curtain twitching doe juffy caller if I couldn't listen to a few 'pop' noises one night of the year.

Although I'm tempted to waste a cartridge of the shotgun just to let them know they're not the only fcukers who can make a bit of noise

Larianne

No. It would just increase the amount of fireworks the knacks would let off, leading to more injuries and damage.

At least now there's a limit to which they can buy.

smellslikeshoes

They are so omnipresent there really is no point in them being illegal. All it does is send a few million of profit up north every year.

afro man

Larianne wrote: »

No. It would just increase the amount of fireworks the knacks would let off, leading to more injuries and damage.

At least now there's a limit to which they can buy.

don't think there is any limit to what they can buy them seem to have no problem getting them.

The_Gatsby

The only people who want to buy fireworks these days are scumbag kids and even at that all they want is black cats to put in bins or stick in dog ****. Those kids need a good old catherine wheel up the hole, then they'd know about it.

notnumber

triple-M wrote: »

are they illegal anywhere esle in europe?

from a cursory glance at wiki seems they sold to consumers in many countries albeit with type of firework and age restrictions...apart from Ireland fails to mention any other country where they are illegal.

ISDW

questionmark? wrote: »

Here in the UK they are of course legal. Strictly over 18's. Most places ask for ID for them if your look under 30. Having them in a public place is illegal (the police will follow this up) and letting them off at anti-social hours will lead to a prosecution for anti social behavour and/or getting kicked out of your house (unless you own it)

Result? Loads of fireworks going off early enough in the evening in private property and generally people not acting like pricks.

You must live in a really nice place.

My brother was buying fireworks in England when he was about 14, he looked older, but no ID was ever asked for. Living in London, fireworks would be going off for over a month, at all times of the night. We then moved out to a quieter town in Somerset, still had to endure weeks of fireworks being set off by under age kids. The problems over there are just the same as here, its like alcohol, theres always someone who's old enough to buy them, and who wants to be cool with the kids, so will go into the shop with their money and get what they want.

miss no stars

It'd be nice if say, all local GAA clubs were allowed to purchase a supply and to have a small show. Then throw the book at anyone else who has them. That way there might not be so many of them.

My dog says no. He really doesn't want them sold here.

afro man

miss no stars wrote: »

It'd be nice if say, all local GAA clubs were allowed to purchase a supply and to have a small show. Then throw the book at anyone else who has them. That way there might not be so many of them.

My dog says no. He really doesn't want them sold here.

why only local gaa clubs :mad: plenty of local rugby / soccer clubs out there as well

the groutch

things like this are why they should never be made legal

(Note: Link contains graphic images that some people may find disturbing)

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dog-put-down-after-fireworks-savagery-2341207.html?start=2

previous user

yes fire is good

miss no stars

afro man wrote: »

why only local gaa clubs :mad: plenty of local rugby / soccer clubs out there as well

Cos pretty much every community seems to have one. Not every community has a rubgy or soccer club. proviso would be that they can't refuse admission to anyone unless they believe they're going to be a danger to other people/themselves. But whatever, one sports club from every community would do it. Big open space, too. Nice and safe. I'm not actually a big fan of GAA, much prefer rugby myself, but the reality is that GAA is throughout the country in pretty much the smallest of areas you'll see.

Washington Irving

UCDVet wrote: »

kid's nephew's brother

How many kids have nephews? And wouldn't a nephew's brother also be a nephew?

Once anything illegal can be obtained easily, it's legality should be reviewed.

Dravokivich

Deleted User wrote: »

Once anything illegal can be obtained easily, it's legality should be reviewed.

I'd of thought they should investigate and crack down on it. but hey.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'd of thought they should investigate and crack down on it. but hey.

How?

dollypet

Sell them sure- tax the fook outta them- country needs the money

shruikan2553

Considering how easy it is to get them and they dont seem to want to enforce it I say let them be legal but only sold to over 18s (over 25 might be better), illegal to carry without a reason (ie, just bought them, taking them to a friends party), if under 18 have them be taken away, if caught misusing them be done for attempted GBH or something.

yoyo

Fireworks yes, bangers no. In saying that a quick glance at the NI Bargain Alerts forum shows just how easy it is to get bangers up north very cheap, even though there and in the UK in general they are supposidly illegal :rolleyes::rolleyes: .

