Rally of support for Quinn family

Shea O'Meara

This rally and those who attended and organised it are the reason Ireland will always be f***ed. You have a family of chancers, (in my opinion) who gambled with money they borrowed, lost but won't pay back the money. Happy for it to fall on the tax payer, the very idiots out at the rally.
And you have dimwits applauding them blaming it all on 'the man' trying to scapegoat innocent hard working families, like the Quinns.
People like these are why we have the, 'I vote for party X because my father did and his father before him', mentality.
And the G.A.A. being represented was farcical. All designed to give weight to the Quinns saga. An arm twist for the community.
I was disgusted. The Quinns should be ashamed for duping simple minded folk.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1014/quinn-rally-cavan.html

stevenmu

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

who gambled with money they borrowed

And not just money they borrowed, they were also gambling with the futures of their employees, many of whom are now paradoxically cheering them on.

Sure, a lot of other people have to take the blame too, the regulators should have been all over the whole mess before it happened, the government should never have allowed such lax regulation, and Anglo were up to some seriously dodgy stuff, but the Quinns have definitely earned a good share of the blame too.

I really can't understand how any body can support them, let alone be out cheering them on.

walshb

I wouldn't support them but I would have some sympathy for them. I do believe they are/were good people who tried to do good and who were let down by themsleves and by many others.

Denerick

I really am sick of this. Every peasant in Ulster rallying behind the Quinn family. The Quinn family lived like Kings. Sure, they had modest houses but they spent their money like the billionaires they were. Fancy weddings for daughters, 100k wedding cakes, and all the trimmings. All of this is their right of course, if you've accumulated great wealth why not spend it? But is there anything more distressing than seeing peasants and workers up in arms because a popular local plutocrat can't pay his bills anymore? Truly, we're in the midst of a class war in this country and the wealthy don't even need to fight us any more.

Shea O'Meara

stevenmu wrote: »

And not just money they borrowed, they were also gambling with the futures of their employees, many of whom are now paradoxically cheering them on.

Sure, a lot of other people have to take the blame too, the regulators should have been all over the whole mess before it happened, the government should never have allowed such lax regulation, and Anglo were up to some seriously dodgy stuff, but the Quinns have definitely earned a good share of the blame too.

I really can't understand how any body can support them, let alone be out cheering them on.

I agree, but all the blame for the Quinns predicament is on the Quinns not Anglo or any laxed regulator. They were quite happy to take the money and if it all worked out and they made more millions would they have distributed it amongst their staff or local community?....I don't believe so.
It's the bank bailout simplified; a number of private consortiums stand to lose their shirts on a gamble and the taxpayer has to carry the burden so they're not too out of pocket. The Quinn's real gripe is they are out in the cold with no background financial invested interests to strong arm the government on their behalf.

ednwireland

Denerick wrote: »

I really am sick of this. Every peasant in Ulster rallying behind the Quinn family..

i object to you lumping the whole of ulster in with those quinnites

edit: i have to withdraw that, fupping donegal assistant gaa coach was speaking at the rally (oh the embarrassment but he originally from fermanagh)

Mannix1888

Sad to see people like Mickey Harte allowing themselves to be used to support Quinn.

juan.kerr

I wonder what is in it for the high profile supporters. Have they been promised a share of the misappropriated / missing rental incomes or something?

Death and Taxes

That so many people could be supporting the Quinns is a damming indictment of the cuts in spending to mental health services!

Sierra Oscar

juan.kerr wrote: »

I wonder what is in it for the high profile supporters. Have they been promised a share of the misappropriated / missing rental incomes or something?

Just blind loyalty by the looks of it - unfortunately it is endemic in this country. The funny thing (or perhaps depressing is more appropriate) is that these people attending the rallies moan and groan about our elected representatives and our ineffective political system, yet it is the sort of pure gombeen blind loyalty that they are showing at these rallies which has also greatly undermined our political system in the first instance. The "he is our man and we will back him no matter what" mentality has undermined public life for far too long a time now and it looks like it will persist.

