Sounds when there shouldnt have been any

maccored

What do yous reckon on this? This is video I took the other night in Carlow shopping centre. We heard a loud metal clashing sound (which you cant hear on tape - though heres a recording from our audio recorders, for those of you who find it hard to read more than two lines - http://leinsterparanormal.com/soundfrommainarea.mp3), went out to see what it was, and then the music in Superquinn came on. I had spent about 90 mins in there on my own and I have video and audio that proves there was no music or anything coming out of the place earlier.

We thought cleaners or an automated music system, but the supermarket management have assured me the system is manual and cant switch itself on and off etc on it's own. They are also certain there was no-one there, specifically as the security system was active and they would have known before now. They've also never had any technical issues with it to suggest it might be faulty.

So that leaves the question ... whats that we're hearing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNFon5kHkQ

zenno

maccored wrote: »

What do yous reckon on this? This is video I took the other night in Carlow shopping centre. We heard a loud metal clashing sound (which you cant hear on tape), went out to see what it was, and then the music in Superquinn came on. I spend about 90 mins in there on my own and I have video and audio that proves there was no music or anything coming out of the place earlier.

We thought cleaners or an automated music system, but the supermarket management have assured me the system is manual and cant switch itself on and off etc on it's own. They are also certain there was no-one there, specifically as the security system was active and they would have known before now. They've also never had any technical issues with it to suggest it might be faulty.

So that leaves the question ... whats that we're hearing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNFon5kHkQ

(which you cant hear on tape)

Well that's no good if you didn't get it on tape ?

What in the name of flying saucers are you guys at...hey look go easy on the weed lads. If you haven't got it on tape then i have to take your word for it.. wtf.

maccored

zenno wrote: »

Well that's no good if you didn't get it on tape ?

What in the name of flying saucers are you guys at...hey look go easy on the weed lads. If you haven't got it on tape then i have to take your word for it.. wtf.

pardon my ignorance, but its not the metalic sound that we are discussing. Its the sounds from superquinn supermarket. Really, it would help if you read the post and didnt stop at the start. Heres a plan .. watch the video, then tell me where the music is coming from. And dont say "superquinn" without reading my initial post.

maccored

Like, christ on a bike.

maccored

Heres that particular sound if you *really* want to hear it - when I said we didnt get it on tape, i obviously meant the camera audio.

http://leinsterparanormal.com/soundfrommainarea.mp3

zenno

maccored wrote: »

Heres that particular sound if you *really* want to hear it - when I said we didnt get it on tape, i obviously meant the camera audio.

http://leinsterparanormal.com/soundfrommainarea.mp3

Sorry about that, i'll have a listen a few times now.

If it is an unusual experience then get some proper proof. That is not enough. can you prove to me that you folks are genuine ? if not bye bye

maccored

the issue is theres music (and talk) coming out of superquinn supermarket. theres no-one in there to do that and the system is manual. Ive already had a good chat to superquinn management and they assure me there was no one there and the alarm system was active. That noise is what made us go out into the centre. the music came on when we went up round superquinn. It stops and starts and changes volume.

zenno

maccored wrote: »

the issue is theres music (and talk) coming out of superquinn supermarket. theres no-one in there to do that and the system is manual. Ive already had a good chat to superquinn management and they assure me there was no one there and the alarm system was active. That noise is what made us go out into the centre. the music came on when we went up round superquinn. It stops and starts and changes volume.

Did the superquinn management person/persons come out to you and open the shop doors and check the whole shop ? if not then there was someone in there. You really need to prove that there was no-one in there before anyone takes this seriously.

maccored

I genuinely, hand on heart, dont give a flying fúck who takes me seriously ... I'm just trying to figure out how their tannoy system was switching itself on and off.

To answer your question - they do have a security system. i highly, highly suspect they would know if any of their own staff were working, or if anyone was in their supermarket at the time.

