Clarke autobiography

Trampas

Dazzler autobiography is out.

Anyone planning on getting it?

I am 50/50. Read the 1st chapter today as a sample on the kindle

Benny Cake

Trampas wrote: »

Dazzler autobiography is out.

Anyone planning on getting it?

I am 50/50. Read the 1st chapter today as a sample on the kindle

Wouldn't interest me... Can't warm to him tbh.

PRAF

Benny Cake wrote: »

Wouldn't interest me... Can't warm to him tbh.

Ah c'mon, what about Ryder Cup 2006 in the KClub. Would bring a tear to anyone's eye.

ForeRight

PRAF wrote: »

Ah c'mon, what about Ryder Cup 2006 in the KClub. Would bring a tear to anyone's eye.

Not mine.

I saw him about a month later in Lillies hanging out of skirt all night like an absolute creep.

Creasy_bear

ForeRight wrote: »

Not mine.

I saw him about a month later in Lillies hanging out of skirt all night like an absolute creep.

nor mine. He makes me sick, I felt so sorry for him after reading his first book too.

PRAF

Hmmm, I don't know the guy at all and don't know much about his character. Comes across as a decent guy on tv. Why the negativity towards him?

ForeRight

PRAF wrote: »

Hmmm, I don't know the guy at all and don't know much about his character. Comes across as a decent guy on tv. Why the negativity towards him?

I'm not being negative. I'm merely stating the facts of what I personally witnessed only a couple of months after the death of his wife.

Maybe he was out for a well deserved blow out after a tough few weeks and was just being friendly with the girls in the club.

Maybe it was something else. Who knows.


Either way I wouldn't be shedding tears in glass eyes.


When my wife dies ill shed a tear.
Then ill hit lillies to celebrate...

Oh ......I mean mourn

PRAF

ForeRight wrote: »

I'm not being negative. I'm merely stating the facts of what I personally witnessed only a couple of months after the death of his wife.

Maybe he was out for a well deserved blow out after a tough few weeks and was just being friendly with the girls in the club.

Maybe it was something else. Who knows.


Either way I wouldn't be shedding tears in glass eyes.


When my wife dies ill shed a tear.
Then ill hit lillies to celebrate...

Oh ......I mean mourn

Is that the only reason? I wouldn't be so quick to judge. None of us really knows the ins and outs of that situation

ForeRight

PRAF wrote: »

Is that the only reason? I wouldn't be so quick to judge. None of us really knows the ins and outs of that situation

That's what I just said. I don't know.

I'm just saying what I saw. He was enjoying himself with some lovely girls and was being very friendly with one of them.

Maybe they were just friends.

Benny Cake

PRAF wrote: »

Ah c'mon, what about Ryder Cup 2006 in the KClub. Would bring a tear to anyone's eye.

Followed at a pro-am a few years back and he acted like a complete tool all day. Not the "sound man" he wants people to think he is...

PRAF

Benny Cake wrote: »

Followed at a pro-am a few years back and he acted like a complete tool all day. Not the "sound man" he wants people to think he is...

Interesting. Actually, I did hear that he is a bit of a b0llix to his caddies. Maybe he had a bit of a nasty streak in him. Still think he is probably an alright guy though. Seems to have been a bit of a mentor to Rory & GMAC, has represented Ireland very well, and seems to be a popular player on tour. Can't be all bad surely?

WHIP IT!

ForeRight wrote: »

Not mine.

I saw him about a month later in Lillies hanging out of skirt all night like an absolute creep.

What exactly is the point of your post?? You saw a single man in a nightclub talking to a (presumably) single woman??

I don't doubt for a second his emotion at the K Club was genuine but what do you want him to do, go home & lock himself in a dark room sobbing & screaming 'why god, why?!'?

I think your post was petite, self-righteous & possibly partly fuelled by envy... and it's hardly a fair fight, not like Darren Clarke will come on here & defend himself now is it.

eyescreamcone

I didn't like him downing pints of guinness on the telly after that Ryder cup. Bad example to be showing.
Could you imagine if Henry Sheflin was downing pints in the Hogan Stand or Messi after a CL final.
It was embarrassing Irish "we love our drink" bullsh1t!!!