Mr.Micro

juan.kerr wrote: »

I wonder what is in it for the high profile supporters. Have they been promised a share of the misappropriated / missing rental incomes or something?

In their naivety they believe every word the Quinns utter and think that the king will rise again. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. The supporters clearly fall into the latter.

Fr Tod Umptious

I'm not from the area but i do come from rural Ireland and I can, to a certain extent, see this from the point of view of those at the rally.

The Quinn's created a lot of employment is a rural area that would not have had it otherwise, that allowed people to stay in that area and it helped the economy of that area.

Now you have a situation where the local boy that did well (Quinn) is being harassed by the big bad bankers, i.e Anglo, and it's cronies i.e the likes of Sheane Fitzpatrick, David Drumm, the FF Govt that bailed it out etc etc.

And there is a perception that while the likes of Quinn goes to jail for trying to hold on to his assets and thus continue to help the local area, the likes of Fitzpatrick, Drumm, etc are free to do what they wish

(I know court cases are pending against the above Anglo execs, but the locals may see that a only a sham and that they will get away with a slap on the wrist)

Shea O'Meara

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'm not from the area but i do come from rural Ireland and I can, to a certain extent, see this from the point of view of those at the rally.

The Quinn's created a lot of employment is a rural area that would not have had it otherwise, that allowed people to stay in that area and it helped the economy of that area.

Now you have a situation where the local boy that did well (Quinn) is being harassed by the big bad bankers, i.e Anglo, and it's cronies i.e the likes of Sheane Fitzpatrick, David Drumm, the FF Govt that bailed it out etc etc.

And there is a perception that while the likes of Quinn goes to jail for trying to hold on to his assets and thus continue to help the local area, the likes of Fitzpatrick, Drumm, etc are free to do what they wish

(I know court cases are pending against the above Anglo execs, but the locals may see that a only a sham and that they will get away with a slap on the wrist)

I'd say so. Hopefully they'll realise any gain for Quinn is coming out of their pockets. It's 'Them up in Dublin' too and the blight on Irish politics, 'Sure I knew his Da' or 'He got the local hurling team new dressing rooms', no big picture.

Fr Tod Umptious

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

I'd say so. Hopefully they'll realise any gain for Quinn is coming out of their pockets. It's 'Them up in Dublin' too and the blight on Irish politics, 'Sure I knew his Da' or 'He got the local hurling team new dressing rooms', no big picture.

Well the perception would be a simplistic

'If Quinn has the money he will spend/invest it locally', ' If Anglo/IRBC/Govt get the money they it will go into some banking black hole'

For them the assets are better in Quinn's hands than in the hands of the state

Shea O'Meara

With all his business and property investments abroad I guess he may get a local lad to wash his cars.

Mr.Micro

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

'If Quinn has the money he will spend/invest it locally', ' If Anglo/IRBC/Govt get the money they it will go into some banking black hole'

For them the assets are better in Quinn's hands than in the hands of the state

That is presumably after he pays the debts he owes? If we all went about getting massive loans and subsequent debts, with no intention of ever paying them back. Imagine all the businesses that would be ruined with that attitude.
No, the money would be better in the banking black hole.

BlaasForRafa

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well the perception would be a simplistic

'If Quinn has the money he will spend/invest it locally', ' If Anglo/IRBC/Govt get the money they it will go into some banking black hole'

For them the assets are better in Quinn's hands than in the hands of the state

If investing in Kiev and Moscow is considered "local" to Cavan then I suppose they're right.

Shea O'Meara

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If investing in Kiev and Moscow is considered "local" to Cavan then I suppose they're right.

Exactly.
Sure look at it, all the money in business abroad, allegedly more squirreled away there since they lost our money, (well ours in so far as we'll be paying the bill), the nephew skips to British juristiction to avoid jail and Snr. hires a British legal team.
They can stand by all the G.A.A. cronies they want.

Mr.Micro

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

Exactly.
Sure look at it, all the money in business abroad, allegedly more squirreled away there since they lost our money, (well ours in so far as we'll be paying the bill), the nephew skips to British juristiction to avoid jail and Snr. hires a British legal team.
They can stand by all the G.A.A. cronies they want.