You seem to be missing the point slightly - I'm looking for thought out responses and ones that logically make sense.

zenno

maccored wrote: »

I genuinely, hand on heart, dont give a flying fúck who takes me seriously ... I'm just trying to figure out how their tannoy system was switching itself on and off.

To answer your question - they do have a security system. i highly, highly suspect they would know if any of their own staff were working, or if anyone was in their supermarket at the time.

You seem to be missing the point slightly - I'm looking for thought out responses and ones that logically make sense.

So am I. Well i'll take your word for it even though i come across as a sceptic, i seen a few very odd-ball things myself from the last 30 years that i still cannot explain. That wouldn't be a new thing anyway as a lot of haunted places produce things like yours as in televisions turning on all on their own and things moving around. Interesting though.

maccored

you dont have to take my word - you can hear it on the audio. As to if you believe I talked to superquinn or not - I know I did, so unless you make your own enquiries you can believe me or not. To me, thats really not the issue. i just dont understand why theres music, talking and changes in volume when there's no-one there to operate it.

The only thing I can think of is a faulty tannoy system. I dont know though if 'faulty' covers turning volumes up and down all the same. Plus, I asked about that scenario and was told they have never had issues with it, so I genuinely dont know.

maccored

There were also lights going on and off in another shop, but that happened when I was there on my own and I hadn't the camera with me. switched on and off randomly over a three or four minute period and then didnt do it again. (EDIT: when I say "I hadnt the camera with me" ... it was across the way in the bookshop, and I wasnt going anywhere in case it had stopped by the time i got back .. which it would have)

maccored

being skeptical is good by the way. its being cynical you have to be careful of.

A fella called fish

Have you checked their cctv?

They say they've never noticed any faults with the tannoy system, yet nobody's there from say 7pm until 8am or whatever.. Perhaps there's a different electrical current at night due to different demands in the area and the fluctuation causes some issue with already faulty wiring? Either that or somebody was there..

Ziycon

I had an issue with a stereo in my parents house a couple of years ago and also two other stereos where they would randomly turn on and turn the volume up 100% even though they are deal volume controls and on had no remote.

Never got to the bottom of it, I had someone look into it and the suggested that another devices 'remote' signal passing through the house might affect these device and turn them on. Unfortunately he was unable to suggest what could do it and why it was so rare and random.

Its Behind You!

My first thought was radio alarm setting going on. But it seems to on and off and on again? (I'll re watch vid).

Was it def the tannoy system coming on?

Could it have been radio/digital interference (many times when taxis go past my house I pick up their dialling tones on my stereo and sometimes snippets of verbal conversation).

Could you go back at the same time for another night?

Superquinn, they don't sell electrical stuff do they?

The loud metallic bang. Seems a bit cavernous in that shopping centre. Sounds very distant, like it could be coming from outside shopping centre?

Is there any particular significance/previous occurrence assiciated to the location of superquinn within the centre?

maccored

Its Behind You! wrote: »

My first thought was radio alarm setting going on. But it seems to on and off and on again? (I'll re watch vid).

Was it def the tannoy system coming on?

Could it have been radio/digital interference (many times when taxis go past my house I pick up their dialling tones on my stereo and sometimes snippets of verbal conversation).

Could you go back at the same time for another night?

Superquinn, they don't sell electrical stuff do they?

The loud metallic bang. Seems a bit cavernous in that shopping centre. Sounds very distant, like it could be coming from outside shopping centre?

Is there any particular significance/previous occurrence assiciated to the location of superquinn within the centre?

We were listening to the sound coming from inside, so i cant see it being radio interference etc. I cant say it was the tannoy system, but since we could hear it so well, Im assuming it was. Wherever the sound originated from, it was inside the supermarket.

Im not too concerned about the metallic sound - though i will say the chances of it coming from outside are pretty slim, unless someone was slapping metal right outside the main centre doors. there were two independent sets of insultated firedoors between the front door and the inside. It did sound like coming from the inside of the centre.