Also he has under performed over his career. Never went the extra yard to get fit if you ask me.

SnowDrifts

eyescreamcone wrote: »

I didn't like him downing pints of guinness on the telly after that Ryder cup. Bad example to be showing.

Yeah... what was he thinking drinking a pint of the black stuff after winning the Ryder Cup in Ireland. A disgrace.. he should have locked himself away in the jacks where no one could see him. Down with that sort of thing.

soundsham

Got a present of the last book and couldn't finish it .....so hope I don't get another ill be doing my best to avoid it

Criticising the K club euphoria and comparing it to Henry Shefflin ......... Fantastic analogy
Ban the champagne in F 1 too I say

eyescreamcone

SnowDrifts wrote: »

Yeah... what was he thinking drinking a pint of the black stuff after winning the Ryder Cup in Ireland. A disgrace.. he should have locked himself away in the jacks where no one could see him. Down with that sort of thing.

No problem with him having his pints with his team mates in the bar after the presentation - but not showing off 'downing in one' for the cameras. It lacked class and should not be a part of a sporting event.

SnowDrifts

eyescreamcone wrote: »

No problem with him having his pints with his team mates in the bar after the presentation - but not showing off 'downing in one' for the cameras. It lacked class and should not be a part of a sporting event.

I disagree. Considering all the factors, I thought it to be very appropriate.

eyescreamcone

SnowDrifts wrote: »

I disagree. Considering all the factors, I thought it to be very appropriate.

Do you think it was appropriate on that one occasion or after every/any event??

SnowDrifts

That occasion.

eyescreamcone

SnowDrifts wrote: »

That occasion.

Because his wife died and he was emotional??
Or because he is Irish and the event was in Ireland??
Or both??

I'll have to agree to disagree with you.
Alcohol has no place at a sporting presentation. Amateur or pro.
I believe the GAA won't allow their cups to be filled with drink anymore.
In no other country would it be deemed appropriate to drink alcohol at the presentation.
It made us look like pissheads.
Maybe that's how we want to portrayed.

slave1

Jazuz, hard lot here, no heart, that lad has won around the world, one of the few to beat the Tiger when he was playing well head to head, major winner and made the Ryder Cup in the K-Club and all there is is nit picking of isolated events and hearsay, those in glasshouses etc.
Anyhow, I'll probably read at some stage but won't be rushing out to get it, I like auto/biographies, thought the best one I ever read was either (a few good ones) on Marc Bolan or the Ray Davies biography.

Actually thinking further about it, I got the chance to play the K Club Ryder course earlier in the year (€50) and the bit I was most looking forward to was the par 5 (16th?) as apart from the downing of the pint that's the bit I remember most from that Ryder Cup when he did the business and then it all folded in and he broke down, all came to mind on that green quite vividly.

ForeRight

WHIP IT! wrote: »

What exactly is the point of your post?? You saw a single man in a nightclub talking to a (presumably) single woman??

I don't doubt for a second his emotion at the K Club was genuine but what do you want him to do, go home & lock himself in a dark room sobbing & screaming 'why god, why?!'?

I think your post was petite, self-righteous & possibly partly fuelled by envy... and it's hardly a fair fight, not like Darren Clarke will come on here & defend himself now is it.

My point is pretty clear if you read the whole thread.

It was said if you saw him at the k club it would bring a tear to a glass eye.

I said it wouldn't bring a tear to my eye as 2 weeks after all the emotion and outpour of emotion from the public I saw him in a nightclub having a great time with a young lady. Pissed drunk and generally being very sloppy over her.

I'm in no way envious. I think he did great in the game to achieve what he did. Fair play to him for everything he achieved. The point is I would not be shedding a tear for him over his life story.

