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  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭JDOC1996


    Some defer, some (like, a handful) take up places at Oxbridge, and some repeat if they didn't get UCD/Trinity (I know of someone who was offered UCD but repeated to get TCD :rolleyes:).

    I'm fairly sure you can't defer medicine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Eurovisionmad


    JDOC1996 wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure you can't defer medicine

    You can with a good reason, but not just because you want to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Raspberry Fileds


    JDOC1996 wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure you can't defer medicine
    You can with a good reason, but not just because you want to.

    I was largely basing that claim on this article.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Raspberry Fileds


    Just reading on the Indo website that "33 medical school applicants got their first preference" in the second round and "another 31 also received a higher preference".

    As usual (:rolleyes:), the data given are very ambiguous. It's impossible to know how many places became available, because one could result in five people receiving a higher preference. Assuming those classed as having got a higher preference had received Medicine as a first round offer, 10+ places became available. I wonder who rejected!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Just reading on the Indo website that "33 medical school applicants got their first preference" in the second round and "another 31 also received a higher preference".

    As usual (:rolleyes:), the data given are very ambiguous. It's impossible to know how many places became available, because one could result in five people receiving a higher preference. Assuming those classed as having got a higher preference had received Medicine as a first round offer, 10+ places became available. I wonder who rejected!

    No it doesn't. You're looking at it from the point of view that if one person rejected the place the five other people shuffle up one place in the list for medicine across the five courses. The CAO can't offer 5 hypothetical places on the assumption that the person will accept their new offer and the knock on effect of that person accepting it will free up a place in another course.

    If all those people accepted places in the first round in medicine courses then those places are filled until they reject them for a higher offer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    No drop in points for nuig.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Caolan


    GALWAY
    Round 1 721
    Round 2 721
    V 2013 -18

    RCSI
    Round 1 727
    Round 2 724
    V 2013 -17

    TCD
    Round 1 733
    Round 2 732
    V 2013 -16

    UCC
    Round 1 724
    Round 2 722
    V 2013 -20

    UCD
    Round 1 733
    Round 2 731
    V 2013 -16


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Header15


    No it doesn't. You're looking at it from the point of view that if one person rejected the place the five other people shuffle up one place in the list for medicine across the five courses. The CAO can't offer 5 hypothetical places on the assumption that the person will accept their new offer and the knock on effect of that person accepting it will free up a place in another course.

    If all those people accepted places in the first round in medicine courses then those places are filled until they reject them for a higher offer.

    So does that mean there will be further offers definitely with possibly more point drops?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Caolan


    Header15 wrote: »
    So does that mean there will be further offers definitely with possibly more point drops?

    Most people applying for Medicine will fill it places 1-5 regardless of geographic location (if you want med, you want med)

    The points drop because people DO NOT accept their place on a course (there could be a number of reasons including emigration, finance, deferral or geography).

    The points dropped for most of the Med courses which means a relatively decent amount of people would have accepted a place in R1 and now are being offered a place which better suits them (was higher on their CAO) in R2. Logic* has it that these places accepted in R1 will now students will handed back in favour of their R2 offer

    *Logic would have it that the CAO would pre-empt this and offer a certain amount of these places in R2 knowing people will be "trading up", I am unaware if the CAO take this into account though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Header15


    Caolan wrote: »
    Most people applying for Medicine will fill it places 1-5 regardless of geographic location (if you want med, you want med)

    The points drop because people DO NOT accept their place on a course (there could be a number of reasons including emigration, finance, deferral or geography).

    The points dropped for most of the Med courses which means a relatively decent amount of people would have accepted a place in R1 and now are being offered a place which better suits them (was higher on their CAO) in R2. Logic* has it that these places accepted in R1 will now students will handed back in favour of their R2 offer

    *Logic would have it that the CAO would pre-empt this and offer a certain amount of these places in R2 knowing people will be "trading up", I am unaware if the CAO take this into account though.

    Thanks. I'm just wondering because now I am only one point off my first choice. Surely they couldn't offer a place that someone has though because you can't guarantee that they will accept the round 2 offer if they've already sorted accommodation etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Caolan


    Header15 wrote: »
    Thanks. I'm just wondering because now I am only one point off my first choice. Surely they couldn't offer a place that someone has though because you can't guarantee that they will accept the round 2 offer if they've already sorted accommodation etc.

