Midpoint awards

spiralism

Well, seeing as we're now the far side of Week 8, time to give out the awards for Midseason:

MVP: Peyton Manning
Offensive Player of the Year: Matt Ryan. This and the above are interchangeable but the value Manning has brought to the Broncos is amazing and he leads the league in QB rating so im picking him MVP and Ryan OPOY
Defensive Player of the Year: JJ Watt
Offensive Rookie of the Year: Still RG3 but I think Luck is gaining serious ground, and i've no doubt he'll be the better player
Defensive Rookie: Chandler Jones
Special Teams: Ryan Succuop, Kansas City's main offensive outlet this season. (real answer - probably akers) EDIT: Might revise this to Tynes, knew i was forgetting someone.
Coach: Mike Smith, taking the Falcons to 7-0 for the first time in their history
Most Impressive: Miami Dolphins. After THAT offseason they're 4-3 and in a wildcard place, i would have to say fair play to them. Honourable mention to the Colts
Most Disappointing: Kansas City. Many people's favourites for the AFC west and touted as having tons of talent, just a shaky situation at QB. Their offence is instead the worst seen in the NFL since Oakland's Bed and Breakfast offence in 2006 and the Defence cannot stop anyone. On top of that they're terribly coached.

Stev_o

I just knew you'd say Manning was MVP......

Until Ryan gets beaten id see the MVP go to him or JJ Watt. Then the Big 3 are in the hunt plus Big Ben.

matthew8

MVP: Peyton Manning
Offensive Player of the Year: Percy Harvin. He's the one responsible for the Vikings' impressive start.
Defensive Player of the Year: Charles Tillman. 2 pick sixes and 3 forced fumbles. Tim Jennings would be acceptable either.
Offensive Rookie of the Year: RG3.
Special Teams: Phil Dawson. 12 for 12 field goals including 4 from 4 from 50+ and 4 from 4 40-49. Harvin/seabass also acceptable.
Coach: Joe Philbin. People calling him crap before the season even began, 4-3 and 2 of those losses most unlucky.
Most Impressive: Chicago Bears. 6-1 and overcame massive adversity after GB loss. Absolutely dominant defense though offensive line non-existant.
Most Disappointing: Buffalo Bills. Mario Williams has been awful, and they're very lucky they've played Cleveland and KC as well as Arizona while they were in awful form because this Bills team has been crap. Blown out by the friggin Jets.

Paully D

So far I'd go:

MVP: Matt Ryan

Offensive Player of the Year: AJ Green

Defensive Player of the Year: Charles Tillman

Offensive Rookie of the Year: RG3

Defensive Rookie: Chandler Jones

Special Teams: Lawrence Tynes

Comeback Player of the Year: Peyton Manning

Coach: Mike Smith

Most Impressive: Atlanta Falcons

Most Disappointing: Carolina Panthers

Hazys

I'm suprised people are putting Manning as MVP, there is one clear MVP right now.

To me, he's just in the top5 at the moment, for me its:

1. Matt Ryan
2. JJ Watt
3. Tim Jennings
4. Tom Brady
5. Peyton Manning

If he keeps playing like he didnt last night he'll definetly be in with a shout but if they voted today, Matt Ryan should deserve to win in a landslide.

matthew8

Hazys wrote: »

I'm suprised people are putting Manning as MVP, there is one clear MVP right now.

To me, he's just in the top5 at the moment, for me its:

1. Matt Ryan
2. JJ Watt
3. Tim Jennings
4. Tom Brady
5. Peyton Manning

If he keeps playing like he didnt last night he'll definetly be in with a shout but if they voted today, Matt Ryan should deserve to win in a landslide.

I don't see why Tom Brady is ahead of Manning, or Rodgers for that matter.

spiralism

Hazys wrote: »

I'm suprised people are putting Manning as MVP, there is one clear MVP right now.

To me, he's just in the top5 at the moment, for me its:

1. Matt Ryan
2. JJ Watt
3. Tim Jennings
4. Tom Brady
5. Peyton Manning

If he keeps playing like he didnt last night he'll definetly be in with a shout but if they voted today, Matt Ryan should deserve to win in a landslide.

