Marked Gas Oil

Dad11

Anyone know where you would get reasonably priced Marked Gas Oil ?

aujopimur

Marked gas oil is an engine fuel.
Home heating oil or kerosene is for heating. What is it for and where are you?.

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aujopimur wrote: »

Marked gas oil is an engine fuel.
Home heating oil or kerosene is for heating. What is it for and where are you?.

marked gas oil is used for home heating too

Dad11

I am based in Co.Clare. Marked Gas Oil is used for home heating. If anyone.knows where.i can.get some all Oil Delivery Companies.seem to want min order!

Billy Bunting

is your burner set for burning gas oil ?

corkgsxr

Billy Bunting wrote: »

is your burner set for burning gas oil ?

Condensing oil boilers can't run on gas oil. Photocells keep going black.

Billy Bunting

corkgsxr wrote: »

Condensing oil boilers can't run on gas oil. Photocells keep going black.

Right!!:rolleyes: and who mentioned condensing boilers ?

corkgsxr

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Right!!:rolleyes: and who mentioned condensing boilers ?

Just saying because if he tried to set it for gas oil and it was condensing it would keep cutting out, wasn't a go at you or anything

Billy Bunting

corkgsxr wrote: »

Condensing oil boilers can't run on gas oil. Photocells keep going black.

corkgsxr wrote: »

Just saying because if he tried to set it for gas oil and it was condensing it would keep cutting out, wasn't a go at you or anything

I honestly can't see the OP setting his burner for gas oil, anyone with the equipment to do so wouldnt really be asking the question in the first place.

corkgsxr

Billy Bunting wrote: »

I honestly can't see the OP setting his burner for gas oil, anyone with the equipment to do so wouldnt really be asking the question in the first place.

Fair point

shane0007

corkgsxr wrote: »

Condensing oil boilers can't run on gas oil. Photocells keep going black.

So are there no condensing boilers in Europe? As nearly every boiler in Europe runs on Gas Oil. Condensing boilers can run on Gas Oil. It is just not worth releasing the settings in this country as there is no Building Control to ensure the burners are set up correctly and it would be a nightmare for the manufacturers on call outs from incorrectly fit & forget attitudes here.
Another example, one of the only condensing modulating oil boilers on the market is the Viessmann Vitoladen. This can only be run Gas Oil. Viessmann categorically state that if you run it on Kerosene, you have no warranty.

corkgsxr

And ours state kerosene only. Have had to run one for a while on gas oil and they don't run right. Maybe it's burner design

Billy Bunting

shane0007 wrote: »

So are there no condensing boilers in Europe? As nearly every boiler in Europe runs on Gas Oil.

You're starting to worry me Shane, you're sounding like Hienbollock.

shane0007

Billy Bunting wrote: »

You're starting to worry me Shane, you're sounding like Hienbollock.

Lol

corkgsxr

If it's marked gas how do they stop waxing at low temperatures?

shane0007

corkgsxr wrote: »

If it's marked gas how do they stop waxing at low temperatures?

Burner pre-heater

DGOBS

Shane is correct, condensing boilers CAN run on gas oil, some lucky few even have the manufacturers instructions on the correct set up!

JR Ewing

Two points-

1. You wouldn't want to run a condensing boiler on MGO anyway as it is 4c per litre more expensive than Kerosene

2. The wholesale cost of MGO today is just over 90c per litre from the refinery so will give people an idea on cost. Typically 1,000 litres of MGO is costing about €960 inc VAT. Smaller amounts such as 500 litres would retail between 98c-€1.03. For very small amounts some service stations actually sell MGO from a pump or into cans but you could expect to pay €1.10-1.20 per litre.

Hope this helps.

DGOBS

I would agree it shouldn't be used (devils fuel IMHO)
But can be used

Also in you calculations should also be the fact MGO has a slightly higher CV than kero

shane0007

DGOBS wrote: »

some lucky few even have the manufacturers instructions on the correct set up!

For the right price, there can easily be more lucky people! Lol

spireland32

Is gas oil not just another name for diesel. .?? Firebird do a diesel condensing with the pre heat on the burner

Dad11

I asked where could I buy Marked Gas Oil on the cheap. Look at the responses I got thanks a lot everyone

Billy Bunting

Dad11 wrote: »

I asked where could I buy Marked Gas Oil on the cheap. Look at the responses I got thanks a lot everyone

Yes quite amazing!!!! you post a question some 10 days ago and forget about it and allow it to fester without your input or direction, you ask about a topic that will bring about opinions, opinions that this forum are all about, they differ!!! but there has an asnwer to your question, you didnt like the experience!!! learn from it.

corkgsxr

Dad11 wrote: »

I asked where could I buy Marked Gas Oil on the cheap. Look at the responses I got thanks a lot everyone

Mm helpful isn't it.