    Heaven knows- it could be worth a should calling or e-mailing the CAO seeing as you are so close (keep in mind there is still a deadline for people to accept R2 offers)

    What I would confidently state is that the CAO would take little or no notice of students need to sort accomodation (I get your point though). They may/may not offer places based on prior experience they have. The CAO have been doing this a long time, and overall are pretty efficient.

    As I said, I think its worth an e-mail or phone call seeing as you are only 1 point shy, but keep in mind, 1 point could be 10/20 candidates though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Caolan wrote: »
    Heaven knows- it could be worth a should calling or e-mailing the CAO seeing as you are so close (keep in mind there is still a deadline for people to accept R2 offers)

    What I would confidently state is that the CAO would take little or no notice of students need to sort accomodation (I get your point though). They may/may not offer places based on prior experience they have. The CAO have been doing this a long time, and overall are pretty efficient.

    As I said, I think its worth an e-mail or phone call seeing as you are only 1 point shy, but keep in mind, 1 point could be 10/20 candidates though.

    The CAO don't make exceptions just because a student rings up. So they won't just give out a place to a person who is a point short because they ask for it


  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭woopah92


    UCD med dropped to 731? For real? Is it on random selection on 731 too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Raspberry Fileds


    No it doesn't. You're looking at it from the point of view that if one person rejected the place the five other people shuffle up one place in the list for medicine across the five courses. The CAO can't offer 5 hypothetical places on the assumption that the person will accept theinew offer and the knock on effect of that person accepting it will free up a place in another course.

    If all those people accepted places in the first round in medicine courses then those places are filled until they reject them for a higher offer.

    Like a man in orthopedic shoes, I stand corrected.

    Sixty-four distinct places would therefore have had to become available. That represents over thirteen percent of the number of medical places last year. There's no way that many people declined their offer. Perhaps more places were made available


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 jannev94


    Got Med in NUIG :) anyone know of any accommodation going?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 cellaoc10


    Hey! I'm starting Med there! Are you doing the 5 or 6 year course?! I did Science last year so I'm living with 2nd years but City Property Services Galway are a good letting agency! (They might have a room available with a group or something!) We got our house off them, they could maybe give you some advice! Their numbers online somewhere! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 jannev94


    cellaoc10 wrote: »
    Hey! I'm starting Med there! Are you doing the 5 or 6 year course?! I did Science last year so I'm living with 2nd years but City Property Services Galway are a good letting agency! (They might have a room available with a group or something!) We got our house off them, they could maybe give you some advice! Their numbers online somewhere! :)

    I'm doing the five year course! You? I've done 2 years in UCD so it's my first year in Galway. Great thanks I'll give them a ring :)!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭xraylady


    I'm doing the five year one too. Maybe try the Atlantis accommodation? I got a room there a few days ago


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 DianaA


    IM LOOKING TO SWAP FROM 6 YEAR COURSE IN TO FIVE YEAR COURSE IN NUIG :D:D

    All NUIG students who got Five Year Course

    First of all Congrats !! :D

    I got the Six Year Course and normally would think its a great idea for settling into college etc especially if you're not from Galway or have just done the Lc. I just did First year of Biomed in NUIG which is basically Premed in terms of modules etc so I'd love to skip Premed if i can .
    Nuig Admissions told me if i can find someone who wants to swap they'd be happy to help out and organise it. Both people should register for what course they were offered regardless and then just approach them on campus .
    Of course im happy with medicine and count myself so blessed and am in no way complaining but if theres someone here or someone you know that would prefer to do the six year course and got five year course please drop me a quick email and we could arrange it !!!!!! :D

    Email : dianaalrumhi1995 @ gmail.com

    Hopefully theres someone whose looking to swap!

    Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Daa95


    i was put into the 5 year course in nuig but i was offered a higher preference on my cao yesterday so i wont be taking the place surely many 5 year spots will be vacant from others like me


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 DianaA


    Daa95 wrote: »
    i was put into the 5 year course in nuig but i was offered a higher preference on my cao yesterday so i wont be taking the place surely many 5 year spots will be vacant from others like me

    That makes sense :) I'd say they gave your spot to someone else ? I was just onto them earlier today and that's what they suggested so now I'm hoping to find someone

    Fingers crossed ! :D

    There's still a week or so anyways before proper lectures start !!