Manning's stats are better and he has the tools there to win out. Ravens are the only great team left on the board and they can't stop the pass. Falcons will drop games yet. He's outplaying Brady this year at any rate, has a higher yardage total, 1 more TD, higher completion % and a passer rating nine points higher...its rare you'd see a great CB over a great QB in MVP polling, great as Jennings has been. Tom Brady shouldn't be there over Rodgers, never mind Manning.

As well as that, he's been at the middle of everything. Kept us in games we were in danger of being blown out. Led a record tying comeback on the road. Has 300 yards, 3 TD and 70% completion for his last 4 games now. He's the only QB in league history to ever have done this. He's posted a QBR north of 115 in each match.

Watt you could definitely argue though but the nature of the award predominantly favours the QB

DDC1990

From a Bucs point of view:

Bucs MVP: Vincent Jackson
Offensive: Josh Freeman (or Doug Martin)
Defensive: Ronde Barber

O Rookie: Doug Martin
D Rookie: Lavonte David (then Mark Barron)

Most Impressed with: Mike Williams. After his Sophmore Slump, he's stepped it up to the level he was at during his Rookie Season. VJackson has really helped him.

Least Impressed with: All CB's. Getting beat for 300+ yards every game. Ronde and Barron, along with the LB's are doing there best, but when your CB's are being beaten on every 1 on 1 battle then it gets tough to win those tight games.

HigginsJ

MVP: JJ Watt
Offensive Player of the Year: Reggie Wayne
Defensive Player of the Year: JJ Watt
Offensive Rookie of the Year: Andrew Luck
Defensive Rookie: Morris Claiborne
Special Teams: Lawrence Tynes: Leads NFL in field goal's because of Giants poor red-zone offense.
Coach: Joe Philbin
Most Impressive: Colts: Cecil Short's 80yd final second TD means the colts are 4-3 instead of 5-2. Impressive offense led by Luck.
Most Disappointing: Tennessee Titans: Was expecting big things from Titans, Locker n CJ this year. Loss yesterday was disappointing. [/QUOTE]

Hazys

The only reason i have Brady over Manning is because Brady beat Manning and he has a better record.

Anyway i'd have them both pretty close at the moment. But regardless of Brady over Manning, i think 3 players are would be ahead of Manning and Ryan the clear front runner. The Broncos have only beaten average teams and lost to good teams so stats become somewhat irrelevant if your stats are average against good teams.

HigginsJ

Hazys wrote: »

The only reason i have Brady over Manning is because Brady beat Manning and he has a better record.

Anyway i'd have them both pretty close at the moment. But regardless of Brady over Manning, i think 3 players are would be ahead of Manning and Ryan the clear front runner. The Broncos have only beaten average teams and lost to good teams so stats become somewhat irrelevant if your stats are average against good teams.

Not getting into a Manning/Brady debate but as they showed on the game last night through the 1st 6 weeks of the season the Broncos have had the hardest schedule of any team in the NFL.

Hazys

HigginsJ wrote: »

Not getting into a Manning/Brady debate but as they showed on the game last night through the 1st 6 weeks of the season the Broncos have had the hardest schedule of any team in the NFL.

I hate the strength of schedule as its based on last year's teams not this years.

Anyway, i dont want to appear like i'm sh1ting on Manning but to me the clear MVP at this stage is Matt Ryan...there is 8/9 weeks left in the season and if Manning keeps playing like he does he will defly be in with a strong shout.

Also, i think the defensive play by Jennings and Watt has been incredible and its unfortunate in a QB dominated award they probably will be over looked. I don't think i've ever seen two players on the defensive side of the ball have such major impact in games consistenly for 8 weeks, its nothing short of amazing.

Justin10

I really miss tebow at Denver wasn't half as bad as Manning the great.

3-4 weeks ago Denver where awful according to the Denver thread now there going to win out and mvp for Manning and super bowl rings all round.

spiralism

Hazys wrote: »

The only reason i have Brady over Manning is because Brady beat Manning and he has a better record.

Anyway i'd have them both pretty close at the moment. But regardless of Brady over Manning, i think 3 players are would be ahead of Manning and Ryan the clear front runner. The Broncos have only beaten average teams and lost to good teams so stats become somewhat irrelevant if your stats are average against good teams.