Seán Quinn Jnr released from prison after case is adjourned for two weeks

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1019/sean-quinn-court.html

Well, thats that then, the IBRC will never see another cent from this lot.There has been little or nothing done by the Quinns to facilitate the court orders.... surprise surprise.

Lawyers for IBRC told the court there had still been no meaningful co-operation from Seán Quinn Snr to comply with court orders to reverse the asset-stripping of Quinn companies.

BlaasForRafa

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Seán Quinn Jnr released from prison after case is adjourned for two weeks

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1019/sean-quinn-court.html

Well, thats that then, the IBRC will never see another cent from this lot.There has been little or nothing done by the Quinns to facilitate the court orders.... surprise surprise.

Surely Sean Quinn jr is a flight risk? Typical justice system in this country letting the chancer go free after a token punishment, his father has done zero to purge the contempt.

Mr.Micro

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Surely Sean Quinn jr is a flight risk? Typical justice system in this country letting the chancer go free after a token punishment, his father has done zero to purge the contempt.

He is indeed a flight risk. One could be forgiven for being cynical in this case. An adjournment is granted, as the Quinns have appointed new lawyers, conveniently just 4 days before the hearing, no doubt (cynical) in anticipation of an adjournment on those grounds, ie new lawyers, so no time to prepare etc. It worked a treat. Then we hear, King Quinn's age and health have to be considered etc. The system is just playing to the Quinns tune and its akin to a farce now.

Shea O'Meara

It beggars belief that people still support this man. He's looking after his own, I get that. He's hiding money because he owes millions, which the taxpayer is carrying because, well, he's looking after his own? Not so much. What a lowly example of a human being. He has a contempt for this country and it's taxpaying public. And of course we've the dumb f***wits applauding him."The 66-year-old, who could have remained free until his Supreme Court appeal, was flanked by supporters in the High Court..."http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/20822735/
I've a feeling this little stint behind bars will be it and he'll smirk off into the sunset with his ill gotten gains. Would love to see his money seized by some international body and him, the son and the nephew get ten or twenty years a piece. Unlikely of course.

golfball37

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

It beggars belief that people still support this man. He's looking after his own, I get that. He's hiding money because he owes millions, which the taxpayer is carrying because, well, he's looking after his own? Not so much. What a lowly example of a human being. He has a contempt for this country and it's taxpaying public. And of course we've the dumb f***wits applauding him."The 66-year-old, who could have remained free until his Supreme Court appeal, was flanked by supporters in the High Court..."http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/20822735/

Ripping off taxpayers is a hoot. Who in this country apart from a few hundred corrupt souls agreed with Anglo being nationalised?Sean Quinn will have to face his conscience someday but I certainly don't feel he ripped me off in the slighest.

Shea O'Meara

golfball37 wrote: »

Ripping off taxpayers is a hoot. Who in this country apart from a few hundred corrupt souls agreed with Anglo being nationalised?Sean Quinn will have to face his conscience someday but I certainly don't feel he ripped me off in the slighest.

So you've not heard of the whole financial crisis thing so? Are you aware you are paying back his losses so he can remain, (at least) a millionaire? Where do you think the money he's refusing to pay is coming from? Your pocket if you pay tax.

fergiesfav

golfball37 wrote: »

but I certainly don't feel he ripped me off in the slighest.

Do you pay car insurance?!

If you do I think you'll find he's responsible for some of the cost!!!!

golfball37

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

So you've not heard of the whole financial crisis thing so? Are you aware you are paying back his losses so he can remain, (at least) a millionaire? Where do you think the money he's refusing to pay is coming from? Your pocket if you pay tax.

