Taximan forgets to turn on meter

mikemac1

Happened me twice now

I think these were just a genuine mistake, nothing sly about it.
Sure we all make mistakes, it can happen anyone


Both times I just hand over what I normally pay when we get to the end.
Seems fair

But if I wanted to be strictly by the rules about it, would it be a free trip for me?

I don't need receipts but If I did need a receipt for work this would rightly mess it up, I couldn't get one.
So if that ever happened I'd have to speak up

I have searched but I couldn't find an answer

Thanks

the groutch

not sure of the exact rules, but it would be hard for them to legally force you to pay any more than the €4.55 (iirc) fixed charge.
if they tried to call the Gardai, the Garda would almost certainly do nothing about it.

that said, it's easier if you both try to come to some agreement, as you said it was a genuine mistake, and the majority of taxi driver are decent folk trying to make a living.

seamus

Strictly by the rules, the only obligation on the passenger is to pay the fare displayed on the meter, provided that it is less than the maximum fare.

However that's not exactly it, as in the more general sense you did get a journey and so you owe some form of money to the taxi driver for that journey, he has just failed to properly record it. Without a proper record of the journey, he has no way of properly charging you.

As the groutch quite rightly points out - as it can be proven that at the very least you did take a journey in his taxi, then he would be entitled to be paid the minimum fare.

Losty Dublin

The Meter has to be on for a fare to be charged and for you to have been deemed to have legally hired the taxi. However, it's in your interest to have the meter turned on once the hiring commences to avoid silly disputes such as this kick off.

Were it to happen that the meter isn't engaged, an argument ensues and a Garda had to be involved over a disputed fare then the likelihood is that he'd call common sense and "request" you to "pay" the fare as you have acquired a service. After all, it's going to be a sober driver who provided a service to you versus an non-sober passenger who is aggrieved and looking for a freebie or he can also boot you out and you have no comeback either

the groutch

Losty Dublin wrote: »

After all, it's going to be a sober driver who provided a service to you versus an non-sober passenger who is aggrieved and looking for a freebie or he can also boot you out and you have no comeback either

OP said nothing about being after a night out, a bit quick to assume she was drunk at the time.
And there are a huge amount of people using taxis for reasons other than getting home from pubs/clubs

mikemac1

Ah now Losty Dublin, you've just labelled me a messy drunk

I've had these incidents of the meter being left off during the middle of the day, no drink involved

I paid the driver what I normally pay.

The thread is more of a legal question, what exactly was the procedure if you go exactly by the rules, that's all

foggy_lad

Losty Dublin wrote: »

The Meter has to be on for a fare to be charged and for you to have been deemed to have legally hired the taxi. However, it's in your interest to have the meter turned on once the hiring commences to avoid silly disputes such as this kick off.

Were it to happen that the meter isn't engaged, an argument ensues and a Garda had to be involved over a disputed fare then the likelihood is that he'd call common sense and "request" you to "pay" the fare as you have acquired a service. After all, it's going to be a sober driver who provided a service to you versus an non-sober passenger who is aggrieved and looking for a freebie or he can also boot you out and you have no comeback either

The likelihood is that any Garda will send you on your way having thanked the nice taxi driver for the "lift"!

There is no "hiring" when the meter is not turned on! there can therefore be no demand for payment for hiring the taxi.

mikemac1 wrote: »

The thread is more of a legal question, what exactly was the procedure if you go exactly by the rules, that's all

You enjoy a freebie!

dowlingm

In Toronto, no meter turned on, no fare can be collected.
http://www.toronto.ca/taxitraining/pdf/chapter545.pdf

A free ride if the meter is not in a recording position

That's what the law should be in Ireland too - otherwise how can tourists etc who don't know the "going rate" be protected?

Losty Dublin

the groutch wrote: »

OP said nothing about being after a night out, a bit quick to assume she was drunk at the time.
And there are a huge amount of people using taxis for reasons other than getting home from pubs/clubs

No he didn't but the vast majority of driver issues I've heard are at night when more people use taxi's so that's when they seem to occur; I have heard of them daytime as well to rest your mind Any driver I've known who has called upon the cops over non payment has seen them side with the driver; I'd strongly suspect that this would be the case here too, meter aside.

foggy_lad

Losty Dublin wrote: »

the groutch wrote: »

OP said nothing about being after a night out, a bit quick to assume she was drunk at the time.
And there are a huge amount of people using taxis for reasons other than getting home from pubs/clubs

No he didn't but the vast majority of driver issues I've heard are at night when more people use taxi's so that's when they seem to occur; I have heard of them daytime as well to rest your mind Any driver I've known who has called upon the cops over non payment has seen them side with the driver; I'd strongly suspect that this would be the case here too, meter aside.