JR Ewing wrote: »

Two points-

1. You wouldn't want to run a condensing boiler on MGO anyway as it is 4c per litre more expensive than Kerosene

2. The wholesale cost of MGO today is just over 90c per litre from the refinery so will give people an idea on cost. Typically 1,000 litres of MGO is costing about €960 inc VAT. Smaller amounts such as 500 litres would retail between 98c-€1.03. For very small amounts some service stations actually sell MGO from a pump or into cans but you could expect to pay €1.10-1.20 per litre.

Hope this helps.

Diesel condensate is much more acidic than kerosene too.

Both firebird and grant say kerosene only for there boilers. Spent a while eyeballing them

Linky
http://www.grantengineering.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Efficient-Heating-News-Print.pdf

shane0007

corkgsxr wrote: »

Mm helpful isn't it.



Diesel condensate is much more acidic than kerosene too.

Both firebird and grant say kerosene only for there boilers. Spent a while eyeballing them

Linky
http://www.grantengineering.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Efficient-Heating-News-Print.pdf

So are Grant & Firebirds sold in mainland Europe? (Yes) Is Kerosene readily available in mainland Europe? (No)
The newsletter is produced for the Irish market because of the fit and forget attitude in this country. If set up here on gas oil, they would be inundated with service calls. In Europe, they are fitted with pre-heaters as standard.
The next generation of burners will all be run on gas oil and they will all be on HE condensing boilers!
I am a Service Engineer for Grant and others and a few years ago they were spending circa €300,000 per year on warranty call outs due to poor installation. The outcome of this was the boiler passport, which has now changed again in recent weeks. It now has 2 sections, one to filled out by the installer and the other by the commissioning technician. They two could obviously be both.
Why the change? Because it is still not sinking home the importance of installing correctly and commissioned correctly. There is also more coming down the line.

DGOBS

Yeah, modulating blue flame burners will be the future me thinks too. (MGO only) but a big difference in the MGO quality in europe compared to here, ever tried setting up a stove on MGO, not pretty, yet plenty of them on the mainland!

If they allowed MGO in condensing boilers here, can just imagine the amount of numties installing them on LLD flues.

corkgsxr

DGOBS wrote: »

Yeah, modulating blue flame burners will be the future me thinks too. (MGO only) but a big difference in the MGO quality in europe compared to here, ever tried setting up a stove on MGO, not pretty, yet plenty of them on the mainland!

If they allowed MGO in condensing boilers here, can just imagine the amount of numties installing them on LLD flues.

Paint your house black, you won't notice it then

boiler break downs

corkgsxr wrote: »

Paint your house black, you won't notice it then

do ye come across many with a mix of kerosene a mgo .what a pain

corkgsxr

boiler break downs wrote: »

do ye come across many with a mix of kerosene a mgo .what a pain

Yep people upgrading and still have loads in the tank, keeps blacking the photocell, run fairly high air and it happens much less.

boiler break downs

corkgsxr wrote: »

Yep people upgrading and still have loads in the tank, keeps blacking the photocell, run fairly high air and it happens much less.

its done deliberately where i live and work.people say to stop it freezing or that its for lubrication .

spireland32

corkgsxr wrote: »

Mm helpful isn't it.



Diesel condensate is much more acidic than kerosene too.

Both firebird and grant say kerosene only for there boilers. Spent a while eyeballing them

Linky
http://www.grantengineering.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Efficient-Heating-News-Print.pdf

Firebird sell a diesel condensing boiler... have fitted 4-5 of them...

shane0007

corkgsxr wrote: »

Yep people upgrading and still have loads in the tank, keeps blacking the photocell, run fairly high air and it happens much less.

I suppose that is a typical unsafe answer that I would expect from you. Over airing will producing extremely high levels of CO and is extremely dangerous.

boiler break downs

shane0007 wrote: »

I suppose that is a typical unsafe answer that I would expect from you. Over airing will producing extremely high levels of CO and is extremely dangerous.

i have seen that on many occasions.people think no smoke all is good.they have no smoke pump or fga .or know how

shane0007

boiler break downs wrote: »

i have seen that on many occasions.people think no smoke all is good.they have no smoke pump or fga .or know how

It causes flame chilling. Try it on a HE Warmflow and you will see what I am talking about! Just do not stand near the flue and be ready to pull your Analyiser out quickly.

corkgsxr

boiler break downs wrote: »

its done deliberately where i live and work.people say to stop it freezing or that its for lubrication .

To stop waxing

shane0007 wrote: »

I suppose that is a typical unsafe answer that I would expect from you. Over airing will producing extremely high levels of CO and is extremely dangerous.

So what do you do when someone has half a tank of mixed left, ideal run it down before changing boiler but sometimes you don't have that choice. Run it at normal air and it will blacken the photocell bout ever 2 weeks. Run it with air a small bit high and it doesn't. Only untill they can get a fill of kerosene.