I dont know if superquinn in carlow sell electrical stuff. even if they did - what was that turning off and on again? Same dilemma.

maccored

A fella called fish wrote: »

Have you checked their cctv?

They say they've never noticed any faults with the tannoy system, yet nobody's there from say 7pm until 8am or whatever.. Perhaps there's a different electrical current at night due to different demands in the area and the fluctuation causes some issue with already faulty wiring? Either that or somebody was there..

as i mentioned before, Im looking for logical explanations. Assuming they wouldnt know if they tannoy system works (there are nights people work late, there are cleaners etc ... the place doesnt just shut down like a family shop every night) isnt really giving me any insights into what might be going on.

Assuming its either faulty wiring (?) or insisting someone was there again isnt answering anything either. Im assuming you have as little an idea of whats going on than I do. They have a fully functional security system and cctv. there was no-one there.

Its Behind You!

Bizarre...

1) Can anyone identify the song at time 2:40ish? I can nearly make it out/recognise it, black female, modern/recent chart song. I think.

2) Did you notice the lights on or off in the store when you went in? Or any other footage available showing the lights off or on?

3) Focussing on the music, I'd naturally assume that this is coming from a public pa sytem, in a bar or disco. Are there such places near the shopping centre?

Or possibly a car outside with speakers on full blast passing by air ventilation system?

For sure its very intruiging. I wonder what the store manager will make of it.

maccored

there is the shopping centre and the supermarket ... the supermarket is within the shopping centre, but we had no access to it. that whole side of the shopping centre is superquinn (used to be the male prisoner section), with walls that must be 6 feet thick. The sounds most certainly arent coming from anywhere but inside superquinn for certain.

Theres a few lights on by the door in superquinn, but the others were off. As for the lights int he other shop that went off and on ... there were no lights on at all, then some of the interior lighting was switching on and off and then they stopped, leaving that particular shop in darkness (which was what it was like initially.)

The store manager doesnt know what to make of it - he tells me there wasnt anyone there and the music/tannoy system would either have been on all night (I have video from earlier in the night which says it wasnt) or not on at all. The next obvious step is to see if its possible to observe this from inside the supermarket, but that is easier said than done.

Its not a car with a loud stereo ... you just wouldnt hear that in there. There are no nightclubs on barrack st, nearest would be tullow street which is way over that way from the place. Beside - realisitcally you wouldnt hear music from pubs or nightclubs in there.

I find this intriguing and I'd love to see if I could spend some time inside the store and see what happens.

Its Behind You!

:eek: Holy sh1t!....weird goings on for sure...

Independence

It’s an interesting video. It’s hard to hear the music/voices with all the talking though. Try to keep quiet the next time you’re recording. It would be very interesting to discern what was being said and/or sung.

maccored

i dont know how trying to understand what they're saying will necessarily tell us how its happening all the same. We couldnt make out anything standing at the door, so theres no way you'll be able to discern what those voices in particular are saying from the camera audio. It sounded like people on the shop floor somewhere having a party in the dark. I need to check if their tannoy can play the radio as it could have been from a radio play or something, though you wouldnt expect to hear lots of music and then a short burst of a radio play on a typical radio station. still leaves the question that if the voices were from the radio, who was turning it on etc so I dont knows.

I can understand your frustration iwth us talking all the same - but if you were there instead of me, I guarantee you'd be trying to figure out what the story is verbally.

Independence

maccored wrote: »

i dont know how trying to understand what they're saying will necessarily tell us how its happening all the same. We couldnt make out anything standing at the door, so theres no way you'll be able to discern what those voices in particular are saying from the camera audio. It sounded like people on the shop floor somewhere having a party in the dark. I need to check if their tannoy can play the radio as it could have been from a radio play or something, though you wouldnt expect to hear lots of music and then a short burst of a radio play on a typical radio station. still leaves the question that if the voices were from the radio, who was turning it on etc so I dont knows.

I can understand your frustration iwth us talking all the same - but if you were there instead of me, I guarantee you'd be trying to figure out what the story is verbally.