We've had a bye and yee havent. That's the difference. Not a fair comparison. Brady won the matchup but it wasn't on Manning, who outplayed him that day. McGahee and Thomas committing key fumbles killed us.

Also, we've had the league's hardest schedule the first 6 games. Two of our three defeats were away games to elite teams on grounds they very rarely lose. Give us home rematches right now against any and i like our chances. We wont see Atlanta again as i'd back them to do their annual disappearing act in the first round of the playoffs but the other two...

DDC1990

I don't think Manning outplayed Brady in that game to be fair.

A QB has to control all aspects of the game, not just throwing, especially in the quick no huddle offense that the Patriots run.

Tom Brady did it to perfection and his team came out with the win. I thought it was close, but that overall Tom Brady outplayed Manning on the night.

Not saying either is better then the other, just on that night Brady won out IMO.

matthew8

Hazys wrote: »

I hate the strength of schedule as its based on last year's teams not this years.

It's not. The Broncos have played a 7-0 team, a 6-1 team, a 5-3 team, 2 3-4 teams, a 2-5 team and a 4-3 team.

BizzyC

I wouldn't give Manning the MVP. He's having a good season so far, but not an MVP season.
If I was going to give it to a QB it'd be Brady right now.
While he hasn't been at his best, he's still carrying New England in spite of a defence that's hemorrhaging points, and is putting up very solid stats while doing so.

Right now I think JJ Watt is having the most impressive season out of anyone in the league, he's been a beast.

Red Crow

Giants Offensive player of the Year: Stevie Brown

HigginsJ

Eli Manning wrote: »

Giants Offensive player of the Year: Stevie Brown

Or possibly Tony Romo

mikemac1

MVP: Peyton Manning
Offensive Player of the Year: Matt Ryan.
Defensive Player of the Year: JJ Watt, immense
Offensive Rookie of the Year: RGIII, honourable mention to Russell Wilson
Defensive Rookie: Casey Hayward, cornerback for the Packers
Special Teams: Greg Zuerlein, young kicker for the Rams, has created a bit of hype for himself which isn't easy for a kicker!
Coach: Mike Smith
Most Impressive: Falcons, I was going to say Bears but they were not so good yesterday. Scraped a win but didn't look good at all
Most Disappointing: Another vote for Chiefs. Last year ravaged by injuries and now their best players are back. Young, fast team with good coaches and a great fanbase and they suck!


Ravens
MVP: Ray Rice
Offensive: Marshal Yanda, right guard
Defensive: Ladarius Webb, now on IR

O Rookie: Bernard Pierce, 3rd round RB. Doesn't get many snaps but he looks great when he's in
D Rookie: Courtney Upshaw. Solid, no splashy stats but that's the job he's asked to do

Most Impressed with: Special teams play, realy stepped up this year.
Our rookie kicker Tucker is impressive, the punter is good and Jacoby Jones was ran out of Houston but he's a good return man in Baltimore

Least Impressed with: Our run defense! Ravens once went 39 games in a row without allowing a 100 yard rusher and now they are almost as bad as the Bills!

Rodgers passer rating stats are just behind Manning, despite getting sacked almost 3 times as much, and better than Ryan, despite getting sacked almost twice as much. So given the protection that he seems to be lacking, he's gotta be up there for OPY

davyjose

MVP: Peyton Manning
Offensive Player of the Year: Matt Ryan.
Defensive Player of the Year: JJ Watt
Offensive Rookie of the Year: Andrew Luck & RG3 - biased maybe, but cannot split these two. I would not swap Luck for RG3 and I reckon Washington fans feel the same. What Luck has done in the clutch has been staggering.
Defensive Rookie: Chnandler Jones
Special Teams: Greg Zuerlein.
Coach: Mike Smith
Most Impressive: Falcons. Best team in the league so far. Say no more.
Most Disappointing: Chiefs, chiefs chiefs.


Colts
MVP: Andrew Luck
Offensive: Reggie
Defensive: Jerrell Freeman

Rookie: Luck - special mention to Vick Ballard

Most Impressed with: Improvement of run games

Least Impressed with: Pass D. Vontae Davis hugely disappointing so far.