Thats the law of capitalism we've all signed up and is reflected in who we return to represent us in the Dail. Sean Quinn did nothing outside the rules we created for him. Bigger fools us.Anglo Irish bank ripped off this state- we nationalised their debt. Nobody agrees with that decision taken.If that decision had not been taken Sean Quinn wouldn't owe the state a penny, rather a disgraced private bank. I wonder where we'd all stand on it then? The same yokels in the media who want to see him hanged would be supporting him in not paying back a cent.Anyone giving out about hikes in their car insurance would be better advised save their ire for the fools in Leinster house rather than someone taking advantage of the rules these quislings created. In my opinion.

BlaasForRafa

golfball37 wrote: »

Thats the law of capitalism we've all signed up and is reflected in who we return to represent us in the Dail. Sean Quinn did nothing outside the rules we created for him. Bigger fools us.Anglo Irish bank ripped off this state- we nationalised their debt. Nobody agrees with that decision taken.If that decision had not been taken Sean Quinn wouldn't owe the state a penny, rather a disgraced private bank. I wonder where we'd all stand on it then? The same yokels in the media who want to see him hanged would be supporting him in not paying back a cent.Anyone giving out about hikes in their car insurance would be better advised save their ire for the fools in Leinster house rather than someone taking advantage of the rules these quislings created. In my opinion.

You wouldn't happen to be from Cavan or Fermanagh or thereabouts would you?

I didn't agree with the bank bailout at the time and in retrospect it was a disasterous decision. Anglo-Irish Bank should have been allowed fail and Quinn should have been left twist in the wind as the fall of Anglo would have ruined him. However the decision to bail out anglo and to nationalise it was taken and as a country we have to make the best of that decision.

Seeing as IBRC is OURS and the money that Quinn owes is effectively OURS (ie the citizens of this country) then Quinn IS ripping each and every one of us off by his systematic attempts to put assets beyond the reach of the state and to preserve his lifestyle at the expense of the rest of us. If you don't understand that, or refuse to understand that then you are part of the reason why this country is in the f

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d up state that its in.

Oh and the hikes in insurance rates are directly down to Quinn's decisions in how his business was managed, that on its own should be enough to earn him the ire of the populace.

Shea O'Meara

golfball37 wrote: »

Thats the law of capitalism we've all signed up and is reflected in who we return to represent us in the Dail. Sean Quinn did nothing outside the rules we created for him.

I think you'll find it's the exact opposite. He borrowed money, won't pay it back and hid his assets when the law asked to see them. He is breaking the 'laws of capitalism' as you put it. He gambled and lost and isn't man enough to take his medicine. What do you call someone who makes a bet, gambles and loses, but won't pay up? A hero?

Bigger fools us.Anglo Irish bank ripped off this state- we nationalised their debt. Nobody agrees with that decision taken.If that decision had not been taken Sean Quinn wouldn't owe the state a penny, rather a disgraced private bank. I wonder where we'd all stand on it then? The same yokels in the media who want to see him hanged would be supporting him in not paying back a cent.

You might be right. However, the debt was nationalised and he's costing me money. If you want to continue to pay for his lifestyle and say, 'sure good on him' more fool you.

Anyone giving out about hikes in their car insurance would be better advised save their ire for the fools in Leinster house rather than someone taking advantage of the rules these quislings created. In my opinion.

You've got it all arseways. He's not taking advantage of the rules, he's breaking them. That's why he's in jail at the moment. I too was against the bank bailouts, I never voted FFail, but that's where we are. We must deal with it. Quinn behaving like a spoilt brat who no longer wants to play because he lost his ball is sad and anyone thinking he's some kind of wiley folk hero sticking it to the man is an idiot.

Godge

golfball37 wrote: »

Thats the law of capitalism we've all signed up and is reflected in who we return to represent us in the Dail. Sean Quinn did nothing outside the rules we created for him. Bigger fools us.Anglo Irish bank ripped off this state- we nationalised their debt. Nobody agrees with that decision taken.If that decision had not been taken Sean Quinn wouldn't owe the state a penny, rather a disgraced private bank. I wonder where we'd all stand on it then? The same yokels in the media who want to see him hanged would be supporting him in not paying back a cent.Anyone giving out about hikes in their car insurance would be better advised save their ire for the fools in Leinster house rather than someone taking advantage of the rules these quislings created. In my opinion.