You could well see the taxi diver clapped in irons for breaking the law and not using the meter but the most likely outcome if any garda was asked to attend would be the passenger gets a free lift while the taxi driver gets a stern warning about the taxi regulations as well as a warning of the penalties for wasting gardai time!

God bless your ears Losty Dublin for al the stuff they hear.

markpb

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Any driver I've known who has called upon the cops over non payment has seen them side with the driver; I'd strongly suspect that this would be the case here too, meter aside.

Did those guys happen to pass a Garda on foot and ask them to become involved or did they stop the car, lock the door, call the Gardai and wait for them to arrive?

Losty Dublin

markpb wrote: »

Did those guys happen to pass a Garda on foot and ask them to become involved or did they stop the car, lock the door, call the Gardai and wait for them to arrive?

I can't tell you but it's rather easy to track a punter who short changes a driver if they go into a building or their house while leaving a driver short Certainly, all radio companies of note have a distress code that can be called up if need be. Gardaí tend to be fairly prompt when it comes to calls relating to public transport while in town and city centres there are usually Gardaí on hand close by if need be.

murphaph

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I can't tell you but it's rather easy to track a punter who short changes a driver if they go into a building or their house while leaving a driver short Certainly, all radio companies of note have a distress code that can be called up if need be. Gardaí tend to be fairly prompt when it comes to calls relating to public transport while in town and city centres there are usually Gardaí on hand close by if need be.

Nobody is being left short if no hiring took place. I think we all know why a taxi driver might "forget" to turn the meter on :rolleyes:

For the record, I think GPs, solicitors etc. should have "meters" as well

oisindoyle

murphaph wrote: »

Nobody is being left short if no hiring took place. I think we all know why a taxi driver might "forget" to turn the meter on :rolleyes:

Do we? please enlighten us

Losty Dublin

murphaph wrote: »

Nobody is being left short if no hiring took place. I think we all know why a taxi driver might "forget" to turn the meter on :rolleyes:

Which is?

Shinaynay

dowlingm wrote: »

In Toronto, no meter turned on, no fare can be collected.
http://www.toronto.ca/taxitraining/pdf/chapter545.pdf

A free ride if the meter is not in a recording position

That's what the law should be in Ireland too - otherwise how can tourists etc who don't know the "going rate" be protected?

sure theres that handy sheet detailing rates, in both English *and* Irish, hidden under a seat to help them out

Yourwellcum

foggy_lad wrote: »

You could well see the taxi diver clapped in irons for breaking the law and not using the meter but the most likely outcome if any garda was asked to attend would be the passenger gets a free lift while the taxi driver gets a stern warning about the taxi regulations as well as a warning of the penalties for wasting gardai time!

God bless your ears Losty Dublin for al the stuff they hear.

No most likely outcome is that most people would have the decency to come to an agreement with the driver without the need for the police.

The minimum fare would be the least the driver would be entitled to. if the passenger refused to pay, the meter could be switched on and that fare demanded.

Spent too many years driving taxis and never got to the end of a journey without having the meter switched on. A few times I forgot to turn the meter on straight away but did so the minute I realised. Never lost more than a few euros.

I dont know why any driver would not turn their meter on. Some people on here just want to think the worst of everyone.

murphaph

oisindoyle wrote: »

Do we? please enlighten us

Anybody that has ever worked even for 10 mins in cash based business can tell you why you might not want to record transactions: no record means a certain taxman gets no cut. There's no need to be so coy. Anyone involved in a purely service for cash based business is a candidate for tax evasion as there's no inputs to the business that can be traced (compared to a corner shop, for example). Same goes for doctors, solicitors (though receipts tend always to be issued by them), barbers etc. etc.

You think your local barber declares all his income?

oisindoyle

murphaph wrote: »

Anybody that has ever worked even for 10 mins in cash based business can tell you why you might not want to record transactions: no record means a certain taxman gets no cut. There's no need to be so coy. Anyone involved in a purely service for cash based business is a candidate for tax evasion as there's no inputs to the business that can be traced (compared to a corner shop, for example). Same goes for doctors, solicitors (though receipts tend always to be issued by them), barbers etc. etc.

You think your local barber declares all his income?