    Congrats on getting a higher preference on your CAO!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 cellaoc10


    Hey! I'm in the exact same boat as you! I was gonna post a similar message! I'm dying to swap Into the 5 year course! (Did NUIG 1st Science last year!) Pre Med is veeery similar according to a friend, so yeah, if a set of twins want to swap into the 6 Year Course instead of accepting the 5 Year Course, I'll be super grateful if ye'd drop me an email too! ;) cellaoc10 @ gmail.com ... Obviously email diana above first! But if there's anyone else looking to swap ... Id be ye're best friend for life! ;)<3


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 DianaA


    cellaoc10 wrote: »
    Hey! I'm in the exact same boat as you! I was gonna post a similar message! I'm dying to swap Into the 5 year course! (Did NUIG 1st Science last year!) Pre Med is veeery similar according to a friend, so yeah, if a set of twins want to swap into the 6 Year Course instead of accepting the 5 Year Course, I'll be super grateful if ye'd drop me an email too! ;) cellaoc10 @ gmail.com ... Obviously email diana above first! But if there's anyone else looking to swap ... Id be ye're best friend for life! ;)<3

    Fingers crossed for us both :) it just makes no sense to do the same year twice :O

    If nothing changes , you and I will be in the same course for six years , WOO :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 cellaoc10


    DianaA wrote: »
    Fingers crossed for us both :) it just makes no sense to do the same year twice :O

    If nothing changes , you and I will be in the same course for six years , WOO :D

    Haha It really doesnt! Needless to say, angry emails have been bitchily sent! ;) Haha let me know if you get changed! If we don't, we can mope for the year, skip all lectures, go drinking, and look forward to next year! :-D At least we're in the same boat! :d


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭leopard trek


    Guys, quick question!
    On careersportal they seem to think that there's a portfolio/interview form medicine? Hoping to do it next year but I've never heard anything like this before.

    Thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Like a man in orthopedic shoes, I stand corrected.

    Sixty-four distinct places would therefore have had to become available. That represents over thirteen percent of the number of medical places last year. There's no way that many people declined their offer. Perhaps more places were made available

    Perhaps. There could have also been a large number of deferrals, and also students that applied from outside Ireland, particularly NI and UK may have been offered places but instead accepted places through UCAS and were using the CAO as a back up.

    It does seem insane the number of declines given the type of student who applies for medicine but I'm sure there are some who do reject it when they decide they don't want to be a doctor.

    There's possibly a cohort who apply for Graduate Medicine that also apply to the CAO for undergrad Medicine as a backup.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 galpal123


    Got RCSI on 2nd round, delighted! Anyone else homeless too...?


  • Registered Users Posts: 30 ConorR32


    cellaoc10 wrote: »
    Hey! I'm in the exact same boat as you! I was gonna post a similar message! I'm dying to swap Into the 5 year course! (Did NUIG 1st Science last year!) Pre Med is veeery similar according to a friend, so yeah, if a set of twins want to swap into the 6 Year Course instead of accepting the 5 Year Course, I'll be super grateful if ye'd drop me an email too! ;) cellaoc10 @ gmail.com ... Obviously email diana above first! But if there's anyone else looking to swap ... Id be ye're best friend for life! ;)<3

    Hey, I missed med in the end! But I was pretty close! :( You say you done a year in science, I'm doing the same in TCD and was wondering how did you get med for 2nd year?
    Did you just apply to the CAO again or was there a transfer process in the college? I'm wondering just so I can assess whether or not I should have another stab at the LC along with 1st year science or whether I should just work hard in College?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    ConorR32 wrote: »
    Hey, I missed med in the end! But I was pretty close! :( You say you done a year in science, I'm doing the same in TCD and was wondering how did you get med for 2nd year?
    Did you just apply to the CAO again or was there a transfer process in the college? I'm wondering just so I can assess whether or not I should have another stab at the LC along with 1st year science or whether I should just work hard in College?

    You will have to do the hpat again anyway and also apply through the cao .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Header15


    I got medicine so it didn't affect me but does anybody else agree that the hpat is a complete joke. A test that measures how suited you are for the medical profession shouldn't change by 20+% over the course of one year imo. It is not the fault of the repeaters but rather the fault of the system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Ryan95


    So anyone else moving into UCD on Monday?! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 DianaA


    Header15 wrote: »
    I got medicine so it didn't affect me but does anybody else agree that the hpat is a complete joke. A test that measures how suited you are for the medical profession shouldn't change by 20+% over the course of one year imo. It is not the fault of the repeaters but rather the fault of the system.