There were points where I could almost hear what was being said and I think I could have been able to make out what song was being played. Being able to discern what was being said and/or sung wouldn’t, as you say, tell us much about the origin or nature of the sounds themselves but it would be very interesting.

If I were there I would probably have been talking too though… I would have been freaked out!!!

maccored

Independence wrote: »

If I were there I would probably have been talking too though… I would have been freaked out!!!

At the time we assumed it had to be cleaners or an automated system. It wasnt until the next day when i talked to their management that we realised it couldnt have been either. It was just annoying that we couldnt get into the one place where weird **** seemed to be happening.

sambuka41

Its Behind You! wrote: »

Bizarre...

1) Can anyone identify the song at time 2:40ish? I can nearly make it out/recognise it, black female, modern/recent chart song. I think.

Im nearly sure It's Edel-One and Only

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4r-c4I_9Rc


It actually sounds like Edel's version, which is unusual as most shops don't play the original (think they have to pay more for that) they have their own cheaper recorded versions.

pm1977x

did the management of Superquinn seem shocked or sceptical or just puzzled?

maccored

sceptical. I sent them the audio and as yet havent heard back. They did tell me they would be in touch by next week.

sambuka41

Also from working in shops (for my sins) they play the same songs on a loop, if it is Edel, you could ask Superquinn if it is on their system. Some of the franchised shops pipe in a stream of music (Centra) that is played in all the shops (so I was told by the manager after I asked for a change in tunes!! So I wouldn't be 100% on that, he may have lied to shut me up ) , some just have a CD.

If its a CD you could ask them if it's on it, and where on the CD is it, is it first, last? Is the CD scratched so that it might skip to that song if on middle of CD?

maccored

i know they have an internal system, and i know that it cant turn on and off by itself ... outside of that Im not too sure. I'm trying to see if I can get in there and see the whole setup for myself.

eadire

just a quick question regarding this which shop was the lights flicking on and off in? just curious for my own reasons.

Red Hand

You wouldn't think that someone working there heard that ye would be there with cameras and decided to throw on the music and make noise just to freak ye out?

A fella called fish

maccored wrote: »

as i mentioned before, Im looking for logical explanations. Assuming they wouldnt know if they tannoy system works (there are nights people work late, there are cleaners etc ... the place doesnt just shut down like a family shop every night) isnt really giving me any insights into what might be going on.

Assuming its either faulty wiring (?) or insisting someone was there again isnt answering anything either. Im assuming you have as little an idea of whats going on than I do. They have a fully functional security system and cctv. there was no-one there.

Relax...of course I have no idea. Just trying to throw a few ideas out there because there must be a logical explanation. It's hardly 'paranormal'

maccored

A fella called fish wrote: »

Relax...of course I have no idea. Just trying to throw a few ideas out there because there must be a logical explanation. It's hardly 'paranormal'

Yeah. Well when you find out the answer be sure to let me know.

maccored

Red Hand wrote: »

You wouldn't think that someone working there heard that ye would be there with cameras and decided to throw on the music and make noise just to freak ye out?

I would agree, except we know there wasn't anyone in superquinn ...

Its Behind You!

@Maccored, have you ruled out security light sensors, ie, lights come on in the shop if movement detected close to premises after closing hours?

maccored

Its Behind You! wrote: »

@Maccored, have you ruled out security light sensors, ie, lights come on in the shop if movement detected close to premises after closing hours?

i checked that shop numerous times after from the same spot. To be honest though, Im not too interested in that in comparison to where the music etc was coming from. Lots of shops in there have been reporting strange **** .. the book shop has moving books, the shop next door has had items found on the floor when there was no obvious way to get there. thats what Ive been told anyway by one of the shop owners.

Ziycon

Have you compared old maps with the area to see what might have been on the land or near by in the past that people might have forgotten about over time?