But as a poster said above "some people on here just want to think the worst of everyone "
The OP said it was a genuine mistake by the driver,you unfotunately seem to want to believe it was done on purpose in order to tax dodge .
Your original comment was "I think we all know why a taxi driver might "forget" to turn the meter on " again you are implying that a taxi driver wants to do something devious .
Why not just accept it as a genuine mistake ?

murphaph

oisindoyle wrote: »

But as a poster said above "some people on here just want to think the worst of everyone "
The OP said it was a genuine mistake by the driver,you unfotunately seem to want to believe it was done on purpose in order to tax dodge .
Your original comment was "I think we all know why a taxi driver might "forget" to turn the meter on " again you are implying that a taxi driver wants to do something devious .
Why not just accept it as a genuine mistake ?

Neither you nor I know whether it was a genuine mistake or not. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. Agreed?

oisindoyle

murphaph wrote: »

Neither you nor I know whether it was a genuine mistake or not. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. Agreed?

No not agreed .The OP thinks it was a genuine mistake and you have to take it as one ,I certaintly do.
If the driver wanted to take a fare without useing the meter,both passenger and driver sign a waiver form and agree on a price.
That didnt happen.
End of story

murphaph

oisindoyle wrote: »

No not agreed .The OP thinks it was a genuine mistake and you have to take it as one ,I certaintly do.
If the driver wanted to take a fare without useing the meter,both passenger and driver sign a waiver form and agree on a price.
That didnt happen.
End of story

Saying "End of story" doesn't make you right. You can't possibly know if the mistake was genuine or otherwise. That is a statement of fact, whether you agree with it or not.

juan.kerr

Very strange that the taxi driver would 'forget' to turn on the meter. I think the OP is maybe being naive to think it was accidental.

mikemac1

The OP spent years working in hotels and seeing people trying to pull fast ones with my till

I'm not being naive, some people are tricksters and everyone makes mistakes now and again.

But then I was there and posters here know more then I do

And one poster reckoned I was drunk

More assumptions in this thread then answers

juan.kerr

mikemac1 wrote: »

I'm not being naive, some people are tricksters and everyone makes mistakes now and again.

I didn't mean that as an insult, I meant more that you are giving them the benefit of the doubt when maybe I wouldn't have. But we weren't there so we didn't see the drivers reaction / bahaviour etc.

weddingcar.ie

juan.kerr wrote: »

Very strange that the taxi driver would 'forget' to turn on the meter. I think the OP is maybe being naive to think it was accidental.

I have driven a taxi for years and it does happen that you forget. Most times you are a mile down the road when you realise and you just hit the button and tell the customer that you forgot. Only once have I made the full journey without the meter been on, I said it to the customer that I had forgot and she gave me what she always paid.
Its an easy mistake to make some people will pay you a euro or so extra to make it up and one or two have laughed and told me how much they have saved by my mistake.

Fuh Q

I drove a Taxi for 10 years, My last Taxi was a wheelchair accessible Taxi with the meter fixed to the roof overhead and being out of my line of sight I have drove off without starting it many times. It would usually happen if I was out of the car helping load up luggage or assisting a wheelchair user into the car especially when you are already interacting with the customers.
Most people are ok with it as they know roughly what the fair should be, I once had a man let me drive from Dame st to Damastown in D15 and he said nothing until I got there and looked up and realized my mistake, I told him the fair was usually around €25 and he could just pay €20, he refused to pay anything so I kept going and brought him back into town. Regardless of the mistake if he was not willing to pay something I was not willing to bring him to his destination.
On a couple of occasions where the customer needed a receipt I would ask them how much they wanted on the receipt and I would go for a spin until the meter reached that amount, it was my mistake so I didnt mind trying to get back on track.
The easiest solution is always to negotiate and compromise .

oisindoyle

Fuh Q wrote: »

I once had a man let me drive from Dame st to Damastown in D15 and he said nothing until I got there and looked up and realized my mistake, I told him the fair was usually around €25 and he could just pay €20, he refused to pay anything so I kept going and brought him back into town. Regardless of the mistake if he was not willing to pay something I was not willing to bring him to his destination. .

So what happened ? what did he say when you were driving back into town.

Fuh Q wrote: »

On a couple of occasions where the customer needed a receipt I would ask them how much they wanted on the receipt and I would go for a spin until the meter reached that amount, it was my mistake so I didnt mind trying to get back on track.

That is the strangest thing I have ever heard !.

