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17-10-2012 9:38am#1
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That's great Marco_Polo, just have a couple of questions.
Will I need a fan for cooling? I know the power supply has one and the graphics card (appears?) to have some. But will I need one for the system in general?
The CPU comes with a cooler and the case has one rear fan installed, with the option to add a few more 120mm fans on the top and side if needs be. It should be fine as is though starting off.
And while I said I wouldn't try overclocking, I might depending on how easy it is for something to go wrong and the CPU be damaged. Is it something doable for someone new to pc building?
Other than that I'm very happy with your suggestions! Appreciate it
it is very easy to do nowadays, for a beginner it is just a matter of changing the frequency multiplier in the BIOS. If you stick to this only, and avoid messing around with advanced setting like CPU voltages , then it is very safe and carries pretty well zero risk of damaging the CPU. You will eventually (and quite safely if you stick soley to the multiplier) find a celing where a further stable increase is not be possible CPU without upping voltages etc. This is a very good point for a beginner to stop and be satisfied with their first overclocking effort.
Unfortunately I hadn't factored overclocking into the previous build, so if you wanted to try overclocking it will add to the cost of the build.
The main reasons are firstly that H77 motherboards do not support overclocking, primarly because the CPU frequency multiplier cannot be changed on these. You would also have to change more expensive z77 board, something like this would do the trick, but will add another 15 euro onto the price.
Secondly higher end Intel CPUs come in two flavours, the regular version which cannot be overclocked and a 'K' version. As you have probably already guessed this also costs extra. The i5-3570K is about 30 euro more expensive than the vanilla i5-3570.
Finally although you could stick with the stock cooler for some light overclocking, I would recommend getting a third party cooler. Personally I prefer to get one regardless as I find most the stock ones tend to become fairly audible at very high loads (Although you wouldn't nescessarly call them loud either).
You could by all means start with the stock cooler and replace it at a later date if you find it unsatisfactory. Something like the Coolermaster Hyper 212 is a decent starter cooler and not too expensive as 28 euro.
Overclocking is certainly something to consider, but it does carry a not trivial extra cost for you. However it would boost both the performance and longevity of the build especially for CPU intensive tasks like video editing and encoding, and a select few games which tend to get CPU bound such as Skyrim. On balance given how easy it is even for complete novices to safely and easily bump these chips up to to 4.5 GHz +, I would strongly consider giving it a whirl.0 -
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He wouldn't be wrong about the relatively small front air inlet, but for its budget price it has reasonable enough thermal performance albeit nothing special. All in all though you do get a fair bit for your 32 euros.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4913/bitfenix-merc-alpha-how-much-can-39-can
Ultimately something has got to give somewhere to keep within budget, and personally I rather keep the money to spend elsewhere. It certainly not at the top end of the scale, but even with some mild overclocking is should be more than capable of keeping the selected components cool enough to that they don't start to overheat.
After all once it keeps the components reasonably cool and quiet, how often are you going to be dipping a thermometer in there and regretting it because the case temperature is 3-4 degrees higher than it would be in a more expensive one (As all of the other cases in the review are, some of them by a substantially amount). 0 -
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marco_polo wrote: »He wouldn't be wrong about the relatively small front air inlet, but for its budget price it has reasonable enough thermal performance albeit nothing special. All in all though you do get a fair bit for your 32 euros.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4913/bitfenix-merc-alpha-how-much-can-39-can
Ultimately something has got to give somewhere to keep within budget, and personally I rather keep the money to spend elsewhere. It certainly not at the top end of the scale, but even with some mild overclocking is should be more than capable of keeping the selected components cool enough to that they don't start to overheat.
After all once it keeps the components reasonably cool and quiet, how often are you going to be dipping a thermometer in there and regretting it because the case temperature is 3-4 degrees higher than it would be in a more expensive one (As all of the other cases in the review are, some of them by a substantially amount).
Yeah you're right of course. He has his own pc overclocked, so it's probably just habit for him to point it out! I'll leave out the Blu-Ray player for now. Would that money make up the difference on the better components U_Fig suggested?
The 3570k and z77 board you linked to earlier and some cooler then? That'd only be a little over budget and would mean I could oc using the frequency multiplier right?
So I'll ditch the Blu-Rayuncle_sam_ie wrote: »Blue Ray on a PC is a hassle. The pain is you need software to play the movies and that's about another 50-70 euro's http://www.corel.com/corel/product/i...anguageCode=en
And, getting it work right is painful because of all the DRM crap from the movie companies force on us. You will buy a movie and find out you need to wait a week or two for your software to be updated. A friend of mine said the software was worse than any virus. Plus, your monitor and video card need to be HDCP compatible or it won't work at all.
I'm just giving you a heads up is all. A lot of people don't realise this.
Thanks for the info. Just more reason to leave it out for now then. I can look into it further down the line0 -
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