    I completely agree, doing a sudoku puzzle or any brain teaser doesn't test how well you're suited for the medical profession nor how commited you are to working hard over the next few years .

    especially since people can improve on it so much , people don't change that much in one year. I repeated the hpat and got in the second time , does that mean I wasn't suited last year but am this year (seeing as they claim you can't prepare for it )


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Header15


    DianaA wrote: »
    I completely agree, doing a sudoku puzzle or any brain teaser doesn't test how well you're suited for the medical profession nor how commited you are to working hard over the next few years .

    especially since people can improve on it so much , people don't change that much in one year. I repeated the hpat and got in the second time , does that mean I wasn't suited last year but am this year (seeing as they claim you can't prepare for it )


    Exactly. It's an absolute joke. They really need to re-think entry routes. Although people believe interviews would be biased, I still think that it would be more suitable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭AtomicKoala


    Header15 wrote: »
    I got medicine so it didn't affect me but does anybody else agree that the hpat is a complete joke. A test that measures how suited you are for the medical profession shouldn't change by 20+% over the course of one year imo. It is not the fault of the repeaters but rather the fault of the system.

    Why can't the marking scheme change? The change is largely down to Section 3 being reweighted. Hence marks change. It's one's percentile that matters anyhow.
    DianaA wrote: »
    I completely agree, doing a sudoku puzzle or any brain teaser doesn't test how well you're suited for the medical profession nor how commited you are to working hard over the next few years .

    In all fairness, the LC tests one's learning ability and assiduousness, and forms the bulk of ones points for Medicine (around 75% of the points). So your commitment to working hard is what really counts :)

    I certainly think Section 1 and 2 in the HPAT are far more valid indicators of suitability than my mark in History :pac:
    DianaA wrote: »
    especially since people can improve on it so much , people don't change that much in one year. I repeated the hpat and got in the second time , does that mean I wasn't suited last year but am this year (seeing as they claim you can't prepare for it )

    The issue is test prep as such - the prep given by ACER is a joke. People who do the same prep course each time won't see much of a difference. If ACER gave a comprehensive online set of exams (instead of extortionate charges for mediocre ones), this would be greatly allievated :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 h157


    Ryan95 wrote: »
    So anyone else moving into UCD on Monday?! :D

    Meeeee :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭woopah92


    I pity all the poor people who got someone in Dublin on 2nd round :'( it's going to be so hard to find accommodation at this point..

    But welcome all the new RCSI meds! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 cellaoc10


    ConorR32 wrote: »
    Hey, I missed med in the end! But I was pretty close! :( You say you done a year in science, I'm doing the same in TCD and was wondering how did you get med for 2nd year?
    Did you just apply to the CAO again or was there a transfer process in the college? I'm wondering just so I can assess whether or not I should have another stab at the LC along with 1st year science or whether I should just work hard in College?

    Hey! Sorry, just saw this now! Ah you have to reapply through CAO and then it's up to you if you repeat the hpat! I'd strongly advise you to repeat it, its much easier second time round i found! And with regards to the LC, if you're anywhere near 550, i wouldn't bother, I'd concentrate on doing well in Science, because in case it doesn't work out next year, you'll need good grades to get into the likes of Anatomy and Physiology! They're restricted modules so you need to do pretty decent exams in 1st year!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 JF77


    Hi all, I am looking for advice on whether i should repeat the leaving cert this year. I am definitely repeating the Hpat as i didn't score high enough this year.

    My grades and subjects(all higher) are as follows:
    Biology A2
    Chemistry A2
    Economics A2
    English A2 (Not counted)
    French A1
    Irish A2
    Maths B1

    This gives me 570 but i looked at my scripts on Saturday and have very good chances of going up to an A2 in Maths (I was 7 points off and wasn't awarded any marks for one of questions which is correct according to my teacher and is worth 10 marks). I also hope to move my biology up to an A1 (I was 5 points off and again filled in an apparent discrepancy form which should hopefully be brought up) These new grades would bring me up to 585. The question i have is if i should repeat.