SteM

Fuh Q wrote: »

I once had a man let me drive from Dame st to Damastown in D15 and he said nothing until I got there and looked up and realized my mistake, I told him the fair was usually around €25 and he could just pay €20, he refused to pay anything so I kept going and brought him back into town. Regardless of the mistake if he was not willing to pay something I was not willing to bring him to his destination.

This is one of the most bizarre things I've read on boards.ie - it must be a wind up!? Maybe you're better off out of the taxi industry if that's the way you treat the general public.

How long was the journey back into town? How did the punter feel about you wasting his time by bringing him back into town. Why was it up to him to tell you that you hadn't turned your meter on? Like you said - it was YOUR mistake.

I would have been straight onto the phone to the guards while being trapped in the car back into town with you. I hope you're in an industry now where you don't deal with the public at all.

Our man in Havana

The punter would have a great false imprisonment claim. Does taxi insurance cover such claims?

bmaxi

Nothing a taxi driver would say surprises me. I had the misfortune to scrape off one in a supermarket car park leaving a four inch scratch which was so slight it was barely noticeable. Got a bill for €2000 to include loss of earnings as I was told, the car couldn't be used while it was scratched. I'm not sure how true this is as I've seen taxis operating with much greater damage but my insurance company paid up without even asking. Seemed like a scam to me so "forgetting" the meter would be another one IMO.

who_me

dowlingm wrote: »

That's what the law should be in Ireland too - otherwise how can tourists etc who don't know the "going rate" be protected?

Good point. This can be an honest mistake, and most 'locals' would happily pay the normal rate, but tourists could easily be ripped off without any such law. (Though to be honest, I'm not sure how many tourists would know the taxi law in countries they're about to visit).

As someone who was unmercifully screwed by a taxi driver on a previous holiday, I think such a law is a very good idea.

Losty Dublin

bmaxi wrote: »

Nothing a taxi driver would say surprises me. I had the misfortune to scrape off one in a supermarket car park leaving a four inch scratch which was so slight it was barely noticeable. Got a bill for €2000 to include loss of earnings as I was told, the car couldn't be used while it was scratched.

If the taxi was in the panel beaters getting repaired, it obviously can't be driven till it's returned.

Bummer1234

Got a taxi one night from Dame street up to near Gardiner Street upper in Dublin, Was speaking the whole way with him and was alone, He noticed when we got to the destination that he forgot to stick on the meter and charged me €5, He was really sound and it just depends on the driver id say.

KERSPLAT!

I was in a taxi with a few friends before. The journey normally cost €12-€15 so when the taxi driver tried to charge €25 we refused as he didn't have the meter on and he couldn't provide a reciept, so what did he do...

Drove us all the way back to the pickup location, put the meter on and drove us to the destination again! Worked out at about €15! We were fairly pissed (drunk, not angry) and had a laugh with him but id imagine someone traveling alone wouldn't of found it as funny

bmaxi

Losty Dublin wrote: »

If the taxi was in the panel beaters getting repaired, it obviously can't be driven till it's returned.

The actual cost of repair didn't suggest a lengthy stay in a panel beaters, half an hour with a bottle of T cut would have been sufficient for most people. I have done enough body repairs to cars over the years to be able to tell when I'm being scammed, I've seen scratches on taxis, caused by loading and unloading the boot, which amounted to much worse than the damage done to this car.
The suggestion made to me was not that the car couldn't be driven while it was being repaired but rather that it couldn't be driven until it was repaired. If this is the case, and it has so far not been verified, it's just another example of idiotic bureaucracy.

Losty Dublin

bmaxi wrote: »

The actual cost of repair didn't suggest a lengthy stay in a panel beaters, half an hour with a bottle of T cut would have been sufficient for most people. I have done enough body repairs to cars over the years to be able to tell when I'm being scammed, I've seen scratches on taxis, caused by loading and unloading the boot, which amounted to much worse than the damage done to this car. The suggestion made to me was not that the car couldn't be driven while it was being repaired but rather that it couldn't be driven until it was repaired. If this is the case, and it has so far not been verified, it's just another example of idiotic bureaucracy.

In which case, your gripe is with your insurance company though they had good reason for disagreeing with your expert analysis :rolleyes:

mikemac1

If you claim loss of earnings do insurance companies look for tax returns?

bmaxi

Losty Dublin wrote: »

In which case, your gripe is with your insurance company though they had good reason for disagreeing with your expert analysis :rolleyes:

What a puerile reply, you know me so well as to be able to form an opinion on my expertise?
It's a toss up as to which is the bigger greater sin, accepting a scam or perpetrating it but it doesn't make it any less a scam. Insurance companies will quite often not even send out a claims assessor if the claim is below a certain figure. Some people are aware of this and I'd hazard a guess quite a few of them drive taxis, hence the ability of taxi drivers to produce witnesses from dry dust.

