Top Spanish cop lays out plan to prevent recording and circulation of police actions.

Run_to_da_hills

In a nutshell Spanish cops are corrupt and violent bast*ards.

If Spanish cops can get away with invoking this type of fascism to cover up any evidence of their brutality how long will it be before other countries in Europe follow suit?

The director general of police, Ignacio Cosidó, announced on Thursday that the authorities are studying the possibility that the next update to the Public Security Law could include an article prohibiting the recording, processing or circulation on the internet of police officers performing their duties, if doing so would endanger them or the operation in which they were engaged.

The police chief said the reform to the Public Security Law, which is being studied by the Interior Ministry, would seek to “strike a balance between the protection of the rights of citizens and those of members of the security forces. Only in recognition of the immense labor of the security forces are we able to progress toward achieving a more just, safer and peaceful society.”

The reform to the law could also include a penalty for taking part in a protest with a covered face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI0S-AcqQ1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDcRpCHfRgs

http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/10/18/inenglish/1350588780_276075.html

Micky Dolenz

Glad I don't plan on living in Spain anytime soon.

girl in the striped socks

Why is it necessary to chase someone to hit them around the head, then pull them to the ground & beat them around the head some more?

Monty Burnz

Two points:

1. People don't go to protests with their faces covered to act in a peaceful manner.
2. Police should not only be allowed to be filmed in the course of their duties, they should be encouraged to be filmed.

Micky Dolenz

In the videos, the police are heavily outnumbered and dealing with a very hostile crowd.

The protest in Dame street showed far more police disorder.

Run_to_da_hills

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

In the videos, the police are heavily outnumbered and dealing with a very hostile crowd.

The protest in Dame street showed far more police disorder.

You didn't see any Gardai beating up women with batons on Dame St.

stoneill

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You didn't see any Gardai beating up women with batons on Dame St.

That's right son - you saw nothing.

Micky Dolenz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You didn't see any Gardai beating up women with batons on Dame St.

Where you there? I was.

Bradidup

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Where you there? I was.

Any videos of it ?

Piliger

Our Gardai were heroes on Dame Street.

This 'talk' from the Spanish director general of police is only that - talk. A lot of hype over nothing.

Gee Bag

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Where you there? I was.

You talking about Reclaim The Streets in 2002?

Micky Dolenz

Bradidup wrote: »

Any videos of it ?

There was certainly a few floating around back then but video on phones wasn't a standard thing so footage is rare. Try searching for Mayday protest. or battle of Dame street.

Gee Bag wrote: »

You talking about Reclaim The Streets in 2002?

Thats the one, how time flies.

kincsem

Piliger wrote: »

Our Gardai were heroes on Dame Street.

Yeah. :rolleyes:

Perhaps half a dozen officers including Garda Donal Corcoran, the garda nicknamed "Robocop", find themselves part of a major investigation.

It was "Robocop", a strapping six-footer who works as a community policeman around Mountjoy , who was videotaped wielding his baton like the late drummer Keith Moon.

He wore no identification numbers on his shoulders, an omission he must explain to his superiors. So far the Garda Complaints Board has received 12 complaints though it is not known if any relate to Garda Corcoran.

Gee Bag

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Thats the one, how time flies.

In that case I extend fraternal greetings to you Comrade Micky Dolenz (unless you were on duty that day, in which case you can go f*ck yourself!)

I didn't realise it was that long ago until I typed it out.

GalwayGuy2

Tbf, only the second last scene in the first video looks like the police is putting any force into the blow.

And in the second video that is one hell of a crowd:O RT only seem to be showing a cropped view, but Jesus they certainly gave as good as they got. And the majority of the protesters seemed to be able to walk away, which, in all honesty, you wouldn't be able to after being hit full force with a truncheon.

Edit: also, in what world does Spain decide the EU's internal policy?

Logical_Bear

please stop posting scare mongering sh1te,you've ruined the conspiracy theories forum.Leave AH alone!!!

donvito99

Dame St was a triumph for Gardaí. There's something entertaining about a handful of violent student protesters getting a hiding that maintains my respect for this country and its organisations.

Chuck Stone

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Two points:

1. People don't go to protests with their faces covered to act in a peaceful manner.

Do you think it should be a criminal offence to cover your face in public?

Potential-Monke

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Do you think it should be a criminal offence to cover your face in public?

