No tv channels?

Andy454

I just turned on the telly, I have snow on all the tv stations - is me telly broke?

MiCr0

you're about 2 hours late

lisaj

Mine too. You'd think we would have heard something about this PJ

NIMAN

All joking aside, there are going to be many people who find this who are serious!!

_John C

It seems very unfair to us Irish people, giving us such short notice about this freesat thing!

glimmerman123

Andy454 wrote: »

I just turned on the telly, I have snow on all the tv stations - is me telly broke?

No if you were receiving RTE1 ,2,TV3, and TGH4 through an analogue aerial your screen would have gone blank this morning at 10.00 am as the analogue signal was switched off across the country. The above channels now broadcast in digital on a platform called Saorview and if you want to view them you will have to buy a Saorview box or an idtv with Saorview built into the TV. You will also need to buy a UHF aerial to pick up the digital signal.

Sponge Bob

Andy454 wrote: »

I just turned on the telly, I have snow on all the tv stations

You'd be the just sort of person Joe Duffy needs to talk to today.

Andy454

lisaj wrote: »

Mine too. You'd think we would have heard something about this PJ

is this what that hamster thing and mike murphy were on about?

If I climb up and put the rabbit ears on the roof do u think I'd get a signal there?

ronan45

Andy454 wrote: »

I just turned on the telly, I have snow on all the tv stations - is me telly broke?

"Facepalms"

Rtg78

Does old TV set and no saor view box = no tv license?

desbrook

glimmerman123 wrote: »

You will also need to buy a UHF aerial to pick up the digital signal.

First of all the OP was messing .Secondly the vast majority of the population recieving TV through an aerial do so via UHF . The vast majority therefore DO NOT need to do buy a new aerial or do anything with the existing one . The Saorview signal is generally stronger than the old one therefore even some VHF aerials are up to the job .

watty

Yes. only 13 years.

watty

Rtg78 wrote: »

Does old TV set and no saor view box = no tv license?

No.

desbrook

Rtg78 wrote: »

Does old TV set and no saor view box = no tv license?

No ...no more than TV with satellite dish for Freesat only and therefore no Irish channels would not qualify . Nice try though

Rtg78

desbrook wrote: »

No ...no more than TV with satellite dish for Freesat only and therefore no Irish channels would not qualify . Nice try though

Oh well God loves the tryer just hope the inspector will do too

topazkk

Sorry about the post hijack OP but Watty I'm wondering are the deflectors due to go off today as well? My mother has has got a UHF aerial pointed at one at the moment that I imagine could be used to receive her saorview if they'll disappear shortly. It's an old colour king but could save her €35 or thereabouts. Deflector in Dunmore Co Waterford.

JonathonS

Rtg78 wrote: »

Does old TV set and no saor view box = no tv license?

Broadcasting Act 2009, definition (my underline):

“television set” means any electronic apparatus capable of receiving
and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general
reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on
the use of anything else in conjunction with it) and any software or
assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus;

Speak Now

topazkk wrote: »

Sorry about the post hijack OP but Watty I'm wondering are the deflectors due to go off today as well? My mother has has got a UHF aerial pointed at one at the moment that I imagine could be used to receive her saorview if they'll disappear shortly. It's an old colour king but could save her €35 or thereabouts. Deflector in Dunmore Co Waterford.

Was wondering this, havent been home to check yet so curious to know did he switch off BBC/UTV and C4 at 10 a.m also.

desbrook

topazkk wrote: »

Sorry about the post hijack OP but Watty I'm wondering are the deflectors due to go off today as well? My mother has has got a UHF aerial pointed at one at the moment that I imagine could be used to receive her saorview if they'll disappear shortly. It's an old colour king but could save her €35 or thereabouts. Deflector in Dunmore Co Waterford.

As a Dub ..I'm ignorant about deflectors ..is it analogue or digital ?

Jenny_94

Thing about this switchover is that alot of people who have pay tv have spend 100s of yo yo on new saorview tvs and digital aerials not understanding that this switch off had no effect on them. Just look at forms like <snip>

Apogee

topazkk wrote: »

My mother has has got a UHF aerial pointed at one at the moment that I imagine could be used to receive her saorview if they'll disappear shortly. It's an old colour king but could save her €35 or thereabouts. Deflector in Dunmore Co Waterford.

The licences for the deflectors ends on Dec 31st.

The Westerner wrote: »

I sent an email to the DCENR enquiring if the UHF retransmission (deflector) sites would continue broadcasting after ASO on 24 October 2012.

The reply received said that Comreg have renewed 6 licenses for 2012 under S.I. 445 of 2009 so far and all would expire on 31 December this year.

So it would appear that some UHF analogue transmissions may continue for a while after ASO. Wondering will local politicans looking for votes agitate for deflectors to stay on the air in 2013 in their constituencies?

The Cush

topazkk wrote: »

I'm wondering are the deflectors due to go off today as well?