Thanks to Mikemac for template

davyjose

Deleted User wrote: »

Rodgers passer rating stats are just behind Manning, despite getting sacked almost 3 times as much, and better than Ryan, despite getting sacked almost twice as much. So given the protection that he seems to be lacking, he's gotta be up there for OPY

Peyton doesn't avoid sacks because of his line. His release is crazy fast.

mikemac1

davyjose wrote: »

Colts

D Rookie: Courtney Upshaw. Solid, no splashy stats but that's the job he's asked to do

:eek:

You steal Pagano from us

Now you stole our first pick this year :mad:

davyjose

mikemac1 wrote: »

:eek:

You steal Pagano from us

Now you stole our first pick this year :mad:

Ha ha glad I mentioned my obvious theft before missing that

We don't have a D rookie but we'll take anything we can get.

taidghbaby

MVP: Matt Ryan (Peyton a very close 2nd)
Offensive Player of the Year: Julio Jones
Defensive Player of the Year: JJ Watt
Offensive Rookie of the Year: RG3 - He's been awesome this far!
Defensive Rookie: Chnandler Jones
Special Teams: Pat Angerer (complete and utter Colts bias there)
Coach: Joe Philbin - he's just done such a gosh darn-it great job!
Most Impressive: Falcons. Best team in the league so far. Say no more.
Most Disappointing: Panthers, what's that about a Super Bowl?


Colts
MVP: Andrew Luck
Offensive: Reggie
Defensive: Jerrell Freeman

Rookie: Luck! Ballard and Allen have also been good!

Most Impressed with: finding a way to win tight games (bar that 80 yard play against the jags!!! Still has me seething!!)

Least Impressed with: Complete and utter lack of pressure on opposing QBs and only 3 defensive turnovers so far!

Chucky the tree

Mannin MVP? He's certainly playing well but I've no idea how people can give the MVP to a guy who's team is 4-3 over a guy who's team is still unbeaten.

HigginsJ

taidghbaby wrote: »

Offensive Player of the Year: Julio Jones

Not being picky or anything but you could make an argument that Julio Jones hasn't even been the best WR on his own team

taidghbaby

HigginsJ wrote: »

Not being picky or anything but you could make an argument that Julio Jones hasn't even been the best WR on his own team

From what I've seen he's been better than White and to be honest I just wanted to pick a player other than a QB!

matthew8

But Julio Jones is 18th in receiving yardage.

Leslie91

MVP: Matt Ryan
Offensive Player of the Year: Reggie Wayne & Peyton a tie
Defensive Player of the Year: JJ Watt
Offensive Rookie of the Year: Luck
Defensive Rookie: Chandler Jones
Special Teams: Zuerlein
Coach: Joe Philbin
Most Impressive: Falcons, special mention for the Colts
Most Disappointing: Chargers, Chiefs

spiralism

spiralism wrote: »

Well, seeing as we're now the far side of Week 8, time to give out the awards for Midseason:

MVP: Peyton Manning
Offensive Player of the Year: Matt Ryan. This and the above are interchangeable but the value Manning has brought to the Broncos is amazing and he leads the league in QB rating so im picking him MVP and Ryan OPOY
Defensive Player of the Year: JJ Watt
Offensive Rookie of the Year: Still RG3 but I think Luck is gaining serious ground, and i've no doubt he'll be the better player
Defensive Rookie: Chandler Jones
Special Teams: Ryan Succuop, Kansas City's main offensive outlet this season. (real answer - probably akers) EDIT: Might revise this to Tynes, knew i was forgetting someone.
Coach: Mike Smith, taking the Falcons to 7-0 for the first time in their history
Most Impressive: Miami Dolphins. After THAT offseason they're 4-3 and in a wildcard place, i would have to say fair play to them. Honourable mention to the Colts
Most Disappointing: Kansas City. Many people's favourites for the AFC west and touted as having tons of talent, just a shaky situation at QB. Their offence is instead the worst seen in the NFL since Oakland's Bed and Breakfast offence in 2006 and the Defence cannot stop anyone. On top of that they're terribly coached.

not having a go at you just genuinley curious but im pretty sure it was you saying peyton manning was done and broncos made a mistake getting him 2 weeks ago and now hes mvp how can i guy fo from one to the other over 2 weeks