Losty Dublin

mikemac1 wrote: »

If you claim loss of earnings do insurance companies look for tax returns?

Nope, it's a fixed amount they pay out on a day by day basis.

oisindoyle

bmaxi wrote: »

Nothing a taxi driver would say surprises me. I had the misfortune to scrape off one in a supermarket car park leaving a four inch scratch which was so slight it was barely noticeable. Got a bill for €2000 to include loss of earnings as I was told, the car couldn't be used while it was scratched. I'm not sure how true this is as I've seen taxis operating with much greater damage but my insurance company paid up without even asking. Seemed like a scam to me so "forgetting" the meter would be another one IMO.

A four inch scratch is not slight and is very noticable.
Rather than come onto a forum and complain and tar all taxi drivers in a bad light you would be far better off either offering to fix the "slight scratch" yourself since you have done "enough body repairs to cars over the years" or take up your complaint with the insurance company

bmaxi

oisindoyle wrote: »

A four inch scratch is not slight and is very noticable.
Rather than come onto a forum and complain and tar all taxi drivers in a bad light you would be far better off either offering to fix the "slight scratch" yourself since you have done "enough body repairs to cars over the years" or take up your complaint with the insurance company

That opportunity wasn't afforded to me, presumably because that wouldn't fit with the scam. I'm well versed in what constitutes a superficial scratch and what does not and whether or not I have reason to complain to my insurance company is irrelevant. Unreasoned defence of scams by people who may suffer guilt by association only encourages them.

oisindoyle

bmaxi wrote: »

That opportunity wasn't afforded to me, presumably because that wouldn't fit with the scam. I'm well versed in what constitutes a superficial scratch and what does not and whether or not I have reason to complain to my insurance company is irrelevant. Unreasoned defence of scams by people who may suffer guilt by association only encourages them.

If you feel/felt it was a scam and had proof of such ,why didnt you go to the Gardai ,especially since you are "well versed in what constitutes a superficial scratch".
Most people wouldn't think twice about complaining to their insurance company or think it was irrelevant for that company to pay out 2000euro for a "superficial scratch" as you put it.

bmaxi

oisindoyle wrote: »

If you feel/felt it was a scam and had proof of such ,why didnt you go to the Gardai ,especially since you are "well versed in what constitutes a superficial scratch".
Most people wouldn't think twice about complaining to their insurance company or think it was irrelevant for that company to pay out 2000euro for a "superficial scratch" as you put it.

Call the Gardaí, really? I think I'll let that suggestion stand on it's own merits.
As for complaining to my insurance company, you should know that once you submit an official claim to your insurance company, they become the sole arbiter of how the claim is settled.
It is obvious to me that the driver in question was not interested in simply having his car repaired, otherwise he would, like most motorists in similar circumstances, have allowed me the opportunity to have the repair done myself but was aware that more money could be made from an insurance claim.

oisindoyle

bmaxi wrote: »

Call the Gardaí, really? I think I'll let that suggestion stand on it's own merits..

Well yes really.You are convienced it was a "scam" and by definition it was deceitful and fraud so it merits a Gardai investigation .I presume you can furnish them with proof.

bmaxi wrote: »

As for complaining to my insurance company, you should know that once you submit an official claim to your insurance company, they become the sole arbiter of how the claim is settled..

That doesn't prevent you from complaining to them since it is going to affect your premium.Since you know "it was a scam" they would have taken your belief on board.

bmaxi wrote: »

It is obvious to me that the driver in question was not interested in simply having his car repaired, otherwise he would, like most motorists in similar circumstances, have allowed me the opportunity to have the repair done myself but was aware that more money could be made from an insurance claim.

He told you that did he ?

bmaxi

oisindoyle wrote: »

Well yes really.You are convienced it was a "scam" and by definition it was deceitful and fraud so it merits a Gardai investigation .I presume you can furnish them with proof.



That doesn't prevent you from complaining to them since it is going to affect your premium.Since you know "it was a scam" they would have taken your belief on board.



He told you that did he ?