Deflectors can continue until the end of Dec and licences will not be renewed.

The Cush

desbrook wrote: »

As a Dub ..I'm ignorant about deflectors ..is it analogue or digital ?

Analogue.

JustAddWater

Andy454 wrote: »

I have snow on all the tv stations

Don't worry, this is just a special Christmas weather forecast

jmcc

Andy454 wrote: »

I just turned on the telly, I have snow on all the tv stations - is me telly broke?

No. It is just RTE's Winter schedule.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

topazkk wrote: »

Sorry about the post hijack OP but Watty I'm wondering are the deflectors due to go off today as well? My mother has has got a UHF aerial pointed at one at the moment that I imagine could be used to receive her saorview if they'll disappear shortly. It's an old colour king but could save her €35 or thereabouts. Deflector in Dunmore Co Waterford.

Tony Power's service? The UHF antenna might be reusable (not sure of the frequencies that the Dunmore system used) but I think that the main Digital TV broadcaster for Waterford and across the river is on Gallows Hill. The map from Watty's site:
http://maps.techtir.com/dtt-south-east.htm

Regards...jmcc

lucernarian

JonathonS wrote: »

Broadcasting Act 2009, definition (my underline):

“television set” means any electronic apparatus capable of receiving
and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general
reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on
the use of anything else in conjunction with it) and any software or
assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus;

That's a stupid definition. I need a USB tuner to watch Saorview, much like my CRT TV needs a Saorview receiver to receive it. A DVB-T tuner is much cheaper than most Saorview-approved receivers too. With that kind of definition, wouldn't all PCs with USB ports and adequate processing power also be subject to a TV license?

desbrook

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

That's a stupid definition. I need a USB tuner to watch Saorview, much like my CRT TV needs a Saorview receiver to receive it. A DVB-T tuner is much cheaper than most Saorview-approved receivers too. With that kind of definition, wouldn't all PCs with USB ports and adequate processing power also be subject to a TV license?

Maybe it's not such a stupid definition after all! You can watch tv on a pc so it's rather clever imho

desbrook

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

That's a stupid definition. I need a USB tuner to watch Saorview, much like my CRT TV needs a Saorview receiver to receive it. A DVB-T tuner is much cheaper than most Saorview-approved receivers too. With that kind of definition, wouldn't all PCs with USB ports and adequate processing power also be subject to a TV license?

Maybe it's not such a stupid definition after all! You can watch tv on a pc so it's rather clever imho

ZeRoY

Rtg78 wrote: »

Does old TV set and no saor view box = no tv license?

Interesting ... i really dont know. The TV License is for owning a TV set but now that TV set is incapable to received any broadcast within Ireland... I would say no license required.

EDit:

JonathonS wrote: »

whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on
the use of anything else in conjunction with it

mmm ok, unfair but then yeah TV license for a TV set analog.

Quackster

I don't see how an analogue TV is any different than a computer monitor now and you don't need a TV licence for a monitor unless it's connected to a set-top box or PC with an appropriate TV card..

lucernarian

desbrook wrote: »

Maybe it's not such a stupid definition after all! You can watch tv on a pc so it's rather clever imho

Internet TV has been exempted in the same act so that's not an issue. The definition above could cover PCs etc. even if they had no internet access!

JonathonS

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

With that kind of definition, wouldn't all PCs with USB ports and adequate processing power also be subject to a TV license?

There are some outs here:

"TELEVISION LICENCE (EXEMPTION OF CLASSES OF TELEVISION SET) ORDER 2009"

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/NR/rdonlyres/83B1ECC5-7EDB-4E1B-AF6D-9AD3155684D3/0/SI319of2009.pdf

watty

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

That's a stupid definition. I need a USB tuner to watch Saorview, much like my CRT TV needs a Saorview receiver to receive it. A DVB-T tuner is much cheaper than most Saorview-approved receivers too. With that kind of definition, wouldn't all PCs with USB ports and adequate processing power also be subject to a TV license?

No. Even old 405 TVs still need a TV licence. It's a receiver is the criterion. The existanceof transmissions is NOT the criterion.

So A PC only counts if it has a tuner card or USB stick, even if only analogue.

watty

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Internet TV has been exempted in the same act so that's not an issue. The definition above could cover PCs etc. even if they had no internet access!

WEB TV, but not true IPTV used to deliver equivalent to Cable or Broadcast (i.e. a Magnet Set box or Magnet TV subscription on a PC).

lucernarian

watty wrote: »

WEB TV, but not true IPTV used to deliver equivalent to Cable or Broadcast (i.e. a Magnet Set box or Magnet TV subscription on a PC).

A bit pedantic there but I did indeed mean PCs etc with internet access possibly needing a licence. You can't watch "web TV" without an IP connection. Such an internet connection would also have the capability to allow a subscription to Magnet's TV service by having an internet connection in the first place. Is this idea of "capability to sign up to Magnet's TV service" (by having any kind of speedy broadband service) included under such ambiguous terminology?

