Boards.ie P4P Rankings

Henno30

Let's do one. One man one vote.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Vitali Klitschko
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Timothy Bradley

Jayob10

1. Floyd
2. Maravilla
3. Pacman
4. Ward
5. Wlad
6. Donaire
7. JMM
8. Bradley
9. Vitali
10. Canelo

corny

1. Andre Ward
2. Floyd (if he still has it i'd have him number 1 but.....)
3. Guillermo Rigondeaux (had Donaire here but since i think Rigo would kill him...)
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Vitali Klitschko (same as Floyd if he still had it....)
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Timothy Bradley

el flaco

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Vitali Klitschko
8. Carl Froch
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Juan Manuel Marquez

Dick phelan

1. Floyd Mayweather jr
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Nonito Donaire
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Timothy Bradley
10. Roman Gonzalez

walshb

1. Andre Ward
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Yuriorkis Gamboa
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Saul Alvarez
10. JMM

Maravilla33

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. Wlad
6. Marquez
7. Pacquiao
8. Bradley
9. Canelo
10. Froch

I know these lists are subjective but Rigondeaux who has had 11 fights and fought nobody of note bar Cordoba at 3 is an odd one. Especially if its because he would "kill" Donaire who has proven himself against many of the best around. Fair enough if its based on talent and potential alone but I'd have thought someone would have had to achieved a bit more to be rated the 3rd best boxer in the world.

Dick phelan

walshb wrote: »

1. Andre Ward
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Yuriorkis Gamboa
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Wladamir Klitschko
9. Saul Alvarez
10. JMM

Just wondering why you have Ward ahead of Mayweather cos i have not seen decline in floyd like i have in Manny Pac. I no Ward is brillent hence why i have him at 2 but i dont see how he can be ahead of floyd

xtal191

1. Ward
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Wlad
5. Pac
6. Donaire
7. JMM
8. Canelo
9. Bradley
10. Vitali

Dick phelan

How come nobody has Roman Gonzalez on their list i mean 33-0 with 28 Ko a two weight world champion and only 25 i reckon the guy would be getting way more credit if he fought at a bigger weight

walshb

Dick phelan wrote: »

Just wondering why you have Ward ahead of Mayweather cos i have not seen decline in floyd like i have in Manny Pac. I no Ward is brillent hence why i have him at 2 but i dont see how he can be ahead of floyd

It's almost a toss up. I think Ward is every bit as complete a fighter. He has also dominated better opposition recently, a deal better too.

Underground

I understand Ward is a top, top fighter but i think he is being slightly overrated here(being pretty much top 2 in everyone's P4P).

At this stage I'd like to see him fight away from home and definitely need to see him move up to LHW. His last fight vs Dawson would have been much more interesting had it been at 175 imo.

Henno30

Canelo is a guy that I'd have trouble putting on the list. His resume is really weak by P4P standards. A lot of journeymen, a decrepit Shane Mosley, and a blown up Junior Welterweight in Lopez. Obviously he looks good doing it but so would any of the top 20-30 boxers in the world.

Henno30

Underground wrote: »

I understand Ward is a top, top fighter but i think he is being slightly overrated here(being pretty much top 2 in everyone's P4P).

At this stage I'd like to see him fight away from home and definitely need to see him move up to LHW. His last fight vs Dawson would have been much more interesting had it been at 175 imo.

Would agree that it would have been somewhat different with Dawson at 175, but to be honest Ward just looks harder to beat than anyone in the world right now apart from Floyd. His clearout of the SMW division was hugely impressive, and even taking the weight factor into account, he still comprehensively dismantled the best light heavyweight in the world in Chad Dawson. Record aside, I think he looks more rounded and complete as a fighter than guys like Martinez and Donaire, even if those guys are very exciting in their own right.

Maravilla33

Henno30 wrote: »

Canelo is a guy that I'd have trouble putting on the list. His resume is really weak by P4P standards. A lot of journeymen, a decrepit Shane Mosley, and a blown up Junior Welterweight in Lopez. Obviously he looks good doing it but so would any of the top 20-30 boxers in the world.

I think there are 8-9 names that are almost automatic choices. After that it is all up in the air and could make a case for a few. I struggled with mine and opted for Canelo and Froch.