There is a levy on every insurance premium for the next 20 years to pay for Sean Quinn's stupidity, recklessness, arrogance, greed and sheer brass neck. You, me and everyone else are paying for it.

Mr.Micro

golfball37 wrote: »

Ripping off taxpayers is a hoot. Who in this country apart from a few hundred corrupt souls agreed with Anglo being nationalised?Sean Quinn will have to face his conscience someday but I certainly don't feel he ripped me off in the slighest.

Conscience and the Quinns, lol. It could be argued that Quinn was one of the 10 that brought Ireland down with his scandalous and reckless gambling with money he did not own or have. He has no shame or contriteness even still. Delusion, ego and and an abundance of arrogance are his properties. He knows that after the nine weeks, if he indeed even serves 9 weeks, there is little more that the IBRC will be able to do to get any of what is left of the millions.

queen of Umaill

I think they are just a red herring to keep the wolves off their own backs.
I do believe no one who is dangerous criminal however should be locked up in same facilities as those who are.
So many more who will never see conviction and will live the high life.
Gilmore's comments on news made me sick.No one is out of reach of law and will pay.
Yeah not likely.
Quinn is the last person i wanted to see locked up,dont like him and do believe his own fault for pushing it to far and getting greedy.
But he is a small fish in the big pond.

yore

Not sure about the rest of ye, but I'd happily do 9 weeks in jail if it meant I could keep tens of millions that I had "misappropriated". Especially in a semi open training unit!

It's not really that much of a deterrent! Hopefully it won't be the end of it.

(And of course, hopefully that the claims of their supporters are as false as they appear to be!!)

Sierra Oscar

yore wrote: »

Not sure about the rest of ye, but I'd happily do 9 weeks in jail if it meant I could keep tens of millions that I had "misappropriated". Especially in a semi open training unit!

Indeed, it is a bit of a joke really. The court could have imposed an indefinite sentence until such a time as Quinn purges his contempt. It might have forced Quinn into a reality check.

Mr.Micro

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Indeed, it is a bit of a joke really. The court could have imposed an indefinite sentence until such a time as Quinn purges his contempt. It might have forced Quinn into a reality check.

The Supreme Court ruled recently that Sean Quinn Jr could not be detained indefinitely for contempt, so it is probable that the ruling had a bearing on Quinn Senior's sentence, in that it had to have a duration limit.

yore

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The Supreme Court ruled recently that Sean Quinn Jr could not be detained indefinitely for contempt, so it is probable that the ruling had a bearing on Quinn Senior's sentence, in that it had to have a duration limit.

It does seem a bit strange to me that they could "purge" their contempt just by sitting in jail....They were jailed for refusing to help recover assets and they are still refusing to do so. It would seem to me that the contempt is still there. Any legal person out there who can explain this to me?


Notwithstanding, going to jail for a few weeks doesn't do any harm to the portrayal of victimhood status anyway. Especially the sob story of being potentially locked up over Christmas and having to miss a Christening etc. I'm sure a Christening can be postponed anyway ([erhaps another 100K cake on the way.....)

Death and Taxes

What saddens me is that some other criminal , one who has shown the possibilty of being rehabilitated, has been denied his place in training unit, a place he has no doubt worked hard to achieve , because this absolutley corrupt and contemptible little man is taking that place instead of being in the main prison where he belongs.
Sad to see the authorities still pandering to the likes of organized crime figures like him!

Mr.Micro

yore wrote: »

It does seem a bit strange to me that they could "purge" their contempt just by sitting in jail....They were jailed for refusing to help recover assets and they are still refusing to do so. It would seem to me that the contempt is still there. Any legal person out there who can explain this to me?


Notwithstanding, going to jail for a few weeks doesn't do any harm to the portrayal of victimhood status anyway. Especially the sob story of being potentially locked up over Christmas and having to miss a Christening etc. I'm sure a Christening can be postponed anyway ([erhaps another 100K cake on the way.....)