Solair

A few points:

1 - A saorview box is relatively cheap (not hundreds of €) - can be picked up for around €50 if you shop around.

2 - There is no such thing as a 'digital aerial'. In the majority of cases, your existing aerial should work with digital tv (saorview). All that's changed is the way the signal's encoded. It's most likely still coming from the same transmission site.

3 - All new TVs sold in the last few years can tune into saorview without any box.

4 - *ALL* TVs can be tuned into saorview by plugging in a simple, cheap, set top box.

Plug scart lead from box into your telly, plug your aerial lead into your box.. and voila! you have digital TV. There are some instances where your existing antenna might not work (like if it were pointing at a transposer that has been switched off and not replaced), but the majority of people should have no issues.

5 - If you are watching TV on cable (including analogue cable), MMDS, Sky etc nothing changes at all.

6 - If you haven't noticed that analogue terrestrial TV was due to be switched off forever today, were you living under a rock or something? RTE have been testing and rolling this out since 1998 !! So, you only had 14 years notice.

winston_1

Jenny_94 wrote: »

Thing about this switchover is that alot of people who have pay tv have spend 100s of yo yo on new saorview tvs and digital aerials not understanding that this switch off had no effect on them. Just look at forms like <snip>

But there is no such thing as a digital aerial.

maxg

watty wrote: »

No. Even old 405 TVs still need a TV licence. It's a receiver is the criterion. The existanceof transmissions is NOT the criterion.

The criterion is "capable of receiving and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general reception".
Do you know a analog television broadcasting for genereral reception from today on?

Bruthal

maxg wrote: »

The criterion is "capable of receiving and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general reception".
Do you know a analog television broadcasting for genereral reception from today on?

The real criterion is, that the government encompass as many as possible into the net, and so they will include every aspect of a tv as liable, even though now, analogue tv`s are little more than monitors here now.

The way people describe the criterion as the receiver and not the existence of broadcasts it can tune, is another demonstration of the fact that the tv really has little to do with liability, they just want everyone in the country liable, and up to now, associating the fee with a tv set was the all encompassing way to do that.

wil

rip

winston_1

Can you get one with English spelling. ANALOGUE.

watty

Maybe that's for people working in the Chip Shop at Raheen.

watty

maxg wrote: »

The criterion is "capable of receiving and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general reception".
Do you know a analog television broadcasting for genereral reception from today on?

There has not been 405 TV since 1985. It's been tested in court. In Ireland you need a licence if you have a 405 line only TV. Even if it's in a museum!

Jerichoholic

My mother spent a fortune on 2 Alma boxes that a guy hooked up to her Sat dish(sky) for the uk channels and to the arial for the irish digitals. The irish channels dissappeared once the changeover happened. Forgive my ignorance please, but anyone know why or what I could do to help? In Mullingar area. Cheers.

The Cush

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance please, but anyone know why or what I could do to help? In Mullingar area. Cheers.

Did she have all 8 Saorview channels before the 4 analogue channels were switched off yesterday e.g. 3e, RTÉ News Now?

How is the receiver connected to the TV?

Does she have to switch between the satellite channels and the Saorview channels with a button on the remote control? Was she only watching the analogue channels on the TV before they were switched off yesterday and the sat channels on the receiver?

Can you do a Saorview retune/scan, the manual should describe how this is done

wil

Jerichoholic wrote: »

....., but anyone know why or what I could do to help? In Mullingar area. Cheers.

Possiblility you were getting signal from Mt Leinster on ch 45 now changed to 23.
Try rescanning.

wil

winston_1 wrote: »

Can you get one with English spelling. ANALOGUE.

Apologies to the guys working down Slatterys chippy who aren't Elvis but this is all thats left in the catalog.
Suspect it comes with a "Kick Meue" sticker.

The Cush

wil wrote: »

Possiblility you were getting signal from Mt Leinster on ch 45 now changed to 23.
Try rescanning.

Ch45 is still on, until Nov 7th.

Jerichoholic

The Cush wrote: »

Did she have all 8 Saorview channels before the 4 analogue channels were switched off yesterday e.g. 3e, RTÉ News Now?

How is the receiver connected to the TV?

Does she have to switch between the satellite channels and the Saorview channels with a button on the remote control? Was she only watching the analogue channels on the TV before they were switched off yesterday and the sat channels on the receiver?

Can you do a Saorview retune/scan, the manual should describe how this is done

Yeah she had all 8 channels, reciever is connected by scart. There's a an "all channels" "Satellite" and "Eurobird" swith on the remote. They all went off yesterday. I'll try a rescan later on. Thanks.

wil

The Cush wrote: »

Ch45 is still on, until Nov 7th.

More fool me for believing the Saorview site.