Yes, what have you got to hide?

donvito99

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Do you think it should be a criminal offence to cover your face in public?

Only if your face is four arses

GalwayGuy2

Do you think it should be a criminal offence to cover your face in public?

Ara shtop, this aint the Borderlands. (Wonder will anybody get the reference)

Potential-Monke

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Ara shtop, this aint the Borderlands. (Wonder will anybody get the reference)

"Shoot me in the face! IN THE FAAAACCCCCEEEEEE!"

kupus

I was gonna press the play button on the video.......

Then i saw the RT logo, enough said, nothing to see here

Chuck Stone

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Yes,

So you have fascist fantasies is it?

what have you got to hide?

What concern is it of yours or anyone else if I choose to cover my face? How about **** off and leave me alone I'm not bothering you?


****ing hell it's like the slaves are glad of their chains.

donvito99

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So you have fascist fantasies is it?



What concern is it of yours or anyone else if I choose to cover my face? How about **** off and leave me alone I'm not bothering you?


****ing hell it's like the slaves are glad of their chains.

Wow. Can't cover your face? Feckin fascists at it again.

Two can play at that game - bloody lefty liberals at it again

Chuck Stone

donvito99 wrote: »

Wow. Can't cover your face? Feckin fascists at it again.

1. What concern is it of yours or anyone else if I choose to cover my face?

2. How about **** off and leave me alone if I'm not bothering you?

donvito99

You are bothering me. You would part Grafton Street like the cobbled red sea that it is in covering your face.

Now stop being a point of law prat and start living like all other, straightforward people.

Chuck Stone

donvito99 wrote: »

You are bothering me.

How exactly? You're choosing to be bothered about something like a Joe Duffy whinger.

Now stop being a point of law prat and start living like all other, straightforward people.

Stay outa my ****, don't be a busy body - Joe Duffy biddy, and we won't have a problem.


Stop thinking like a cheerful slave.

Pottler

And we wonder why no-one in Ireland ever really protests. The attitude is "take it up the rear, no matter what, dem protesters are duurty hippies". Sad really. And pretty dumb. It is the threat of protests that keeps any Government half-way straight. Probably why ours is so bent.

El Weirdo

donvito99 wrote: »

You are bothering me. You would part Grafton Street like the cobbled red sea that it is in covering your face.

Now stop being a point of law prat and start living like all other, straightforward people.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

How exactly? You're choosing to be bothered about something like a Joe Duffy whinger.



Stay outa my ****, don't be a busy body - Joe Duffy biddy, and we won't have a problem.


Stop thinking like a cheerful slave.

mod

Cut it out, you two.

Chuck Stone

Pottler wrote: »

It is the threat of protests that keeps any Government half-way straight. Probably why ours is so bent.

And all the while we have people who think that covering your face should be a criminal offence.

It's a bit like something Stalin would have tried to introduce.

It's frightening how many people will happily cede their freedoms to institutions who couldn't give a fuck about their well being.

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

donvito99

Why is it that anyone who has a viewpoint contrary to militant protest/some rightly non-existent liberties, seen as "taking it up the rear"!

Only to be expected on boards.

donvito99

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety

And covering your face for reasons other than religion is an essential liberty?

I suppose we'll be wanting the right to bear arms now? It is of course an essential liberty in this country nowadays, seeing as the Gov couldn.t give a toss about our well being!

Nonsense.

Pottler

donvito99 wrote: »

And covering your face for reasons other than religion is an essential liberty?

I suppose we'll be wanting the right to bear arms now? It is of course an essential liberty in this country nowadays, seeing as the Gov couldn.t give a toss about our well being!

Nonsense.

I both expect this right and excercise this right. Also, your username is a bit edgy, but you seem quite square. Don Vito.

usernamegoes

donvito99 wrote: »

And covering your face for reasons other than religion is an essential liberty?

I suppose we'll be wanting the right to bear arms now? It is of course an essential liberty in this country nowadays, seeing as the Gov couldn.t give a toss about our well being!

Nonsense.

The essential liberty is that we should repel the state's intervention into our lives except what is necessary and proportionate.

talla10

kincsem wrote: »

Yeah. :rolleyes:

Perhaps half a dozen officers including Garda Donal Corcoran, the garda nicknamed "Robocop", find themselves part of a major investigation.