I agree, the contempt of court is still there. Its the mere threat of jail to most people that makes them behave and co-operate, but not the Quinns, when what is 3 months and 9 weeks compared to hanging on 300 millions plus.

CptMackey

queen of Umaill wrote: »

I think they are just a red herring to keep the wolves off their own backs.
I do believe no one who is dangerous criminal however should be locked up in same facilities as those who are.
So many more who will never see conviction and will live the high life.
Gilmore's comments on news made me sick.No one is out of reach of law and will pay.
Yeah not likely.
Quinn is the last person i wanted to see locked up,dont like him and do believe his own fault for pushing it to far and getting greedy.
But he is a small fish in the big pond.

I agree. I think that Anglo are chasing him and assuming the high moral ground. But they sold him the shares with a loan that they gave him. That was pure fraud. It in fact borders on treason. Those in power in Anglo should be locked up along with him. Sean fitz should be too and sharpish.

The whole thing is being used to divert out attention from the failures of our politicans in Europe.

Death and Taxes

CptMackey wrote: »

I agree. I think that Anglo are chasing him and assuming the high moral ground. But they sold him the shares with a loan that they gave him. That was pure fraud. It in fact borders on treason. Those in power in Anglo should be locked up along with him. Sean fitz should be too and sharpish.

The whole thing is being used to divert out attention from the failures of our politicans in Europe.

Seanie Fitz and others have been charged, it is childish to confuse those now in charge or IRBC with those who once ran it, or those like the Quinn gang,who used it as an opportunity to salve their greed.

CptMackey

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Seanie Fitz and others have been charged, it is childish to confuse those now in charge or IRBC with those who once ran it, or those like the Quinn gang,who used it as an opportunity to salve their greed.

They are the same. Look at the wages that they are claiming. It's Anglo with a bit of nationial thrown in. A rose by any other name and all that. This Ibrc should never have been set up. They are still running the same corrupt "bank" that sean fitz was running.

yore

CptMackey wrote: »

They are the same. Look at the wages that they are claiming. It's Anglo with a bit of nationial thrown in. A rose by any other name and all that. This Ibrc should never have been set up. They are still running the same corrupt "bank" that sean fitz was running.

The wages that are/were being claimed had nothing directly to do with the problems. Indirectly they may have had but that is the fault of regulation.

Taking the extreme and cutting back all Anglo employees to minimum wage would not be a good idea for example. As much as it may grate seeing people getting well paid for working there, it's better for us all in the long run that those wages are available.

Maudi

WileyCoyote wrote: »

What saddens me is that some other criminal , one who has shown the possibilty of being rehabilitated, has been denied his place in training unit, a place he has no doubt worked hard to achieve , because this absolutley corrupt and contemptible little man is taking that place instead of being in the main prison where he belongs.
Sad to see the authorities still pandering to the likes of organized crime figures like him!

dont they just jail mafia type gangsters in america?here we seem to openly accommadate them...that reminds me of that movie with jack nickleson where he planted/bought somebody in the legal profession..like this girl...where it looked 'good'if she jailed him ..for a while..for contempt of court.

Death and Taxes

CptMackey wrote: »

They are the same. Look at the wages that they are claiming. It's Anglo with a bit of nationial thrown in. A rose by any other name and all that. This Ibrc should never have been set up. They are still running the same corrupt "bank" that sean fitz was running.

No, they are pursuing the greed gangsters who drove this country into bankruptcy, the likes of the organized crime gang led by Sean and Aoife Quinn

Accrual Intentions

Death and Taxes

Accrual Intentions wrote: »

sad childish drivel, comparing nelson mandela with an Irish organized crime leader!

Godge

CptMackey wrote: »

I agree. I think that Anglo are chasing him and assuming the high moral ground. But they sold him the shares with a loan that they gave him. That was pure fraud. It in fact borders on treason. Those in power in Anglo should be locked up along with him. Sean fitz should be too and sharpish.

The whole thing is being used to divert out attention from the failures of our politicans in Europe.