Vitali is past it and bores me to tears lately but he prob is more deserving than Canelo. Then there's super talented guys like Broner, Rigondeaux and Gamboa who could get in on ability alone but aren't active enough or don't have the names on their record to be included for me.

supersean1999

ill think about it for the evening and report at a later stage haha

endswell

1. Andre Ward
2. Sergio Martinez
3. Floyd Mayweather (4 fights in 4 years, not givin 1)
4. Wladimir Klitschko
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Pacquiao / JMM
8. Carl Froch
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Saul Alvarez

corny

Maravilla33 wrote: »

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. Wlad
6. Marquez
7. Pacquiao
8. Bradley
9. Canelo
10. Froch

I know these lists are subjective but Rigondeaux who has had 11 fights and fought nobody of note bar Cordoba at 3 is an odd one. Especially if its because he would "kill" Donaire who has proven himself against many of the best around. Fair enough if its based on talent and potential alone but I'd have thought someone would have had to achieved a bit more to be rated the 3rd best boxer in the world.

Jesus lighten up. Its a bit of fun.

I'm well aware of the records.

Maravilla33

corny wrote: »

Jesus lighten up. Its a bit of fun.

I'm well aware of the records.

Jesus and here was me trying to start a bit of debate on a forum. What was I thinking... :rolleyes:

walshb

I too thought the Rigo inclusion was a bit weak, and the reasoning for it. I have seen nothing from Rigo to suggest a killing of Donaire. Anyway, as mentioned, it's only a debate. Not everyone's list will match. I see my list being the only one with an inactive Gamboa on it.

efb

Ooh got to get my thinking (analytical) hat on- will revert!

Henno30

Have to agree with others here on the Rigo argument. He is obviously a technically outstanding fighter, but I couldn't have him on the list on the basis of what he's done in the professional game to date.

It's tough for him in many ways, everyone who follows boxing recognises his talent, but that same talent in the absence of name recognition is going to make it difficult for him to get the shots he's probably worthy of in terms of his ability.

I'm not sure Canelo has a much stronger claim to a top ten P4P place to be honest. He's got plenty of exposure but he hasn't fought one top guy or taken one big risk yet.

For the people who have Froch ahead of either Cotto or Bradley, what are your arguments for it?

endswell

Henno30 wrote: »

For the people who have Froch ahead of either Cotto or Bradley, what are your arguments for it?

Froch is less afraid of defeat + takes more risks, more balls basically. better boxer? possibly not but what he brings to the ring outweighs that, imo

endswell

endswell wrote: »

Froch is less afraid of defeat + takes more risks, more balls basically. better boxer? possibly not but what he brings to the ring outweighs that, imo

good pt re canelo, yea cotto or bradley ahead of him

gene_tunney

Carl Froch top 10 P4P....

Maravilla33

Henno30 wrote: »

I'm not sure Canelo has a much stronger claim to a top ten P4P place to be honest. He's got plenty of exposure but he hasn't fought one top guy or taken one big risk yet.

For the people who have Froch ahead of either Cotto or Bradley, what are your arguments for it?

I forgot about Cotto to be honest. I'd have him in my top 10 at the expense of Canelo. I originally had Canelo 9 and Froch 10 but your argument against Canelo is pretty valid. I think coming 2nd in Super 6 and demolishing Bute who was in top 10 (I think?) is enough to have him scrape in at 10.

endswell

gene_tunney wrote: »

Carl Froch top 10 P4P....

sound

el flaco

Henno30 wrote: »

For the people who have Froch ahead of either Cotto or Bradley, what are your arguments for it?

I put Froch ahead of Cotto on the basis of his progression in the Super Six and the ease with which he beat Bute.

Cotto is an excellent boxer but in his last 5 fights he was comprehensively beaten by Pacquiao, had two fairly handy fights, then outclassed Margarito and was beaten by Mayweather (albeit putting in a good effort). Assuming he gets into big fights after Trout he can definitely climb the rankings again.

I think Bradley is OK but not nearly as good as his belt suggests. He's beaten another good but not great boxer in Alexander, a blown-up and old super featherweight in Casamayor and if the correct decision was made in the Pacquiao fight he wouldn't even be in the conversation.

Jayob10

This might be an idea for a permanent thread, come to a general consensus on our very own Boards.ie P4P list.

Makes changes to it in the course of the coming years, and it will provoke some decent and ongoing debate in here.

Might attract in a few new posters aswell

walshb

I have no beef with Froch in the mix, and he would deserve to be there every bit as much as Cotto or JMM.

