Help me choose which TT!

antodeco

Hi all,
Im hoping to purchase an Audi TT in the new year (will probably be closer to late spring/early Summer). I am looking at 2008 model, but I am trying to decide what model to go for. The 2.0 TFSI/2.0 TDI or the 3.2 V6. Now, searching online, it seems that the petrol TFSI has better fuel efficiency and power, but the ride isint as good as the TDI. But I know that the TDI should be remappable? If so, that would improve the power, but not sure about the fuel efficiency. The overall one would be the V6, which has a benefit of all of them (not sure on the fuel efficiency though). But obviously there is a higher tax bracket and potential target for thieves. Can anyone help me out on this, or shed any light from previous experience?

Thanks

ION08

I can't see how the TFSI would have better fuel efficiency than the TDI.

The V6 would be the more exotic choice, but the TFSI would be the best all-rounder and just as fast if not faster than the V6 after a remap

dar83

If you are in a position to get the proper TT, then why even consider the others?!

And for the love of god please don't get the TDI version. What an abomination to a sports coupe.

Matt Simis

antodeco wrote: »

Now, searching online, it seems that the petrol TFSI has better fuel efficiency and power, but the ride isint as good as the TDI. But I know that the TDI should be remappable? If so, that would improve the power, but not sure about the fuel efficiency.
Thanks

Im not so sure any of that is correct..
Where did you read this? Its almost certainly the other way around.

ION08

dar83 wrote: »

If you are in a position to get the proper TT, then why even consider the others?!

Because he will still have to tax it , fuel it and i'm sure he doesnt want to be married to it and wants to sell it on at some point in the future?

eyescreamcone

I have owned 3 Audi TTs over the years
180 bhp
225? bhp
and the 3.2 V6

All were good but the V6 is the one.
Broke my heart to have to change but we are expecting number one soon and the TT was no longer practical.

Anyway, the V6 is super, excellent acceleration and and all round super drive.
Also the quattro is super in bad driving conditions.
Less powerful engines are not as good and may not have the quattro!
Tax is crazy, around 1500 per year.
But that will help bring down the purchase price.

I loved my V6 but I had to grow up sometime

crazyFeet

as above, i find it hard to believe. check out fuelly.com; that should give you an idea of consumption. best thought is vag dedicated forums (autostadt.ie or vagdrivers.ie), its better to talk to someone who knows their vw, i'd go for the model that holds the price relatively well compare to the others, tbh though, its either economy tdi or go out full wack and have fun with v6!

eyescreamcone

Fuel efficiency - none in a v6 I'm afraid - but that's not why you're going for a TT anyway is it??

dar83

ION08 wrote: »

Because he will still have to tax it , fuel it and i'm sure he doesnt want to be married to it and wants to sell it on at some point in the future?

So you just ignored the first part of what I said, in that if he is in the position to be looking at one?

Which he kind of makes it seem he is, as he mentions it as an option...

galwaytt

eyescreamcone wrote: »

...Broke my heart to have to change but we are expecting number one soon and the TT was no longer practical

Ever-so-slightly O/T, but I don't know why people think this...... Like you, I'm now back in a TT - after some years away from them - and carry my 9yr old and 12yr old in the back. (snug, I admit ).

However, I had 2 x TT's when they were both under 5, and I got them in, w/baby seats and buggy in the boot as well, so I'm wondering why with 1 that you think you can't cope ? Just curious, that's all......

OP, if you are prepared to be shafted for tax, and being practically stuck with it forever, then the 3.2 is the one. Other than that, the TFSI is the one to go for. Oh, and not in manual, either.

Supergurrier

If you can afford the 3.2 you owe it to yourself to get one, the TDI is a souless thing and the Tfsi doesn't have the wonderful sound of the 6 cylinder engine which is one of the best engine notes out there.

Best of luck with your search

ION08

Am I the only one that is not impressed by a 3.2 litre engine with only 250bhp?

You could get more power, more torque, better efficiency, cheaper tax and better resale if you go for the 2.0TFSI and remap.

What does the 3.2 V6 have? A nice sound? ... for which you pay extortionate tax for? drinks juice? And find it harder to sell on?

antodeco

ION08 wrote: »

Am I the only one that is not impressed by a 3.2 litre engine with only 250bhp?