GreeBo

SnowDrifts wrote: »

I disagree. Considering all the factors, I thought it to be very appropriate.

what about him having a fat frog or double vrb or something?
iagree that downing it like a teenager can only have negative connotations.
have a pint with your mates by all means, but please don't perpetuate that sort of stupid behaviour, especially as a role model when you know all the cameras are on you.(even if it is a sausage roll )

WHIP IT!

ForeRight wrote: »

My point is pretty clear if you read the whole thread.

It was said if you saw him at the k club it would bring a tear to a glass eye.

I said it wouldn't bring a tear to my eye as 2 weeks after all the emotion and outpour of emotion from the public I saw him in a nightclub having a great time with a young lady. Pissed drunk and generally being very sloppy over her.

I'm in no way envious. I think he did great in the game to achieve what he did. Fair play to him for everything he achieved. The point is I would not be shedding a tear for him over his life story.

Well yesterday it was "a couple of months" but today it was "2 weeks" - which was it??

Man loses wife and mother of his kids to cancer & moves on... what a b*stard!

Trampas

I think we have all heard bad stories about every sportsperson in the world.

I even heard them about Seve but somebody wouldn't hear a bad word about him.

I like biographies but they must be truthful and not just a money making practice. I'll wait for a few reviews before I decide to buy it or not.

Dicky Pride

I "hate" a lot of players in golf. Marcel siem for his stupid fist pumps after every putt. Webb Simpson for his obsession with Jesus...I could go on. But, it's not really hate, it's mock emotion that I convey whilst watching sport. Because, you see, I don't know these people. I know nothing about them and in the most part they are probably very decent people.

People on the Internet love spreading stories to rubbish someone's character. They often do it to make them feel like they're in the know, and it always sounds ridiculous. You say Darren Clarke in a night club chasing every bit of skirt he could find? I think you're a liar tbh.

He always comes across as a decent enough man although I was never too comfortable, and I don't think he was too, with him almost being beatified because of his wife dying.

From what I gathered from reading this thread...does he now have 2 auto-biographies? He's definitely not interesting enough to warrant that.

ForeRight

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Well yesterday it was "a couple of months" but today it was "2 weeks" - which was it??

Man loses wife and mother of his kids to cancer & moves on... what a b*stard!

Couple of weeks after the Ryder cup I said which was a couple of months after the death.


Great that he moved on. Fair play. You still miss the point that for me it's not someone to shed tears over.

If I want to shed tears over something I will go down to our ladies cancer ward. Definitely not over Darren Clarke winning a Ryder cup game.

FixdePitchmark

ForeRight wrote: »

My point is pretty clear if you read the whole thread.

It was said if you saw him at the k club it would bring a tear to a glass eye.

I said it wouldn't bring a tear to my eye as 2 weeks after all the emotion and outpour of emotion from the public I saw him in a nightclub having a great time with a young lady. Pissed drunk and generally being very sloppy over her.

I'm in no way envious. I think he did great in the game to achieve what he did. Fair play to him for everything he achieved. The point is I would not be shedding a tear for him over his life story.

ForeRight if you were lillies you have a few issue yourself, only c list celebs and wannabes go there also all the dudes who ended up in NAMA. (joking man)

When suffering from bereavement and what he went through , nobody knows what way you will deal with it. So you can write off everything he did in the few years what he was going through, nobody are themselves during that.

But, there is no reason for the big sour puss he went around with at tournaments before his problems - but we don't know what was going on all the time.

All in all , this makes him a far more interesting person than 95 % of pros, he has a story, someone from the north in itself has a story to tell, his raw talent, his smoking and drinking.

By nature of the game , golf 24 / 7, 5 star resorts, very little involvement in politics or arts or music or anything outside golf - pro golfers are very dull, typically.

Anyway i won 800 quid on him, so owe him one for Open

I think Daren is a nicer guy now, he has found peace, the drinking thing was predictable , funny and sad - but he does not try to be a role model, he leaves that to Tiger :eek:. Nothing worse than someone who puts themself up as a role model and is bull.