It was "Robocop", a strapping six-footer who works as a community policeman around Mountjoy , who was videotaped wielding his baton like the late drummer Keith Moon.

He wore no identification numbers on his shoulders, an omission he must explain to his superiors. So far the Garda Complaints Board has received 12 complaints though it is not known if any relate to Garda Corcoran.

Gda Corcoran was found not guilty of all charges in court and to the best of my knowledge no member of AGS was deemed to have broken any laws on that occasion.

Several students were later convicted of offences.

usernamegoes

talla10 wrote: »

Gda Corcoran was found not guilty of all charges in court and to the best of my knowledge no member of AGS was deemed to have broken any laws on that occasion.

Several students were later convicted of offences.

He did not fair the same in civil case against the state re his actions on that day. You will accept he did do something wrong knowing that.

Pottler

talla10 wrote: »

Gda Corcoran was found not guilty of all charges in court and to the best of my knowledge no member of AGS was deemed to have broken any laws on that occasion.

Several students were later convicted of offences.

Criminal damage to a Garda baton??

Guy:Incognito

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You didn't see any Gardai beating up women with batons on Dame St.

Whats this, rules for protesting no 1,"use women as shields cos if police hit them they are evil"?

Chuck Stone

donvito99 wrote: »

And covering your face for reasons other than religion is an essential liberty?

Having the choice to is.

Being violently forced to remove a face covering would be a gross violation of a person's right to be left the fuck alone.

donvito99

usernamegoes wrote: »

The essential liberty is that we should repel the state's intervention into our lives except what is necessary and proportionate.

And I find the claim that the right to cover ones face to be both an unneccessary and disproportionate insult to all of out other civil liberties.

Guy:Incognito

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Having the choice to is.

Being violently forced to remove a face covering would be a gross violation of a person's right to be left the fuck alone.

You can do it all you want. Just don't expect to be allowed to freely cover your face while blocking up public streets or smashing up businesses.

usernamegoes

donvito99 wrote: »

And I find the claim that the right to cover ones face to be both an unneccessary and disproportionate insult to all of out other civil liberties.

So, in your view, a person should rightly be charged and convicted of a offence for speaking at a protest rally supporting the right to abortion because they wanted to remain private for their own reasons.

You have no idea what freedom means.

usernamegoes

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You can do it all you want. Just don't expect to be allowed to freely cover your face while blocking up public streets or smashing up businesses.

It is necessary and proportionate to remove face coverings of a person breaking the law.

GalwayGuy2

Stay outa my ****, don't be a busy body - Joe Duffy biddy, and we won't have a problem.

Only one person suggested, and agreed, with covering your face being disallowed (and even then I got the sense he meant only during protest). Also, swearing and calling someone, out of hand, a Fascist or a Joe Duffy Brigade does absolutely nothing to further your argument.

And why is everybody who does not want to protest described, with the delightful phrase, "Taking it up the rear"? Is it because they do not blindly follow a protest movement (a la Occupy) that does not give concrete aims or how they achieve them?

talla10

usernamegoes wrote: »

He did not fair the same in civil case against the state re his actions on that day. You will accept he did do something wrong knowing that.

Do not tell me what I will or will not accept!! He was found not guilty of the alleged offences which you have reported as fact in the criminal courts. Therefore I will accept he is innocent of all charges.

usernamegoes

talla10 wrote: »

Do not tell me what I will or will not accept!! He was found not guilty of the alleged offences which you have reported as fact in the criminal courts. Therefore I will accept he is innocent of all charges.

I have said nothing about him being guilty of a criminal offence as fact or opinion.

He was found not guilty in the criminal courts indeed, therefore you should accept that he was not guilty of those charges.

No such adjudication was made by the civil court, the matter was settled against the state, which means that they felt that most of the evidence went against him.

talla10

kincsem wrote: »

It was "Robocop", a strapping six-footer who works as a community policeman around Mountjoy , who was videotaped wielding his baton like the late drummer Keith Moon..

You have clearly stated as a fact that he used his baton inappropriately when this was proven not to be the case.

usernamegoes

talla10 wrote: »

You have clearly stated as a fact that he used his baton inappropriately when this was proven not to be the case.

Em, that's not me.

talla10

Aplogies username I've just noticed you did not post that. Sorry

usernamegoes

talla10 wrote: »

Aplogies username I've just noticed you did not post that. Sorry

No problem. Have a good night.