You could get more power, more torque, better efficiency, cheaper tax and better resale if you go for the 2.0TFSI and remap.

What does the 3.2 V6 have? A nice sound? ... for which you pay extortionate tax for? drinks juice? And find it harder to sell on?

Thanks for all the replies! The above has been my thinking. Is a remap on the TFSI achievable? If I could get a TFSI with similar power to the 3.2 it would be great. I agree that 250bhp from a 3.2 is someway disappointing, but as mentioned, it's the lure of a v6! Fuel efficiency wise, I get roughly 9l/100km so roughly 32mpg.

tossy

IS the 2.0TFSI available in quattro ? Go for that best of both worlds,i was in a 2.0 TFSI with milltek,air filter and a map and it was no slouch.

The VR lump is not all about power it's a great engine to drive and no 4 pot can match the power delivery and power band.

If you buy a TDI one small babies in Africa will die.

Idbatterim

Am I the only one that is not impressed by a 3.2 litre engine with only 250bhp?

You could get more power, more torque, better efficiency, cheaper tax and better resale if you go for the 2.0TFSI and remap.

What does the 3.2 V6 have? A nice sound? ... for which you pay extortionate tax for? drinks juice? And find it harder to sell on?

is that all it puts out? what a joke! the now 11 year old E46 m3 had a 3.2L engine and put out 343 bhp! op what year car are you looking at? and how much mileage do you do?

Op see below for information on what these can be remapped to. Remapping Naturally aspirated engines, is a waste of time. Also bear in mind that the 6 cylinder engine will be a fair bit heavier than the 4 cylider, I would reckon that the remapped 2L TFSI, would have the 3.2L in a 0-60...

http://www.dmsautomotive.com/models.asp?upid=10

ION08

antodeco wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies! The above has been my thinking. Is a remap on the TFSI achievable? If I could get a TFSI with similar power to the 3.2 it would be great. I agree that 250bhp from a 3.2 is someway disappointing, but as mentioned, it's the lure of a v6! Fuel efficiency wise, I get roughly 9l/100km so roughly 32mpg.

Yes, pretty much any turbo engine can be remapped.

As tossy, said with a few light modifications (Air intake, Exhaust) you could see well over 250 BHP

see this link for reference

http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php?man_id=2&mod_id=22&var_id=1057&pg_name=Audi_TT_2_0_T_fsi_197_Tuning

no doubt the V6 sounds great and has nice power delivery but it is still hard to justify, plus youll have more cars to choose from if youre looking at the TFSI's.


The way I see it is.

Buy with your Wallet: TDI
Buy with your Heart: V6
Buy with your Head: TFSI


The TFSI is the best all-rounder and the smart choice to go for.

wonski

Idbatterim wrote: »

is that all it puts out? what a joke! the now 11 year old E46 m3 had a 3.2L engine and put out 343 bhp! op what year car are you looking at? and how much mileage do you do?

Op see below for information on what these can be remapped to. Remapping Naturally aspirated engines, is a waste of time. Also bear in mind that the 6 cylinder engine will be a fair bit heavier than the 4 cylider, I would reckon that the remapped 2L TFSI, would have the 3.2L in a 0-60...

http://www.dmsautomotive.com/models.asp?upid=10

That is why they changed engines in 2009/10
2.0 TFSI with 272HP, and 2.5 TFSI with 340HP...

I could be wrong but it seems that 272hp option was available in 2008, it is faster than v6.

antodeco

wonski wrote: »

That is why they changed engines in 2009/10
2.0 TFSI with 272HP, and 2.5 TFSI with 340HP...

I could be wrong but it seems that 272hp option was available in 2008, it is faster than v6.

272BHP from a 2.0? Surely thats wrong? All the ones I was looking online for 2008 onwards say 170Bhp for the 2.0 TFSI?

ION08

antodeco wrote: »

272BHP from a 2.0? Surely thats wrong? All the ones I was looking online for 2008 onwards say 170Bhp for the 2.0 TFSI?

The 2.0TFSI with 272BHP is the TTS model

the standard 2.0TFSI is 197BHP (read: 200) not 170bhp.

