Syrian Regime Change Planned Since 2005

Brown Bomber

The following is an interview by Trish Schuh for Counterpunch Magazine with Ziad Abdelnour, an US-based Lebanese Zionist who serves on the board of Daniel Pipes' Middle East Forum.
Informed by the CIA he assures us that Assad will be overthrown by force and that he doesn't care if "we" have to lie to make it happen.

Schuh: What is the future of Syria, of President Bashar Al Assad’s situation?
Nour: Both the Syrian and Lebanese regimes will be changed- whether they like it or not- whether it’s going to be a military coup or something else… and we are working on it. We know already exactly who’s going to be the replacements. We’re working on it with the Bush administration. This is a Nazi regime of 30 years, killing ministers, presidents and stuff like that. They must be removed. These guys who came to power, who rule by power, can only be removed by power. This is Machiavelli’s power game. That’s how it is. This is how geopolitics — the war games, power games — work. I know inside out how it works, because I come from a family of politicians for the last 60 years. Look, I have access to the top classified information from the CIA from all over the world. They call me, I advise them. I know exactly what’s going on. And this will happen.

Q: So would they remove the entire Assad family?
A: Why not? Who is Bashar Al Assad?

Q: I didn’t see forensic proof in the Mehlis report that would legally convict Assad of Hariri’s death in a court of law.
A: I don’t give a damn. I don’t give a damn, frankly. This Bashar Al Assad-Emil Lahoud regime is going to go whether it’s true or not. When we went to Iraq whether there were weapons of mass destruction or not, the key is — we won. And Saddam is out! Whatever we want, will happen. Iran? We will not let Iran become a nuclear power. We’ll find a way, we’ll find an excuse- to get rid of Iran. And I don’t care what the excuse is. There is no room for rogue states in the world. Whether we lie about it, or invent something, or we don’t… I don’t care. The end justifies the means. What’s right? Might is right, might is right. That’s it. Might is right.

Q: You sound just like Saddam. Those were his rules too.
A: So Saddam wanted to prove to the whole world he was strong? Well, we’re stronger- he’s out! He’s finished. And Iran’s going to be finished and every single Arab regime that’s like this will be finished. Because there is no room for us capitalists and multinationalists in the world to operate with regimes like this. Its all about money. And power. And wealth… and democracy has to be spread around the world. Those who want to espouse globalization are going to make a lot of money, be happy, their families will be happy. And those who aren’t going to play this game are going to be crushed, whether they like it or not! This is how we rule. And this is how it’s going to be as long as you have people who think like me.

Q: When will this regime change take place?
A: Within 6 months, in both Lebanon and Syria.

Q: Some names of replacements?
A: It is classified. There are going to be replacements and we know who they are, but I cannot mention the names.[

Q: Will this be done peacefully?
A: It doesn’t matter. The end justifies the means. I don’t care about how it’s done. The important thing is that it is done. I don’t rule out force. I’m not against force. If it’s an option, it will be an option.

Q: But if it’s just trading Syrian control for American or Israeli control?
A: I have — we have — absolutely no problem with heavy US involvement in Lebanon. On an economic level, military level, political level, security level… whatever it is. Israel is the 51st state of the United States. Let Lebanon be the 52nd state. And if the Arabs don’t like it, tough luck.

Jonny7

Nutjob

Article 2005

Q: When will this regime change take place?
A: Within 6 months, in both Lebanon and Syria.

Alex Jones type prediction there

JustinDee

Subjective to the last as always.

The overthrow of the Ba'ath regime in Syria has been the focus of its enemies since day they usurped the country with the incessant support from Iran, USSR, then Russia which has been unyielding and for their chief functionary, Hizbullah in Lebanon.

"Look, I have access to the top classified information from the CIA from all over the world"
Well, if he says so, it must be true, right? . . .
Possibly the worst alleged CIA channel ever to advertise their position to a known-polemicist publication.

'Counterpunch', the Cockburn family mouthpiece and the monocular Jonathan Cook. Folks who make a nice penny out of repetitive literature dishing out one side of the story.

Syria has assisted in tinkering with foreign governments since the 60s right up to now. Why aren't you equally as outraged about this? (Don't bother answering. Its a rhetorical question)

studiorat

Jonny7 wrote: »

Alex Jones type prediction there

It is a conspiracy theory forum after all!

Jonny7

studiorat wrote: »

It is a conspiracy theory forum after all!

Couldn't fool me, it's the RTDH and Brown Bomber show

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

Jonny7 wrote: »

Couldn't fool me, it's the RTDH and Brown Bomber show

Sure there`s little doubt yer no fool and yer mens RTDH & BB have more than a small part in that show alright :pac:

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

Nutjob

Article 2005

November 2005. Israel invaded Lebanon 7 months later.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

Subjective to the last as always.

The overthrow of the Ba'ath regime in Syria has been the focus of its enemies since day they usurped the country with the incessant support from Iran, USSR, then Russia which has been unyielding and for their chief functionary, Hizbullah in Lebanon.

"Look, I have access to the top classified information from the CIA from all over the world"
Well, if he says so, it must be true, right? . . .
Possibly the worst alleged CIA channel ever to advertise their position to a known-polemicist publication.

'Counterpunch', the Cockburn family mouthpiece and the monocular Jonathan Cook. Folks who make a nice penny out of repetitive literature dishing out one side of the story.

Syria has assisted in tinkering with foreign governments since the 60s right up to now. Why aren't you equally as outraged about this? (Don't bother answering. Its a rhetorical question)

What's your point exactly? That Abdelnour is lying? Or that Counterpunch is lying?

It's quite possible that the CIA is in close contact with him as he is in almost all regards a Lebanese Chalabi.

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

What's your point exactly? That Abdelnour is lying? Or that Counterpunch is lying?