Oh I agree, as well as locking up Sean Quinn for refusing to pay back his loans to Anglo Irish Bank, we should also lock up the man who had the largest shareholding in Anglo Irish Bank when it went bust - the man who effectively owned it (if he could pay for his shares) - namely one Sean Quinn. As the effective owner of the bank, he was the man in power in Anglo.

Imagine that, we had the third largest bank in the state owned through secret CFD share dealings by its biggest customer - if that wasn't a recipe for fraud and corruption, I don't know what was. If he had pulled it off, he would have had to look in the mirror to discuss repayment of his loans with his bank manager.

Mr.Micro

Godge wrote: »

Oh I agree, as well as locking up Sean Quinn for refusing to pay back his loans to Anglo Irish Bank, we should also lock up the man who had the largest shareholding in Anglo Irish Bank when it went bust - the man who effectively owned it (if he could pay for his shares) - namely one Sean Quinn. As the effective owner of the bank, he was the man in power in Anglo.

Imagine that, we had the third largest bank in the state owned through secret CFD share dealings by its biggest customer - if that wasn't a recipe for fraud and corruption, I don't know what was. If he had pulled it off, he would have had to look in the mirror to discuss repayment of his loans with his bank manager.

Ah sure, the poor man did not know what he was doing. The Anglo boys did a number on the simple gullible country man, lol. He took the money to buy shares thinking it was for free. He wants us to believe he was a fool or a knave?

Shea O'Meara

Smoke and mirrors, that's what people are getting off the Quinns. They are the ones trying to distract from the real issue.

They borrowed money to gamble, they lost and won't pay back the loan. It is that simple.

Yes the banks were run by shysters, yes the government supposedly over looking such things were shysters and idiots. By Quinn logic nobody need pay their Mortgage, car loans etc. and cite the above as an excuse. Pure nonsense. It would be great if we could all do that, but it's not going to happen, y'know because of rules, laws and the like.

The Quinn's are trying to dodge a debt and have you and I cover it so they can remain millionaires. That simple. They should apologise to their misguided supporters and follow the rule of law.

nice_guy80

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

Smoke and mirrors, that's what people are getting off the Quinns. They are the ones trying to distract from the real issue.

They borrowed money to gamble, they lost and won't pay back the loan. It is that simple.

Yes the banks were run by shysters, yes the government supposedly over looking such things were shysters and idiots. By Quinn logic nobody need pay their Mortgage, car loans etc. and cite the above as an excuse. Pure nonsense. It would be great if we could all do that, but it's not going to happen, y'know because of rules, laws and the like.

The Quinn's are trying to dodge a debt and have you and I cover it so they can remain millionaires. That simple. They should apologise to their misguided supporters and follow the rule of law.

I had this conversation with a woman from Cavan yesterday
While she accepted that Quinn had done stupid things, she felt that there were a lot more than Quinn who should be in jail (I'll agree that there are so many people who should have served time for the banking scandals and lack of governance by public bodies)
she also felt that that his record of job creation should mean he deserved to be treated better

Mr.Micro

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I had this conversation with a woman from Cavan yesterday
While she accepted that Quinn had done stupid things, she felt that there were a lot more than Quinn who should be in jail (I'll agree that there are so many people who should have served time for the banking scandals and lack of governance by public bodies)
she also felt that that his record of job creation should mean he deserved to be treated better

I wonder did she mean, when she said "treated better", let off from his debts, disregard court orders etc, the whole works?

djpbarry

nice_guy80 wrote: »

While she accepted that Quinn had done stupid things, she felt that there were a lot more than Quinn who should be in jail

Well, first of all, other people are still under investigation – Mr. Fitzpatrick and Co. are going to be in and out of court for some time yet.

But, even if no charges are brought against the Anglo lads, that still doesn’t mean Quinn should be dealt with leniently – that’s a ridiculous argument. It’s like me suggesting I should be allowed shop-lift just because there are others in the country committing far worse crimes.

nice_guy80 wrote: »

...she also felt that that his record of job creation should mean he deserved to be treated better

Did bankers not create jobs in banking?