170BHP is the TDI version.

you seem to be crossing your wires between TDI and TFSI

Matt Simis

Idbatterim wrote: »

is that all it puts out? what a joke! the now 11 year old E46 m3 had a 3.2L engine and put out 343 bhp! op what year car are you looking at? and how much mileage do you do?

Its worth noting however that the M3 engine is a solid lifter, high RPM "race type" engine for the road in a limited run performance car, the TT (and V6) is fairly normal by comparison. Also the VR6 block is smaller and designed for small engine bays than the S54 block. It was also used in far more models than the S54 (which was in few itself).



But yeah, its no BHP monster all the same.

wonski

antodeco wrote: »

272BHP from a 2.0? Surely thats wrong? All the ones I was looking online for 2008 onwards say 170Bhp for the 2.0 TFSI?

Petrol:

1.8 TFSI (160) 120hp, 2006-2010
1.8TFSI 160hp, 2009-2010
2.0 TFSI 200hp, 2006-2010
2.0 TFSI 272hp, 2008-2010
2.0 TFSI Quattro S tronic 200hp, 2006-2010
2.5 TFSI 340hp, 2009-2010
3.2 i V6 24V quattro 250hp, 2006-2010

Diesel:

2.0 TDI 170KM, 2006-2010


Not sure if all of those are/were available here or in UK...

eyescreamcone

galwaytt wrote: »

Ever-so-slightly O/T, but I don't know why people think this...... Like you, I'm now back in a TT - after some years away from them - and carry my 9yr old and 12yr old in the back. (snug, I admit ).

However, I had 2 x TT's when they were both under 5, and I got them in, w/baby seats and buggy in the boot as well, so I'm wondering why with 1 that you think you can't cope ? Just curious, that's all......

OP, if you are prepared to be shafted for tax, and being practically stuck with it forever, then the 3.2 is the one. Other than that, the TFSI is the one to go for. Oh, and not in manual, either.

My TT was a roadster

tossy

Idbatterim wrote: »

is that all it puts out? what a joke! the now 11 year old E46 m3 had a 3.2L engine and put out 343 bhp! op what year car are you looking at? and how much mileage do you do?

That 3.2 is essentially a late 1980's engine! And comparing it to an M3 is just silly,the M3 is an M car,the Vr6 was designed mainly to make normal cars like Golfs,Corrados and TT's etc go a little faster and sound a little nicer.Also the how much was an E46 M3 new compared to a TT,a more appropriate comparison is the 3.2 in the Alfas,almost identical performance.

colm_mcm

If I was taxing a 3.2 I wouldn't be getting a TT

antodeco

colm_mcm wrote: »

If I was taxing a 3.2 I wouldn't be getting a TT

Which is part of my concern! There's a lot more powerful 3.2's out there, but only 1 for a TT!

colm_mcm

It'd be interesting to see how many people recommending a v6 over a 4 pot would actually do it

tossy

colm_mcm wrote: »

It'd be interesting to see how many people recommending a v6 over a 4 pot would actually do it

I did it,then i bought a diesel lol and then i bought a 4 pot.

To sum up if i was spending the OPs money i would buy a vr.

If i was spending my own i'd look for a quattro TFSI.

thecomedian

I bought a 2004 v6 a few weeks ago. Though I wouldn't have bought a TT without it.

I'd go with the v6

Supergurrier

colm_mcm wrote: »

It'd be interesting to see how many people recommending a v6 over a 4 pot would actually do it

I would but not on a TT if i wanted something impractical and was going to hang onto it for abit i would have a 840i/850i

Idbatterim

take a look at this:

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37861

Supergurrier

Idbatterim wrote: »

take a look at this:

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37861

I posted in that thread afew days ago

Not in the position to own one atm, happy enough with my current impractical car :pac:

antodeco

Thanks all. Looks like the TFSI is the better model so. It seems the updated 2009 model is the better one? Also, someone mentioned I should auto? I enjoy manual gears, so are the manuals really that bad?

Matt Simis

antodeco wrote: »

Thanks all. Looks like the TFSI is the better model so. It seems the updated 2009 model is the better one? Also, someone mentioned I should auto? I enjoy manual gears, so are the manuals really that bad?

You really need to test drive these and make your own mind up! The manuals are good and the autos are good, but they are different things entirely.. much like comparing the TDI to the TFSI actually!