But all bull, because nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Keano

GreeBo wrote: »

what about him having a fat frog or double vrb or something?
iagree that downing it like a teenager can only have negative connotations.
have a pint with your mates by all means, but please don't perpetuate that sort of stupid behaviour, especially as a role model when you know all the cameras are on you.(even if it is a sausage roll )

It was one pint...

What about all the bottles of Moet after the Ryder Cup that all the players were drinking out of?

GreeBo

Keano A Legend wrote: »

It was one pint...

What about all the bottles of Moet after the Ryder Cup that all the players were drinking out of?

It was necking it down in one go.
I've yet to see someone neck an entire bottle of champagne, they are spraying it and pouring it over each other in celebration. Not drinking it as quickly as possible.
No one has an issue with him drinking a pint (as far as I can see) its downing it thats the issue. Millions of people watched that and are influenced by it.
- some will think we all drink like that
- some will be influenced to try that
- some will continue to think that drinking to get drunk asap is a great laugh altogether

SnowDrifts

GreeBo wrote: »

what about him having a fat frog or double vrb or something?
iagree that downing it like a teenager can only have negative connotations.
have a pint with your mates by all means, but please don't perpetuate that sort of stupid behaviour, especially as a role model when you know all the cameras are on you.(even if it is a sausage roll )

So you also think F1 drivers are poor role models when they upend a bottle of champagne? This is one of those differing opinion situations where ping pong replies normally ensues.

I must say, I'm fairly surprised that there were negative thoughts about Clarke downing that pint. I remember the image in the papers the next day and I didn't read one negative comment from any journalist. Each to their own I guess.

PARlance

Keano A Legend wrote: »

It was one pint...

What about all the bottles of Moet after the Ryder Cup that all the players were drinking out of?

Surprised the Cigars haven't come up.
As a drinker & smoker. I think images of golfers smoking is a hell of a lot worse than downing a pint.

Be honest lads, if he chugged the same amount (with higher alcohol %) from a bottle of Moët I don't think there would be the same bad feelings.
Downing the Pint is not a good image for kids but its no better or worse than celebrating with Champagne.

GreeBo

When celebrating with champagne you drink very very little or you would explode.
F1 drivers are clearly celebrating, its not about the alcohol at all, in this case it was purely about the alcohol and how quickly he could get it inside him.

IMO the same thing could have been achieved by supping the pint.
Downing it in one perpetuates the macho "look what I can do with a pint, I'm cool, you should try to be like me" attitude.

Keano

GreeBo wrote: »

It was necking it down in one go.
I've yet to see someone neck an entire bottle of champagne, they are spraying it and pouring it over each other in celebration. Not drinking it as quickly as possible.
No one has an issue with him drinking a pint (as far as I can see) its downing it thats the issue. Millions of people watched that and are influenced by it.
- some will think we all drink like that
- some will be influenced to try that
- some will continue to think that drinking to get drunk asap is a great laugh altogether

- The majority of Irish people drink a lot as it is
- Plenty have done it before him and will do so in future and not because the saw the golfer do it so it must be ok!
- Yes there are those that do that but that's their choice, Clarke necking a pint isn't his way of endorsing it!

charlieIRL

Keano A Legend wrote: »

- The majority of Irish people drink a lot as it is
- Plenty have done it before him and will do so in future and not because the saw the golfer do it so it must be ok!
- Yes there are those that do that but that's their choice, Clarke necking a pint isn't his way of endorsing it!

Agree with ya there Keano - Ireland already has a reputation for drinking, long before Darren Clarke downed the pint.

The drink doesn't bother me at all as it was a once off, but, I'd rather not see him (or Miguel Jiminez) smoking cigars on tv. Hypocritical? Maybe

eyescreamcone

I also wouldn't like to see the smoking of cigarettes or cigars by these guys on camera.
The promotion of cigarettes or alcohol by sports people is to be frowned upon.
Do it in private if you must - just keep it off camera.