    I scored 163 in the hpat (70th percentile) but was very disappointed as was hoping for 80/90th. I probably didn't work hard enough on my hpat but i'm willing to work very hard on hpat this year.


    To sum it up, is 585 too low a leaving cert to get medicine? Should i repeat both the Lc and hpat?

    Many thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Seanf999


    JF77 wrote: »
    Hi all, I am looking for advice on whether i should repeat the leaving cert this year. I am definitely repeating the Hpat as i didn't score high enough this year.

    My grades and subjects(all higher) are as follows:
    Biology A2
    Chemistry A2
    Economics A2
    English A2 (Not counted)
    French A1
    Irish A2
    Maths B1

    This gives me 570 but i looked at my scripts on Saturday and have very good chances of going up to an A2 in Maths (I was 7 points off and wasn't awarded any marks for one of questions which is correct according to my teacher and is worth 10 marks). I also hope to move my biology up to an A1 (I was 5 points off and again filled in an apparent discrepancy form which should hopefully be brought up) These new grades would bring me up to 585. The question i have is if i should repeat.

    I scored 163 in the hpat (70th percentile) but was very disappointed as was hoping for 80/90th. I probably didn't work hard enough on my hpat but i'm willing to work very hard on hpat this year.


    To sum it up, is 585 too low a leaving cert to get medicine? Should i repeat both the Lc and hpat?

    Many thanks

    I think you should just repeat the hpat I mean 585 is nothing to be ashamed of! (And for that extra years work that will take away from your hpat) you will only get a measly amount of points..


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Seanf999


    I'm probably a bit out of place here being surrounded my med students while I'm a mere 5th year but anyways.. I'm hoping of studying medicine (RCSI if all goes well!) and I've a few small questions..

    How much did ye study daily for the leaving cert?
    And since I'm ignoring maths and just focusing on my strengths and going for the 6 year option as I wouldn't get the points for the five year..
    What kind of points would I be needing in the LC and Hpat to get in to the 6 year course?..

    Sorry for hijacking but getting some input from people who have been there would be a phenomenal help, cheers!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭woopah92


    585 is not too low. It's actually the higher end of people going for medicine. Not as many people as you think get that 625 or 600.


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Seanf999


    woopah92 wrote: »
    585 is not too low. It's actually the higher end of people going for medicine. Not as many people as you think get that 625 or 600.

    I would have guessed 550 as the average LC on entry to medicine..


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 JF77


    Thank you all for your prompt replies!
    I have already enrolled in a repeating school and if i don't go up on the rechecks, i'll continue repeating. But fingers crossed, i'll go up and just repeat the hpat. I think that it'll be very difficult to get up to 600/625 without deterring form my hpat too much so depending on the rechecks, i'll work for the year and save for college while working hard on my hpat, of course!

    Congratulations to everyone who got medicine this year and hopefully i'll see those who are repaeting next year.
    Regards


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Header15


    Out of curiosity, what proportion of those that got medicine this year were hpat repeaters does anybody know?


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Seanf999


    Header15 wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, what proportion of those that got medicine this year were hpat repeaters does anybody know?

    I heard something like '2/3s of medical students are hpat repeats..' Whether that's true or not I don't know but if the number is that high I'll be in for a shock!


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Header15


    Seanf999 wrote: »
    I heard something like '2/3s of medical students are hpat repeats..' Whether that's true or not I don't know but if the number is that high I'll be in for a shock!

    To be honest I wouldn't be overly surprised because it seems a lot of repeats have gotten it compared to leaving certs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Seanf999


    Header15 wrote: »
    To be honest I wouldn't be overly surprised because it seems a lot of repeats have gotten it compared to leaving certs.

    Yeah I'd say it's because they spend so much time studying for the leaving cert so the Hpat is almost an after thought, and when they don't pass the hpat they repeat and spend the next year entirely focused on the Hpat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 D3mand123


    Anyone know of any accommodation left in galway?


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 CGMed


    Contact various campus accommodations tomorrow....might be vacant places after round 3 offers on Friday......


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Maggie16


    Hi, I was wondering, does anyone know any websites, where I can find out information about medicine. I just want to know how many people applied to UCD, Trinity, RCS, in 2014 and how many got in/number of places. All I can find is the minimum/max number of points on the CAO site. Thank you


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