MVP: jj watt (that many sacks from a 3-4 is insane)
Offensive Player of the Year: Matt Ryan.
Defensive Player of the Year: charles tillman
Offensive Rookie of the Year: Andrew Luck (rg3s been put in an eaiser situation still playing unreal but lucks gor a far worse team
Defensive Rookie: Chandler Jones
Special Teams: Greg Zuerlein (legatron)
Coach: Mike Smith
Most Impressive: dolphins thought they were going to get the 1st draft pick
Most Disappointing: Chiefs or bills but probably chiefs


Eagles
MVP: shady mccoy
Offensive: mccoy(theres been nobody else)
Defensive: michael kendrics(outstanding coverage lb_

Rookie: kendrics

Most Impressed with: shadys ability to run with basically no blockers
Least Impressed with: softness first time in a long time iv seen our d so soft they dont seem to care bring back dawk and trotter teams need to fear our d again

PokeHerKing

Harley Ripe Leakage wrote: »

not having a go at you just genuinley curious but im pretty sure it was you saying peyton manning was done and broncos made a mistake getting him 2 weeks ago and now hes mvp how can i guy fo from one to the other over 2 weeks

Because he's Peyton Freaking Manning!!

davyjose

Harley Ripe Leakage wrote: »

not having a go at you just genuinley curious but im pretty sure it was you saying peyton manning was done and broncos made a mistake getting him 2 weeks ago and now hes mvp how can i guy fo from one to the other over 2 weeks

Harley Ripe Leakage, meet Spiralism

Johnny_Fontane

to show how fast things can change....who would put RGIII as their top rookie now over Andrew Luck?

5-3 for a rookie, with that team, showing that quality. You'd nearly have to put him in the shakeup with Peyton and the big boys

DDC1990

Meh, whatever about the QB's, its all about Doug Martin now

A few more 70 yard runs, in the next few games, leading the Bucs to the playoffs should do it.


:P

spiralism

Harley Ripe Leakage wrote: »

not having a go at you just genuinley curious but im pretty sure it was you saying peyton manning was done and broncos made a mistake getting him 2 weeks ago and now hes mvp how can i guy fo from one to the other over 2 weeks

about two months ago in all fairness but glad to eat crow on that.

Johnny_Fontane

If you're going to put Peyton in at MVP, you'd have to put Luck in there too....
exact same records and yards thrown....

sure peyton has thrown more TD's, but Luck has rushed for scores etc etc....

Can a rookie be MVP?

Stev_o

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

If you're going to put Peyton in at MVP, you'd have to put Luck in there too....
exact same records and yards thrown....

sure peyton has thrown more TD's, but Luck has rushed for scores etc etc....

Can a rookie be MVP?

Sure but he's not MVP. It's still Ryan -> Watt -> loads of QB's.

matthew8

Sure Watt makes a ton of plays but he doesn't make the same impact a ton of QBs make. Could hardly give it to a defender. As for Luck, he's 25th in quarterback rating, 19th in YPA (just behind Flacco and Bradford), 17th in TDs though if you add rushing he's 10th, 29th in completion percentage, he has plenty of yards but so has Palmer, infact Luck and Palmer are having very similar seasons.

Palmer: 201 comp-330 att-60.9%-2,335 yards-7.14 YPA-13 TD (+1 rushing)-8 INT
Luck: 190 comp-336 att-56.5%-2,404 yards-7.16 YPA-10 TD (+3 rushing)-8 INT

No way Luck should be anywhere near MVP.

matthew8

matthew8 wrote: »

Sure Watt makes a ton of plays but he doesn't make the same impact a ton of QBs make. Could hardly give it to a defender. As for Luck, he's 25th in quarterback rating, 19th in YPA (just behind Flacco and Bradford), 17th in TDs though if you add rushing he's 10th, 29th in completion percentage, he has plenty of yards but so has Palmer, infact Luck and Palmer are having very similar seasons.