I've nothing against Clarke - decent golfer who should have won more events with his talent, in my opinion.
Won't be rushing to buy the book even though I'd imagine it will be better than most footballers autobiographies (not Cascarino's though)

Aidric

I never knew there were so many saints posting on the golf forum. Comforting to know.

I don't know Clarke personally, never met the bloke. I like his laid back approach and he is popular with fellow pros.

As for downing a pint in one, big deal. Given the huge emotions surrounding that week I can certainly forgive him for letting his guard down. If memory serves me correct he wasn't the only player/caddy to do it.

eyescreamcone

Aidric wrote: »

I never knew there were so many saints posting on the golf forum. Comforting to know.

I don't know Clarke personally, never met the bloke. I like his laid back approach and he is popular with fellow pros.

As for downing a pint in one, big deal. Given the huge emotions surrounding that week I can certainly forgive him for letting his guard down. If memory serves me correct he wasn't the only player/caddy to do it.

None of them should be doing it until they're off camera!!!

Could you imagine the uproar if the Chelsea team started drinking pints in the stand after collecting the Champions League trophy???
Or the Leinster team???
It is exactly the same thing!!!

PARlance

I was on a call the last day with a French and German guy.

The German was 5 mins late, the French guy politely answered me when I asked how he was and I wasn't drunk as a........

Point being, some people get too hung up on national stereotypes.
The vast majority of people know the most Irish people don't go around skulling pints.

There's been a big change in our attitude towards drink and that is great, and hopefully will continue to improve, but I think people have gotten overly sensitive how people perceive us.

PARlance

eyescreamcone wrote: »

None of them should be doing it until they're off camera!!!

Could you imagine the uproar if the Chelsea team started drinking pints in the stand after collecting the Champions League trophy???
Or the Leinster team???
It is exactly the same thing!!!

Frank Lampard was caught live on sky drinking a bottle of heineken in the tunnel as he watched his teammates win the league...No uproar.

Or the Leinster team???? What, winning the HEINEKEN cup???

I agree that it would be preferable to not have any alcohol association with sport but lets not fool ourselves into thinking Darren is the big problem here

Osmago

Big Darren told me to F**k off when I was only 12 at the Irish Open in Fota in 2002. I only asked him for a ball. Nice one Darren

L.O.F.T

Osmago wrote: »

Big Darren told me to F**k off when I was only 12 at the Irish Open in Fota in 2002. I only asked him for a ball. Nice one Darren

Did you call him ''big Darren'' when asking for the autograph?!

Osmago

Haha no I didnt! And I didn't ask him for an autograph as I said I only asked him for a ball.

eyescreamcone

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Frank Lampard was caught live on sky drinking a bottle of heineken in the tunnel as he watched his teammates win the league...No uproar.

Or the Leinster team???? What, winning the HEINEKEN cup???

I agree that it would be preferable to not have any alcohol association with sport but lets not fool ourselves into thinking Darren is the big problem here

Lampard in the tunnel is not the same as Terry downing pints in the stand with the cup and his kit still on.

Also - I'm not a fan of drink companies sponsoring sports events at all.

It's not allowed in France - I remember Liverpool playing there a few years back and they had to take the Carlsberg logo off the shirts.
More of this please.

As for Clarke - I'm not a fan of his antics regarding the celebration on that day. And maybe if he had looked after his refueling habits over the years he might have been more successful.

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Frank Lampard was caught live on sky drinking a bottle of heineken in the tunnel as he watched his teammates win the league...No uproar.

Or the Leinster team???? What, winning the HEINEKEN cup???

I agree that it would be preferable to not have any alcohol association with sport but lets not fool ourselves into thinking Darren is the big problem here

Drinking != Downing in one.

I have no issue with them smoking or drinking.
I do have a problem with them effectively binge drinking in front of the worlds media though.
There is no reason to down a pint in one, its not like its more enjoyable than drinking it normally. People do it to show off or to get drunk faster, I dont think thats appropriate for a role-model to do under those circumstances.

PRAF

Aidric wrote: »

I never knew there were so many saints posting on the golf forum. Comforting to know.

