The Secrets, Chastisement, and Truimph ( Pt 1 of 2 )

Onesimus

I am wondering if anyone here has bought this book and have read it? Would you like to share your thoughts on it? I am hoping to buy it soon. This video is about how we live in the last times and how we are living in the last times and days. I would invite you to to take a look at it and let me know your thoughts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ooySXyemSs

lmaopml

Onesimus wrote: »

I am wondering if anyone here has bought this book and have read it? Would you like to share your thoughts on it? I am hoping to buy it soon. This video is about how we live in the last times and how we are living in the last times and days. I would invite you to to take a look at it and let me know your thoughts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ooySXyemSs

I think every generation thought they lived in the last times, and forgot that they have been told quite distinctly that they don't know anything about it, neither can they change anything by thinking that proclaiming a knowledge of 'last times', some kind of 'revelation' helps better than something else that underscores faith - just like the Pope mentions - living for Christ right now when it matters most.
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I think that living the Gospel, not being overly pious or overly knowledgeable, or overly wise, or dwelling on a so called prophet, but just living it helps more....

There is a place for personal revelation, but as soon as a person makes it 'Gospel' and it ignites separatism, than I would wonder at it's source..

...and the good that could come out of it.

All these vids seem to incorporate a mishmash of Garabandal which is NOT recognised by the Church at all, but yet there are people who are seeking the 'end' of things looking at these prophesies, mixing Fatima, with any kind of seer and making one and one equal five, instead of getting up and doing Christs actual work in the world - nay sayers - doomsday'ers.. who want to see the end quicker, right now for their own gratification -

Yet, he asks us not to seek 'gratification' ?

The simple truth is that 'nobody' knows....nobody knows when they are first born and see the great blue sky, or discover the world beyond the womb, and the first glimpse of any 'light' at all, feel coldness and warmth, love and the touch of love.....and how a child sees this beautiful world with new eyes....

... and nobody knows when they will rest beneath the great blue sky either, and that is what the Gospels proclaims, to be waiting, always know yourself, always be a soldier of Christ in 'Love'!

Yes, that Christ will come - but not because we decided to reduce him to some kind of soothsayer doomsday merchant with an opinion that left a hint here and there for somebody to figure out or listening to every person and think that it gave us knowledge of that time...or this time - listen to HIM first, and what he actually 'said'!

Like he says, he will come when we least expect it - the same way for all the generations that have passed too, that thought they should be graced, and that the cup was filling over - he already came for them when they least expected it, at that hour when they passed he came...

Who do we celebrate Mass with? if not them, those who have gone before? It's the great liturgy, in the last book of the bible, with the Lamb who unites us in that moment. Revelations has been totally twisted, but it's necessarily there.

Onesimus

ummm Lmao. This guys book has a Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat. I'm not going to spend my time here ''convincing'' you of the messages so I'll leave it at that but thanks for your reply.

Noel Dempseys Den

I used to take Brian Cleeve, who was a well known Catholic mystic, seriously until he made the mistake that so many prophets of doom make and put a date on the whole thing. The world as we know it was to end before 1992. It didn't and would recommend anyone who is convinced that God is about to lay into us sinners with a heavy hand, unrestrained by the BVM to seriously cop themselves on and get on with life in as good a way as we can.

We are explicitly told several times in the NT that we do not know the time or the place.

JimiTime

Noel Dempseys Den wrote: »

I used to take Brian Cleeve, who was a well known Catholic mystic, seriously until he made the mistake that so many prophets of doom make and put a date on the whole thing. The world as we know it was to end before 1992. It didn't and would recommend anyone who is convinced that God is about to lay into us sinners with a heavy hand, unrestrained by the BVM to seriously cop themselves on and get on with life in as good a way as we can.

We are explicitly told several times in the NT that we do not know the time or the place.

I'm no prophet, but I'm pretty sure the world referred to is Earth

Noel Dempseys Den

JimiTime wrote: »

I'm no prophet, but I'm pretty sure the world referred to is Earth

Really, I thought it meant the planet Zog :rolleyes:

Onesimus

Noel Dempseys Den wrote: »

I used to take Brian Cleeve, who was a well known Catholic mystic, seriously until he made the mistake that so many prophets of doom make and put a date on the whole thing. The world as we know it was to end before 1992. It didn't and would recommend anyone who is convinced that God is about to lay into us sinners with a heavy hand, unrestrained by the BVM to seriously cop themselves on and get on with life in as good a way as we can.