Palmer: 201 comp-330 att-60.9%-2,335 yards-7.14 YPA-13 TD (+1 rushing)-8 INT
Luck: 190 comp-336 att-56.5%-2,404 yards-7.16 YPA-10 TD (+3 rushing)-8 INT

No way Luck should be anywhere near MVP.

but no player makes the impact that qbs make sanchez makes as big an impact as watt but whos better as far as im concerned its best player in there postion (barring special teams cause screw those guys:D) and i think jj watts been the best player in the league by a long shot

matthew8

Harley Ripe Leakage wrote: »

but no player makes the impact that qbs make sanchez makes as big an impact as watt but whos better as far as im concerned its best player in there postion (barring special teams cause screw those guys:D) and i think jj watts been the best player in the league by a long shot

It's called most valuable player. If it was best at his position won it an OL would've won it at some point.

matthew8

matthew8 wrote: »

It's called most valuable player. If it was best at his position won it an OL would've won it at some point.

so basically its baring once every 20 years its going to be a quarterback thats stupid i think the phrase mvp is not meant literally

Morrisseeee

Going by stats, as they've all played 8 games thus far:

Manning: TD: 20, Int: 6, Yds: 2404, Rate: 108.6
Ryan: TD: 17, Int: 6, Yds: 2360, Rate: 103.0
Brady: TD: 16, Int: 3, Yds: 2408, Rate: 100.6

So I guess most people who have Manning at MVP, it looks like it's well justified.

Morrisseeee

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Going by stats, as they've all played 8 games thus far:

Manning: TD: 20, Int: 6, Yds: 2404, Rate: 108.6
Ryan: TD: 17, Int: 6, Yds: 2360, Rate: 103.0
Brady: TD: 16, Int: 3, Yds: 2408, Rate: 100.6

So I guess most people who have Manning at MVP, it looks like it's well justified.

You omitted Rodgers, rate 107.4 and above Ryan.

Brady is 6th in the passer rating charts, so a few others are nearer to Manning too.

I am biased about Rodgers. And frankly happy to see a player like Manning considered as MVP. Just wouldn't agree that he's that far ahead.

Hazys

Deleted User wrote: »

I am biased about Rodgers. And frankly happy to see a player like Manning considered as MVP. Just wouldn't agree that he's that far ahead.

I agree, Manning is having a great season statistically but he hasn't done too much more in that regard than Brady, Ryan and Rodgers to differentiate himself as clear MVP...while Ryan with similar stats is undefeated and is getting over looked.

I think people pick Manning as MVP because of his name more than anything else.

Stev_o

Sigh



It's so true it's sad.

davyjose

matthew8 wrote: »

Sure Watt makes a ton of plays but he doesn't make the same impact a ton of QBs make. Could hardly give it to a defender. As for Luck, he's 25th in quarterback rating, 19th in YPA (just behind Flacco and Bradford), 17th in TDs though if you add rushing he's 10th, 29th in completion percentage, he has plenty of yards but so has Palmer, infact Luck and Palmer are having very similar seasons.

Palmer: 201 comp-330 att-60.9%-2,335 yards-7.14 YPA-13 TD (+1 rushing)-8 INT
Luck: 190 comp-336 att-56.5%-2,404 yards-7.16 YPA-10 TD (+3 rushing)-8 INT

No way Luck should be anywhere near MVP.

You missed the most important stat of all -- wins. MVP sometimes comes down to stats, but not always. Luck is having an MVP type season by clawing back wins, 4th quarter comebacks, and 3rd and long conversions.

Comparing a rookie at 5-3 to Carson Palmer kinda shows that you don't really know what you're talking about tbh.

davyjose

Hazys wrote: »

I agree, Manning is having a great season statistically but he hasn't done too much more in that regard than Brady, Ryan and Rodgers to differentiate himself as clear MVP...while Ryan with similar stats is undefeated and is getting over looked.

I think people pick Manning as MVP because of his name more than anything else.

I think people know Manning is a good bet to continue this streak though. It's possible Peyton will take Danver 13-3. Similar to his 2008 season for Indy. He's not MVP right now, but in 8 weeks time, he probably will be.

That's my take on it.

Justin10

davyjose wrote: »

Comparing a rookie at 5-3 to Carson Palmer kinda shows that you don't really know what you're talking about tbh.

Luck and MVP shows me you dont know what you are talking about.
There is an award he might get, its called Rookie of the year.