Henno30

Jayob10 wrote: »

This might be an idea for a permanent thread, come to a general consensus on our very own Boards.ie P4P list.

Makes changes to it in the course of the coming years, and it will provoke some decent and ongoing debate in here.

Might attract in a few new posters aswell

That was my evil plan all along.

magma69

Mayweather
Pac
Marquez
Ward
Wlad
Martinez
Donaire
Vitali
Bradley
Gamboa/Froch

unknown13

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Vitali Klitschko
8. Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Miguel Cotto
10 Carl Froch

Daroxtar

Mods, can you vote for more than 1 option in a poll? if so then why not just attach a poll with the names already given in the thread so far and let everyone vote for 3 fighters?

A poll where you can only vote for 1 person might do too, but it would probably end up with about 4 names getting votes and everyone else getting nothing. Anyway...just a thought

endswell

Daroxtar wrote: »

Mods, can you vote for more than 1 option in a poll? if so then why not just attach a poll with the names already given in the thread so far and let everyone vote for 3 fighters?

A poll where you can only vote for 1 person might do too, but it would probably end up with about 4 names getting votes and everyone else getting nothing. Anyway...just a thought

based on prev it would work out as this

mayweather
martinez/ward
pacquiao
donaire
rigo

if a 1-10 could be done it would be class

Henno30

Or...you could just count the votes

barney4001

1. Andre Ward
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Guillermo Rigondeaux
6. Yuriorkis Gamboa
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Roman Gonzalez
9. Saul Alvarez
10. JMM

Henno30

OVERALL RANKINGS TO DATE

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Guillermo Rigondeaux

efb

1. PBF
2. Martinez
3. Paq
4. Ward
5. W. Klitch

endswell

Henno30 wrote: »

OVERALL RANKINGS TO DATE

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Guillermo Rigondeaux

how did u calculate that?

Henno30

endswell wrote: »

how did u calculate that?

10 points for a No.1 spot, 9 points for a No.2 etc.

T-K-O

Henno30 wrote: »

OVERALL RANKINGS TO DATE

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Guillermo Rigondeaux

Is that a joke

endswell

T-K-O wrote: »

Is that a joke

read the thread it has been discussed

unknown13

Henno30 wrote: »

OVERALL RANKINGS TO DATE

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Guillermo Rigondeaux

Who the hell has he beaten to warrant that position, let alone fought. He has fought no one of decent caliber and he wouldn't make most people's top 20 let alone top 10.

Maravilla33

Henno30 wrote: »

OVERALL RANKINGS TO DATE

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Guillermo Rigondeaux

Not bad. I think Mannys slightly too high for me but cant really complain. Rigondeaux should be no where near the list but other than that its solid.

Henno are you gonna poll this every so often and see how the list changes?

Henno30

Maravilla33 wrote: »

Not bad. I think Mannys slightly too high for me but cant really complain. Rigondeaux should be no where near the list but other than that its solid.

Henno are you gonna poll this every so often and see how the list changes?

I think the mods should run it and make it an 'official' boards.ie P4P ranking. Voting windows should be opened for two weeks, every three months at the most, and every six months at the least.

Henno30

Time we another another round of this. I'll tally all votes cast between now and midnight next Sunday.

My contribution:

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Abner Mares
10. Lucas Matthysse

gene_tunney

gene_tunney wrote: »

Carl Froch top 10 P4P....

Froch in quite a few P4P lists. Maravilla would you still have him in yours despite being beaten from pillar to post for 8 rounds by domestic level Groves?

Most people don't know **** about boxing.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Froch in quite a few P4P lists. Maravilla would you still have him in yours despite being beaten from pillar to post for 8 rounds by domestic level Groves?

Most people don't know **** about boxing.

Over exaggerating there, gene. As usual. Groves was winning and looking good, but it was still quite competitive.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

Over exaggerating there, gene. As usual. Groves was winning and looking good, but it was still quite competitive.

I think Froch wins the rematch, if it happens. It was not a competitive fight until the 6th round or so.

EDIT: actually I think the 5th was the first round that was even competitive. Not to say that Froch won it.

el flaco

gene_tunney wrote: »

Froch in quite a few P4P lists. Maravilla would you still have him in yours despite being beaten from pillar to post for 8 rounds by domestic level Groves?

Most people don't know **** about boxing.

Seriously man, put together a P4P list.