And your jumping to extremes. Even setting from a manual they say it's not exact, adjustments may need to be made to get right combustion. I'm not talking about lash in the air. Just a small bit.
Your talking about way too high and more or less blowing the flame away. Stop with the drama ffs

shane0007

corkgsxr wrote: »

To stop waxing



So what do you do when someone has half a tank of mixed left, ideal run it down before changing boiler but sometimes you don't have that choice. Run it at normal air and it will blacken the photocell bout ever 2 weeks. Run it with air a small bit high and it doesn't. Only untill they can get a fill of kerosene.

I would not install a condensing boiler if the tank was 1/2 full of gas oil.
If they insisted, but it has not happened yet, I would seek permission from the manufacturer and if agreed by them in writing, I would set it to run on gas oil with the correct settings but explain the issues when weather gets cold, without a pre-heater they will have call outs that will be charged for.
I would also explain that it will probably affect their IE warranty.
So what usually happens is, they use up the gas oil, I pump out the sludge, clean out the tank and they refill with kerosene. Then I install their HE boiler set to run on kero.
I would never never never over air a burner so I won't get call backs. It is just too dangerous and I value people's lives more than that.

boiler break downs

corkgsxr wrote: »

To stop waxing



So what do you do when someone has half a tank of mixed left, ideal run it down before changing boiler but sometimes you don't have that choice. Run it at normal air and it will blacken the photocell bout ever 2 weeks. Run it with air a small bit high and it doesn't. Only untill they can get a fill of kerosene.

its not kerosene any more nor is it diesel so were in no mans land because we don't know the mix.so what i do is put a small nozzle in and put the pressure up to 10 bar and tune in.that's if its a bog standard boiler.but it would be safe when leaving.i would not touch it if it was llf .i have never meet a condensating boiler on the wrong fuel.yet
when i say 10 bar that would be if i thought the mix was 50 50 or there about.may need more pressure .you would need fla

shane0007

corkgsxr wrote: »

To stop waxing



So what do you do when someone has half a tank of mixed left, ideal run it down before changing boiler but sometimes you don't have that choice. Run it at normal air and it will blacken the photocell bout ever 2 weeks. Run it with air a small bit high and it doesn't. Only untill they can get a fill of kerosene.


And your jumping to extremes. Even setting from a manual they say it's not exact, adjustments may need to be made to get right combustion. I'm not talking about lash in the air. Just a small bit.
Your talking about way too high and more or less blowing the flame away. Stop with the drama ffs

It is easy to edit and remove what you posted but you forgot you cannot edit what you said when I quoted you:

corkgsxr wrote: »

Yep people upgrading and still have loads in the tank, keeps blacking the photocell, run fairly high air and it happens much less.

You then added in your little paragraph but this is typical of your unprofessionalism. Swearing with abbreviations at me also highlights your intelligence level.

You categorically stated you "RUN FAIRLY HIGH AIR". So no drama when you are being educated and realising how little you know about combustion and people's safety. What you are also doing when increasing the air is lowering the efficiency and I am sure people do not want to be burning more fuel than is required also.
If you wish to work on burners, learn about them as the days of licking your finger and holding it to the wind are gone!

corkgsxr

shane0007 wrote: »

I would not install a condensing boiler if the tank was 1/2 full of gas oil.
If they insisted, but it has not happened yet, I would seek permission from the manufacturer and if agreed by them in writing, I would set it to run on gas oil with the correct settings but explain the issues when weather gets cold, without a pre-heater they will have call outs that will be charged for.
I would also explain that it will probably affect their IE warranty.
So what usually happens is, they use up the gas oil, I pump out the sludge, clean out the tank and they refill with kerosene. Then I install their HE boiler set to run on kero.
I would never never never over air a burner so I won't get call backs. It is just too dangerous and I value people's lives more than that.

Middle of winter leaking shell, burner motor fecked can't use the oil, many reasons someone couldn't use up the oil. How do you really know what the mix is? You can't you set it for gas oil on a mix there diff fuels, it requires a middle ground.

And as iv sed there's a big difference between setting air a tiny bit higher and flame chilling. Stop with the drama.

shane0007

No drama whatsoever. If you actually possessed and used a FGA, both kero and gas oil are light oils. Your Analyiser will show you what air to set the burner to. If you cannot reach a safe level, you adjust the pump pressure to suit the fuel and re-analyise. If that does not work, you shut down the boiler as the fuel is unsuitable to burn and explain to the customer why it is.
I would then get them to get or I would supply them with a temporary oil tank and fill with a few drums of kero to get them by until the unsafe fuel can be disposed of, tank cleaned and refilled with kero. I stock 2 temporary oil tanks for this and for emergency oil tank split call outs. I also have an fuel oil transfer pump with all the relevant oil spill environmental kits.