I don't know Clarke personally, never met the bloke. I like his laid back approach and he is popular with fellow pros.

As for downing a pint in one, big deal. Given the huge emotions surrounding that week I can certainly forgive him for letting his guard down. If memory serves me correct he wasn't the only player/caddy to do it.

Woosnam was far worse if I remember correctly. He ended up spilling half of it. That's a worse sin IMO!

PARlance

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Lampard in the tunnel is not the same as Terry downing pints in the stand with the cup and his kit still on.

Also - I'm not a fan of drink companies sponsoring sports events at all.

It's not allowed in France - I remember Liverpool playing there a few years back and they had to take the Carlsberg logo off the shirts.
More of this please.

As for Clarke - I'm not a fan of his antics regarding the celebration on that day. And maybe if he had looked after his refueling habits over the years he might have been more successful.

Lampard had been playing in the game, he had just been substituted and was still in the kit, he is a place where the cameras picked him up!

You zoned in on Clarke, gave two examples that don't make any sense.
To use Leinster winning a competition as an argument against Clarke is ridiculous. They won both Heineken Cup and Magners League in recent years.

If your last memory of a drink sponsorship not being allowed in France harks back to Liverpool playing then I'd say you're not the biggest sports fan out there.

I'm assuming you've been keeping a close eye on Clarke's training regime over the years in order to be able to give him such advice!?

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

Drinking != Downing in one.

I have no issue with them smoking or drinking.
I do have a problem with them effectively binge drinking in front of the worlds media though.
There is no reason to down a pint in one, its not like its more enjoyable than drinking it normally. People do it to show off or to get drunk faster, I dont think thats appropriate for a role-model to do under those circumstances.

Effectively binge drinking != The World Health Organisation has defined binge drinking as drinking six or more standard drinks (about 3 pints of beer) during one drinking occasion.

Please don't come back and say that it was clear to all to see that he was on his way to a binge as it is clear to all to see that Lampard/footballers also are on their way to a binge.

How do you know how much he enjoyed it, I'd say he enjoyed that a lot more than having a sip of it.

I don't agree with drinking at sporting events, Clarke doesn't put himself up as a role model, he downed a pint on TV in the heat of the moment, big deal, he is not the big evil behind binge drinking in Ireland.....
Sure he's not even Iri.............

BigChap1759

PRAF wrote: »

Woosnam was far worse if I remember correctly. He ended up spilling half of it. That's a worse sin IMO!

I'm pretty sure IIRC that most of Woosie's came out through his nose........classy :pac:

actuallylike

PRAF wrote: »

Ah c'mon, what about Ryder Cup 2006 in the KClub. Would bring a tear to anyone's eye.

Not me either. The first hand reports I know of his antics with women throughout the years would make you cringe.

eyescreamcone

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Lampard had been playing in the game, he had just been substituted and was still in the kit, he is a place where the cameras picked him up!

You zoned in on Clarke, gave two examples that don't make any sense.
To use Leinster winning a competition as an argument against Clarke is ridiculous. They won both Heineken Cup and Magners League in recent years.

If your last memory of a drink sponsorship not being allowed in France harks back to Liverpool playing then I'd say you're not the biggest sports fan out there.

I'm assuming you've been keeping a close eye on Clarke's training regime over the years in order to be able to give him such advice!?

I don't think you understand me.
I'm against mixing drink and sports!!!

Whether Lampard, Brian O'Driscoll or Clarke are drinking during a presentation doesn't matter - it's always wrong and should be highlighted.

Clarke's "downing in one" effort is particularly cringeworthy for its showboating effect.

This is my opinion - you can have a different one if you like.
I won't cry.

As for me not being a big sports fan - how tall do I have to be?
I do have an interest in all sports though.

As for Clarke's training regime - he doesn't strike me as having a BMI between 20-25 does he now??
I wonder what his fat percentage is??
Guessing at greater than 20% (conservative guess that is - very conservative guess!)
Some athlete