Nick

smellslikeshoes

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'd of thought they should investigate and crack down on it. but hey.

The Gardai don't have even close to enough resources to do this in any meaningful way especially when fireworks are usually let off on the Emergency services busiest night.

bodhrandude

I dont mind a fireworks display which is organised but I really hate explosions going off at stupid oclock. Felt sorry for that poor guy during Hurricane Sandy who thought he was lighting a candle and didnt realise it was a firework and blew his hand off.

PizzamanIRL

They're just one of those things that aren't allowed but people always get their hands on them.

Like drugs.

Save the hassle and legalise the lot of it.

There is too many scumbags who think bangers are a 'laugh' and something that should be thrown at animals, into gardens, at people walking past, middle of the night etc.

The last thing you want is more of them on the street, they'd be still going for weeks after halloween.

Kev.OC

the groutch wrote: »

things like this are why they should never be made legal

(Note: Link contains graphic images that some people may find disturbing)

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dog-put-down-after-fireworks-savagery-2341207.html?start=2

Ok, I'm sorry, but that brings out the "mob justice" side of me. I know that accomplishes absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I honestly don't care. If the people who did that were to be put through some physical discomfort I wouldn't lose any sleep. [/rant]

However, all that being said, I'd still be in favour of legalising fireworks. There should be restrictions on who could buy them, you'd have to be at least 21. And nothing too big without a licence. But in this day and age I don't think they should be illegal. Not when you can hop into the car, drive a few miles north and get them hassle free.

They should be legalised and taxed.

B.A._Baracus

They should be legal here. People buy them for Halloween as it is.

juan.kerr

Not sure if it is the recession or better enforcement or whatever but the quantity of bangers is significantly down on 4 or 5 years ago.

I've no idea why anyone would want to go back to 2 weeks of bangers going off.

Halloween is 1 day, not a week before and after the 31st.

juan.kerr

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

How many kids have nephews? And wouldn't a nephew's brother also be a nephew?

Thought it was his brothers nephews kid though?

Capt'n Midnight

triple-M wrote: »

are they illegal anywhere esle in europe?

Regular deaths in Naples , some from fireworks some from guns
http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/notizia.php?IDNotizia=482051&IDCategoria=2694

In Naples police discovered a clandestine factory, seizing four tonnes of fireworks and arresting one man
...
In the last five years there have been three New Year celebration deaths in the southern Italian city. Women in Naples got so fed up with their menfolk in 2008 that they launched a 'no sex if you let off fireworks' drive. The operation had some success as the number of injuries dropped by about 100 to 382 that year. But one person was killed by a stray bullet - the second year running that someone was accidentally shot dead on New Year's Eve.

Another question is how many death are caused by the market for fireworks

23 dead in Holland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enschede_fireworks_disaster

133 dead in India (happens a lot)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/sep/05/firework-factory-explosion-india-video


Other factories have gone up in recently in China, Russia , Honduras

Dravokivich

Deleted User wrote: »

How?

Far be it from me to tell someone else how to do a job I've no experience in, but making something legal, purely because they can't seem to get a handle on it, is as much as smack in the face as your "How?" comment.

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

The Gardai don't have even close to enough resources to do this in any meaningful way especially when fireworks are usually let off on the Emergency services busiest night.

All I said was just because they seem unable to cope, doesn't mean it should be made legal. If it is as big a problem especially this time of the year, they'd need to put forward a big investigation/operation into it. Making them legal does not stop them from being a problem.

Hilly Bill

Bonfires and fireworks has feck all to do with Halloween so they shouldnt be sold here. If Bonfire night on 5th of November gets celebrated here then sell them and only a few days before.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

Far be it from me to tell someone else how to do a job I've no experience in, but making something legal, purely because they can't seem to get a handle on it, is as much as smack in the face as your "How?" comment.

It's not a ridiculous notion.. If you can't regulate it, then maybe it should be made legal. Look at prohibition or the pointless war on drugs.. Fireworks are no different.

LordSutch

notnumber wrote: »

FireWorks.Should they be sold In ROI?

YES, Fireworks should officially be brought back!

They were of course openly sold here in the shops (pre 1969/70) or there abouts, and then there was some some kind of warehouse fire on the quays in Dublin, somebody died, and the ban commenced (if memory serves me correctly)?