Oh and I stock new burners and every part required to get anybody up and running in probably 99% of occasions.

corkgsxr

shane0007 wrote: »

It is easy to edit and remove what you posted but you forgot you cannot edit what you said when I quoted you:


You then added in your little paragraph but this is typical of your unprofessionalism. Swearing with abbreviations at me also highlights your intelligence level.

You categorically stated you "RUN FAIRLY HIGH AIR". So no drama when you are being educated and realising how little you know about combustion and people's safety. What you are also doing when increasing the air is lowering the efficiency and I am sure people do not want to be burning more fuel than is required also.
If you wish to work on burners, learn about them as the days of licking your finger and holding it to the wind are gone!

Bad choice of words maybe my meanig was taken wrong.

Better slightly lower efficiency that a boiler that won't work.

And if your in the twisting words mood

You sed you set the burner for gas oil, that is also wrong setting for proper combustion and wasteful of fuel.

shane0007

corkgsxr wrote: »

Bad choice of words maybe my meanig was taken wrong.

Better slightly lower efficiency that a boiler that won't work.

And if your in the twisting words mood

You sed you set the burner for gas oil, that is also wrong setting for proper combustion and wasteful of fuel.

You really are a glutten for punishment! Please go and get some educated knowledge on the subject and then come back and debate with me as I am getting very bored with your posts. Also in the meantime, you should refrain from working on the general public's burners and potentially leaving them pumping out high levels of CO. A recent case in NI highlighted the importance of this when somebody with limited knowledge and no Analyiser indirectly caused the death of a couple from high CO levels. Thankfully the twat is serving time.

Your meaning was understood clearly, which showed incompetence.
Lower efficiency was a minor downside. More importantly was safety, high CO.
I know the correct settings for running a HE boiler on gas oil. I stated with the permission of the manufacturer in writing would I set this. Then I am installing as per manufacturer's written instructions.

shane0007

BTW, from your other posts in other threads, I see that you are installing gas boilers. I can infer from this that you are a RGI. How can you install gas boiler and not possess a FGA?
How are you commissioning them?
And how is your knowledge so limited on the principles of combustion?

corkgsxr

shane0007 wrote: »

You really are a glutten for punishment! Please go and get some educated knowledge on the subject and then come back and debate with me as I am getting very bored with your posts. Also in the meantime, you should refrain from working on the general public's burners and potentially leaving them pumping out high levels of CO. A recent case in NI highlighted the importance of this when somebody with limited knowledge and no Analyiser indirectly caused the death of a couple from high CO levels. Thankfully the twat is serving time.

Your meaning was understood clearly, which showed incompetence.
Lower efficiency was a minor downside. More importantly was safety, high CO.
I know the correct settings for running a HE boiler on gas oil. I stated with the permission of the manufacturer in writing would I set this. Then I am installing as per manufacturer's written instructions.

How can the manufacturer give you correct setting if they don't know what mix is there

DGOBS

Corkgsxr, please take a deep breath and take a small step back sometimes, you are rushing headlong into to arguments on practically every tread I come across you, and you haven't been here a few weeks yet.

We are all professionals within the industry, and try our best to help the public here in a time of need, an to have threads like this descending into farce helps out no one.

Apologies for the back seat mod, but needs to be said, we only got rid of one troll recently, wouldn't like to see you getting painted as another one.

As is always said here, attack the post, not the poster

Dad11

All I wanted to know was where could I buy Marked GAS Oil on the cheap. There were so many responses that were completely off topic!

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Yes quite amazing!!!! you post a question some 10 days ago and forget about it and allow it to fester without your input or direction, you ask about a topic that will bring about opinions, opinions that this forum are all about, they differ!!! but there has an asnwer to your question, you didnt like the experience!!! learn from it.

DGOBS

Be very careful about any 'cheap' fuel, if it is very noticeably cheaper, I would always be concerned about quality and source.

My advice to many MGO users is to change over the appliance to kero as it is much cleaner. Once tank as been run dry it's not much more than a good service and reset the burner to correct settings for the new fuel

jimf

Dad11 wrote: »

All I wanted to know was where could I buy Marked GAS Oil on the cheap. There were so many responses that were completely off topic!

do you mind me asking what would you consider as cheap

this is surely a case of buyer beware

remember the old saying a bargain could be the dearest thing you ever purchased

boiler break downs

jimf wrote: »

do you mind me asking what would you consider as cheap

this is surely a case of buyer beware

remember the old saying a bargain could be the dearest thing you ever purchased

why don't you try convert to kerosene and ask where to buy it cheap.haha.it went a bit off the topic.try your main dealers and buy in bulk.which
is expensive.there is no such thing as cheap fuel unfortunately