Yes, he did tell me that, that was his prerogative. If all he was interested in was recompense then why insist on going that route? He had witnesses, I wasn't denying it, the outcome, vis a vis his car would have been the same.
Whether my claim was €2000 or €200 my bonus would have been affected, a claim is a claim. You seem to just want to ignore that the settlement included padding which insurance companies build in, just like set payments for broken limbs. Except in exceptional cases, insurance claims are paid by tables, it's a question of getting your claim into the highest table.
I suggest next time you witness a minor scrape in a supermarket car park you take it upon yourself to inform AGS, don't forget to hang around for their response but be sure to arrange food parcels.

oisindoyle

bmaxi wrote: »

Yes, he did tell me that, that was his prerogative. If all he was interested in was recompense then why insist on going that route? He had witnesses, I wasn't denying it, the outcome, vis a vis his car would have been the same. .

You answered your question already "it was his prerogative".
So where was the "scam".

bmaxi wrote: »

Whether my claim was €2000 or €200 my bonus would have been affected, a claim is a claim. You seem to just want to ignore that the settlement included padding which insurance companies build in, just like set payments for broken limbs. Except in exceptional cases, insurance claims are paid by tables, it's a question of getting your claim into the highest table..

I'm ignoreing nothing .i am just going by what you told us of this "scam".
An insurance company that includes "padding which insurance companys build in" is a to do with the insurance business not those involved in an accident .It is a spearate issue.

bmaxi wrote: »

I suggest next time you witness a minor scrape in a supermarket car park you take it upon yourself to inform AGS, don't forget to hang around for their response but be sure to arrange food parcels.

I've better things to do than witness nonsense

bmaxi

oisindoyle wrote: »

You answered your question already "it was his prerogative".
So where was the "scam".



I'm ignoreing nothing .i am just going by what you told us of this "scam".
An insurance company that includes "padding which insurance companys build in" is a to do with the insurance business not those involved in an accident .It is a spearate issue.



I've better things to do than witness nonsense

It would appear not.
I have never made any secret of the fact that I was at fault. Obviously in your desperation to exonerate dishonest behaviour, for whatever reason, you can't accept the evidence.
A scam is to portray something as what it isn't, to take advantage of a situation out of a third party's control, it is not always necessarily an illegal act, more a dishonest one. If you don't consider the actions of the driver dishonest, then thankfully, we don't share the same moral platform.

oisindoyle

bmaxi wrote: »

It would appear not..

I have never made any secret of the fact that I was at fault. Obviously in your desperation to exonerate dishonest behaviour, for whatever reason, you can't accept the evidence...[/QUOTE]

I am not trying to exonerate anyone.You made a statement saying,"Nothing a taxi driver would say surprises me",which by implication tars all taxi divers in a bad light .
You then said your "accident " was a scam ,yet provided no proof that it actually was a scam.
If indeed it was then the Gards should have been informed.

bmaxi wrote: »

A scam is to portray something as what it isn't, to take advantage of a situation out of a third party's control, it is not always necessarily an illegal act, more a dishonest one. If you don't consider the actions of the driver dishonest, then thankfully, we don't share the same moral platform.

Well actually a "scam" is by definition , deceitful and fraud .Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet because a driver whos car you damaged preferred to get it done professionally by a garage ,instead of your option of spit and polish

foggy_lad

€2000 compensation for a days takings yet taxi drivers come on here whinging and crying the poor mouth! It will be a cold day in hell before i tip a taxi driver again!

bmaxi

oisindoyle wrote: »

I have never made any secret of the fact that I was at fault. Obviously in your desperation to exonerate dishonest behaviour, for whatever reason, you can't accept the evidence...

I am not trying to exonerate anyone.You made a statement saying,"Nothing a taxi driver would say surprises me",which by implication tars all taxi divers in a bad light .
You then said your "accident " was a scam ,yet provided no proof that it actually was a scam.
If indeed it was then the Gards should have been informed.



Well actually a "scam" is by definition , deceitful and fraud .Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet because a driver whos car you damaged preferred to get it done professionally by a garage ,instead of your option of spit and polish[/QUOTE]

What part of my definition wouldn't encompass fraud and deception. The offer made to him was to have the car repaired, not to do it myself, the choice of repair shop was up to him, he chose not to cooperate. I didn't say my accident was a scam, how do you equate that with my admitting liability, I said the manner in which he sought compensation was a scam because he knew that more money could be obtained by opting, not for a simple repair but choosing a convoluted approach.
I honestly doubt that you'll find a significant percentage of the travelling public who are endeared to taxi drivers and I'd say a vox pop would reveal that quite a few would feel they've been ripped off by one at some stage so I don't feel isolated in my opinion.