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Opinion on this unearthed block please
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21-10-2012 12:05pm#1
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Just one block, yes I'm sorry, I took them with a phone and am not computer literate enough to figure out how to put them properly in my message - apologies. But your theory is a possibility, I must have a closer look and see if there's any rust in the holes, if that would be an indicator. It just seemed so random where he found it. Thanks.
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baaba maal wrote: »Paddysnapperseems to know his terminology better than me- so I'd go with his term!
I would also be really pleased to find a piece of the "story" of your field if I were you. Be they long-dead relatives or whoever, somebody shaped that piece for a specific purpose and it gradually became forgotten until you re-found it. If I were you, I would be very curious to know if there is any more material of interest from the same area.
I definitely intend to, as soon as I get opportunity, I can't wait to find out more. I've done some random digs around the field before we found this stone and just came across lots of bits of broken clay pipes, also bits of broken pottery, not ancient pieces, because you can see the design very clearly on it, maybe 100-200yrs old I'd guess. I was told that sometimes domestic rubbish would be scattered in fields, so I'm guessing that's why we have bits of pottery around the place.
There's also some earthworks on the land which could be from earlier farming, we're not sure. There's a small mound for example, not very raised up, quite low-lying, I'm estimating about 500 sq ft is the area on top, but with a very clear ditch dug round its base, now overgrown with grass of course, but still very clearly defined as some sort of boundary at its base.
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Below some images of the pottery pieces I found while digging a vegetable garden in the field behind our house. Apologies for poor quality, is it enough to gain an idea of date of these pieces, I'm guessing 19th century, but only guessing. The second image is only a closer image of those pieces with designs on them, if these help identify the period:
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Mound images follow. As you'll see, my photography skills are non-existent, but I tried to get an image of the mound from a distance - it's not very high as you can see, but in other shots I tried to get a clear image of this ditch around its base. I haven't a clue - maybe it's only an animal path or something, in which case apologies for my ignorance, but the ditch does circle the base of the mound:
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looks like fairly modern bits of patterned plates to my untrained eye..and what looks like a pipe stem maybe..the orange and dark brown piece is identical to a piece i picked up recently field walking here in wicklow..i had someone take a look at it..their tip was when pottery is glazed both sides its indicitive of being fairly modern..have you used google earth to see your feature from above?might just show up better..morebabies wrote: »Below some images of the pottery pieces I found while digging a vegetable garden in the field behind our house. Apologies for poor quality, is it enough to gain an idea of date of these pieces, I'm guessing 19th century, but only guessing. The second image is only a closer image of those pieces with designs on them, if these help identify the period:0 -
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Howya Morebabies,
My first impression when i saw the large block was that it is a spud stone. Have found them before near gates or entry points to farmesteads. They are difficult to date without knowing where they were found.
The pottery looks to be all of ninteenth century or later date. Generally on digs you collect it to indicate that a site or layers on a site are of relativley modern date. The majority of it looks to be slipware (whitish in the middle with design on the outside). Archaeologists also call this stuff grannyware 'cos it looks like the sort of pottery your granny might have had.
The fragment with the dark brown/black glaze and orange fabric (middle bit) is probably blackware. It is of 18-19th century date. This was the type of pottery used by the common chap.
The white tube thing is a clay pipe stem used to smoke tobacco. By the size of it (thickness of walls; width of bore) I'd reckon its 19th century in date. Earlier pipe stems were a lot smaller because both tobacco and meerschaum (the type of clay used to make the pipe) were a lot more expensive in the preceeding centuries.
Don't know about the mound thingie, its hard to tell from the pics. You could maybe use the following websites to see if you can identify the shape of it......
http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/ (shows known archaological sites)
http://www.bing.com/maps/ (has very pretty aerial pictures)
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/ (Has old and new maps and aerial photos)
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Howya Morebabies,
My first impression when i saw the large block was that it is a spud stone. Have found them before near gates or entry points to farmesteads. They are difficult to date without knowing where they were found.
The pottery looks to be all of ninteenth century or later date. Generally on digs you collect it to indicate that a site or layers on a site are of relativley modern date. The majority of it looks to be slipware (whitish in the middle with design on the outside). Archaeologists also call this stuff grannyware 'cos it looks like the sort of pottery your granny might have had.
The fragment with the dark brown/black glaze and orange fabric (middle bit) is probably blackware. It is of 18-19th century date. This was the type of pottery used by the common chap.
The white tube thing is a clay pipe stem used to smoke tobacco. By the size of it (thickness of walls; width of bore) I'd reckon its 19th century in date. Earlier pipe stems were a lot smaller because both tobacco and meerschaum (the type of clay used to make the pipe) were a lot more expensive in the preceeding centuries.
Don't know about the mound thingie, its hard to tell from the pics. You could maybe use the following websites to see if you can identify the shape of it......
http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/ (shows known archaological sites)
http://www.bing.com/maps/ (has very pretty aerial pictures)
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/ (Has old and new maps and aerial photos)
Thank you SO much for going to all that trouble. I know they're not historically significant or anything, but just to be able to have a better idea about what they are, how old, etc. is all I wanted - now I can pretend to sound really knowledgeable to my highly inquisitive children. Much much appreciated.0 -
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blackware..thats what 'eminent'friend called my piece..it must be really widespread ?was it from plates or cups or both?the piece i found has the same 'rib' as morebabies piece..also would spud holes be that deep?Howya Morebabies,
My first impression when i saw the large block was that it is a spud stone. Have found them before near gates or entry points to farmesteads. They are difficult to date without knowing where they were found.
The pottery looks to be all of ninteenth century or later date. Generally on digs you collect it to indicate that a site or layers on a site are of relativley modern date. The majority of it looks to be slipware (whitish in the middle with design on the outside). Archaeologists also call this stuff grannyware 'cos it looks like the sort of pottery your granny might have had.
The fragment with the dark brown/black glaze and orange fabric (middle bit) is probably blackware. It is of 18-19th century date. This was the type of pottery used by the common chap.
The white tube thing is a clay pipe stem used to smoke tobacco. By the size of it (thickness of walls; width of bore) I'd reckon its 19th century in date. Earlier pipe stems were a lot smaller because both tobacco and meerschaum (the type of clay used to make the pipe) were a lot more expensive in the preceeding centuries.
Don't know about the mound thingie, its hard to tell from the pics. You could maybe use the following websites to see if you can identify the shape of it......
http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/ (shows known archaological sites)
http://www.bing.com/maps/ (has very pretty aerial pictures)
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/ (Has old and new maps and aerial photos)0 -
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