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/maps_2.htm
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Carlow_images_01.htm

Rasmus

@maccored, have you ruled out the music being on all along, and the song that came on at that time had a higher decibel than the others?

maccored

@Ziycon - it used to be a gaol.

@Rasmus - yes, as I was walking around that whole area for an hour on my own with a video camera running, while I was waiting for the two boys to come back from getting something to eat. There was no music on for certain. Plus, you'll hear in the clip how it changes volume and switches off (or else the volume gets turned right down).

Rasmus

In that case, if it was me, I'd think that there was someone in there and either Superquinn management wasn't aware of it or they were not being upfront with you.

sambuka41

Rasmus wrote: »

In that case, if it was me, I'd think that there was someone in there and either Superquinn management wasn't aware of it or they were not being upfront with you.

What would Superquinn have to benefit from saying there was no one there when there was someone? Surely they'd know if there was meant to be someone there or not (cleaner, packers)?

From the looks of it, the cameras were there for a while before any sounds came, if someone was in there and not supposed to be, then they would hardly put music on when there is a camera and people wandering around?

Ziycon

Possible to do with the entrance of the old gaol(due to what it was used for) now being the entrance to Superquinn!? Do you tend to fix most 'activity' around Superquinn or is it spread out evenly throughout the centre?

maccored

Rasmus wrote: »

In that case, if it was me, I'd think that there was someone in there and either Superquinn management wasn't aware of it or they were not being upfront with you.

I would have to agree with Sambuka41 - I cant see why Superquinn management would straight out lie. It would have been easier for them to tell me there were cleaners in there or something. With modern day security systems I'd find it highly unlikely someone could be in there and they not know about it.

@Ziycon - the whole centre has a history of weird crap going on. Nothing as obvious as a ghost popping out and saying boo or anything, but stupid little things happening. Superquinn, although its within the centre, is always secured and alarmed at night so its an area thats never really been looked at.

To be honest, we've been in the centre a few times in the past when we'd hear music from the supermarket, but we had always assumed there was someone in there ... this was the first time I ever actually rang up and asked.

Rasmus

maccored wrote: »

I would have to agree with Sambuka41 - I cant see why Superquinn management would straight out lie. It would have been easier for them to tell me there were cleaners in there or something. With modern day security systems I'd find it highly unlikely someone could be in there and they not know about it.

@Ziycon - the whole centre has a history of weird crap going on. Nothing as obvious as a ghost popping out and saying boo or anything, but stupid little things happening. Superquinn, although its within the centre, is always secured and alarmed at night so its an area thats never really been looked at.

To be honest, we've been in the centre a few times in the past when we'd hear music from the supermarket, but we had always assumed there was someone in there ... this was the first time I ever actually rang up and asked.

If they saw someone on cctv would they be obligated to let you know though? If an employee was breaking and entering, superquinn might not be at liberty to disclose that information. You did ask for logical suggestions about the music.

maccored

aye - but all they'd have to say is they had someone in there that night. wouldnt that be the most logical way to deal with that if it were the case?

Rasmus

maccored wrote: »

aye - but all they'd have to say is they had someone in there that night. wouldnt that be the most logical way to deal with that if it were the case?

Yes I suppose so. Was this the first time the team had been in carlow shopping centre btw?

juan.kerr

If in doubt, assume it was a fart.

maccored

juan.kerr wrote: »

If in doubt, assume it was a fart.

amazing advice right there.

Akrasia

Whenever I close my fridge, the stereo turns off

The stereo is either sensitive to the vibrations or the magnetic field when the fridge closes.

If this shopping centre is an old Jail, then the wiring would be old, and the conversion process of a listed building would have resulted in some creative electical work.

It is far more likely that the speaker system is turning on and off by itself due to a loose wire or interference, than the alternative explanation that there are ghosts who keep switching the stereo on and off.

maccored

Rasmus wrote: »

Yes I suppose so. Was this the first time the team had been in carlow shopping centre btw?

no - we've been there quite a few times and its not the first time we've caught audio.