We are explicitly told several times in the NT that we do not know the time or the place.

Noel, your right, but there is a distinction between the ''last times'' and the end of the world. The last times is not the end of the world.

As for the Doomsday stuff, I agree I do that Jesus does not always approach with a heavy hand but that authentic revelations display love and mercy and encourage us to live our Faith. But there do be messages of warnings like that of Fatima in which we are warned of Gods justice coming upon us and that is an approved apparition of the Church. Gods severity is just as great as his mercy and we should not ignore that and bury our head in the sands.

as for dates and times, that is true for false prophets and seers who give a date and a time, but not for authentic ones who already affirm what you have written about not knowing the day nor the time of Our Lords seconding coming. But Our Lords second coming has nothing to do with last times. I would encourage you to read this mans book with me and many others who have already discussed that topic of the last times over and over again.

But if not then thats ok.

God bless.

totus tuus

@ lmaopml tbh the Vatican hasn't approved or disapproved Garabandal as they are waiting to see if the prophecy that Joey Lomangino's sight will be restored will happen - I think he's in his eighties.

Joey Lomangino once visited St. Padre Pio who restored his sense of smell, and asked him if Our Lady was appearing in Garabandal, and he replied that she is.

Onesimus

True, just because an Apparition like Garabandal or Medjugorje has not yet been approved does not mean the Church is hostile towards such prophetical visions. Nor does it give us a licence to be. The Church does not require us even to believe in Fatima which is approved. So approved or not people just always look for an excuse one way or another not to assent to apparitions that have been studied by doctors in theology, priests, bishops and Cardinals.

TT its not just Joeys sight they ( the Church ) are waiting for to happen, but the warning, which ( when the time is right ) visionary of Garabandal Conchita is to reveal/announce the date of to the world something like 8 days before it happens.

georgieporgy

totus tuus wrote: »

@ lmaopml tbh the Vatican hasn't approved or disapproved Garabandal as they are waiting to see if the prophecy that Joey Lomangino's sight will be restored will happen - I think he's in his eighties.

Joey Lomangino once visited St. Padre Pio who restored his sense of smell, and asked him if Our Lady was appearing in Garabandal, and he replied that she is.

please clarify who asked whom

philologos

I find any theology that claims that these are the last days moreso than any other days to be flawed. This isn't the greatest confrontation that the Gospel has ever faced. Do you think that the Romans taught people about Jesus when they were viciously persecuting the Gospel?

The tribulation that Jesus speaks about in Mark 13, and Matthew 24 has been happening for about 2,000 years. Jesus will return, but there is no indication that He is going to return in our lifetime. I don't trust the non-Biblical content of visions too much either.

Noel Dempseys Den

philologos wrote: »

I find any theology that claims that these are the last days moreso than any other days to be flawed. This isn't the greatest confrontation that the Gospel has ever faced. Do you think that the Romans taught people about Jesus when they were viciously persecuting the Gospel?

The tribulation that Jesus speaks about in Mark 13, and Matthew 24 has been happening for about 2,000 years. Jesus will return, but there is no indication that He is going to return in our lifetime. I don't trust the non-Biblical content of visions too much either.

Basing faith on visions outside the Gospel is a very precarious thing at best and frankly dangerous at worst. I would say to traditional Catholics who place great store in these things to always test what is said with the Gospels. The power of suggestion and auto-hypnosis can account for much of these and in particular, La Salette and Garadandal, which have similar messages, have not been approved by Rome. No Catholic can be obliged to believe in any private revelation either, even if approved of by Rome.

totus tuus

georgieporgy wrote: »

please clarify who asked whom

Sorry, Joey asked Padre Pio if our Lady was appearing in Garabandal and the Padre replied that she is/was!

Onesimus

totus tuus wrote: »

Sorry, Joey asked Padre Pio if our Lady was appearing in Garabandal and the Padre replied that she is/was!

I got a pair of Garabandal Rosary given to me by Joey. On the Hail Holy Queen medal is a piece of Conchitas Missal which Our Lady Kissed during one of the apparitions.

totus tuus

What a wonderful treasure Onesimus!