It's quite possible that the CIA is in close contact with him as he is in almost all regards a Lebanese Chalabi.

I'm saying you'll take on board whatever suits your agenda, even a case of taking any old duffer's retrospective and convenient word for it.

shedweller

JustinDee wrote: »

I'm saying you'll take on board whatever suits your agenda, even a case of taking any old duffer's retrospective and convenient word for it.

So are you saying that an operation as big as this just happened spontaneously?

JustinDee

shedweller wrote: »

So are you saying that an operation as big as this just happened spontaneously?

No, I'm saying there is far more than one side of the story. Not just blinkered myopic and pro-agendaic subjectively selected rhetoric.

shedweller

JustinDee wrote: »

No, I'm saying there is far more than one side of the story. Not just blinkered myopic and pro-agendaic subjectively selected rhetoric.

Do tell.

JustinDee

shedweller wrote: »

Do tell.

How many coups/regime changes have Syria been involved in since 1966 in the Middle East both covertly and overtly? And while you're at it, alongside whom?

Both sides of story. It really is a pity that some don't bother adopting a less myopic view, even with agendae on board.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

I'm saying you'll take on board whatever suits your agenda, even a case of taking any old duffer's retrospective and convenient word for it.

He's not "any old duffer" though is he? He's the director of the of The United States Committee For A Free Lebanon whose advisory board reads like a who's who of Zionist, Neocon Warmongers. PNACers, fmr AIPAC heads, fmr CIA heads and generally the Neocon kooks who enjoyed great influence under the Bush regime.
http://www.freelebanon.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=42

Also, according to Seymour Hersh Bush had met with the Israelis to discuss attacking Lebanon within the timeframe he specified.

Everything that he has said will happen has happened or is close to happening. Just not in the timeframe he specified.

And please don't bother responding if you are just going to continue with lazy ad-homs. It's pointless.

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

He's not "any old duffer" though is he? He's the director of the of The United States Committee For A Free Lebanon whose advisory board reads like a who's who of Zionist, Neocon Warmongers. PNACers, fmr AIPAC heads, fmr CIA heads and generally the Neocon kooks who enjoyed great influence under the Bush regime.
http://www.freelebanon.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=42

Also, according to Seymour Hersh Bush had met with the Israelis to discuss attacking Lebanon within the timeframe he specified.

Everything that he has said will happen has happened or is close to happening. Just not in the timeframe he specified.

And please don't bother responding if you are just going to continue with lazy ad-homs. It's pointless.

What is pointless is advising you to be a bit more discernible and fussy with your alleged source material. You'll settle for a lobbyist's word and claims that he is a CIA asset because these retrospective claims, and that's what they are, claims, suit your thinking on the matter.
Regime change at the hands of enemy allies and neighbours is nothing surprising. Certainly in Syria's case. Only difference is that are on the receiving end this time. Even their largest benefactor, Russia, and largest proxy ally, Hizbullah, are limited in what they can do to assist the regime.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

What is pointless is advising you

I didn't ask for your advice nor do I need it.

There are many things that I could say about your apologetics and agenda but I choose not to because a) it's against the rules b) it's pointless and c) I have no desire to offend you.

Perhaps you could return the favour because it's getting rather old.

JustinDee wrote: »

to be a bit more discernible and fussy with your alleged source material. You'll settle for a lobbyist's word and claims that he is a CIA asset because these retrospective claims, and that's what they are, claims, suit your thinking on the matter.

They are not retrospective claims. They are claims made ahead of time by a well connected individual that events would play out in a certain way based on the information he has received from his connections. The claims have in many cases become reality. This is what gives the claims credibility.

JustinDee wrote: »

Regime change at the hands of enemy allies and neighbours is nothing surprising. Certainly in Syria's case. Only difference is that are on the receiving end this time. Even their largest benefactor, Russia, and largest proxy ally, Hizbullah, are limited in what they can do to assist the regime.

If you want to discuss any of the above then start a thread. It has nothing to do with the OP.

shedweller

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I didn't ask for your advice nor do I need it.

There are many things that I could say about your apologetics and agenda but I choose not to because a) it's against the rules b) it's pointless and c) I have no desire to offend you.

Perhaps you could return the favour because it's getting rather old.


They are not retrospective claims. They are claims made ahead of time by a well connected individual that events would play out in a certain way based on the information he has received from his connections. The claims have in many cases become reality. This is what gives the claims credibility.


If you want to discuss any of the above then start a thread. It has nothing to do with the OP.

But he can't. He's a serial (paid?) debunker!

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

They are claims made ahead of time by a well connected individual that events would play out in a certain way based on the information he has received from his connections.

Nope, he's a right-wing nut who makes a false prediction.

Syria was on some distant agenda for Rove and the Neocons but that quickly fizzled when Iraq became a stalemate.

JustinDee

shedweller wrote: »

But he can't. He's a serial (paid?) debunker!

Now you're just being silly. I just explained my view and view of what the other poster posted and why.
Just an opinion.

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I didn't ask for your advice nor do I need it.

There are many things that I could say about your apologetics and agenda but I choose not to because a) it's against the rules b) it's pointless and c) I have no desire to offend you.

Perhaps you could return the favour because it's getting rather old.


They are not retrospective claims. They are claims made ahead of time by a well connected individual that events would play out in a certain way based on the information he has received from his connections. The claims have in many cases become reality. This is what gives the claims credibility.


If you want to discuss any of the above then start a thread. It has nothing to do with the OP.

No need to play the victim.
For a start, any intelligence asset who shouts out that he is an intelligence asset should immediately raise an eyebrow on both the claim and credibility.

Good enough for you? Fine. It isn't for me, and as I've stated already Syria has been involved in regime change in the region for decades, only this time she's on the receiving end.