Unpopular opinions

1ZRed

Taken from the AH thread but I think it could be interesting from this perspective.

Do you have any opinions most people here would seem to disagree with?

I think any dating site where you fill in your sexual interests is not a place to hope to find a boyfriend.

fkt

I'm not in favour of gay adoption :eek: ...yet anyway!

It's purely down to my fear that the kids would be bullied!

Richie15

Are we discussing or just stating?

I do agree with gay marriage/adoption, in spite of the possibility of bullying.
Kids are cruel - they bully each other anyway, with or without reason, so why let it run your life?

Chick_chick

I don't think that brunettes should die their hair blonde yet keep their eyebrows brown.

baby and crumble

I judge people who use text speak and poor grammar online.

whattotdo

Sometimes I wish I was born straight,make life alot easier.

bodice ripper

Gay Pride is embarrassing and unhelpful.

Annasopra

I think marriage equality campaigns are middle class and elitist and too dominant within lgbt rights politics and don't accurately reflect the concerns of many lgbt peoples real lives. I'd agree with a lot of this article:

http://www.irishleftreview.org/2008/04/29/wedded-single-option-forsaking-critique-current-drive-sex-marriage/

whattotdo

Probably be killed for this one-Vast majority of gay men are promiscuous.

LegacyUser

I really enjoyed season 1 of The L Word but after that i feel that it becomes very unrealistic (its as if everyone and their mom is a lesbian on that show).On the otherhand i really loved Lip Service because its storylines were more relatable.

Probably a good few would disagree with me on this since The L Word came first and the Lip Service characters initially appeared to be very similiar to the L word ones but its only IMO.

Richie15

whattotdo wrote: »

Vast majority of gay men are promiscuous.

Annasopra

A suggestion (agree or disagree if you want)

Perhaps we could just state opinions and not debate them

1ZRed

whattotdo wrote: »

Probably be killed for this one-Vast majority of gay men are promiscuous.

No shit It's in a man's nature full stop.
Remove the woman and add a man, and you double the promiscuity. Straight men would be just be capable of keeping up with us had women the exact same mentality

what the hell!

Ya I'm not a big fan of gay pride I really don't see the point in it

1ZRed

I don't like gay pride parades on a whole. I get the idea of them and they can do what they like no bother, but most of the time the cross dressing and overly flamboyant attitude/costumes just makes me cringe. Wouldn't hold it against them though.

I also wouldn't like it if we ever became completely politically correct. No fun in that.

baby and crumble

I thought of another one. I find people who go out drinking/partying every weekend to be incredibly dull.

KDII

Talking about how much sex you have/could have is not empowerment, it's distasteful.

wonderfulname

I like the idea of Pride as it is but dislike that in that form it is taken as just being about LGBT people, I wish there were marginalised straight cis people dancing in the street for their right to be as different as they bloody well want without ridicule.

I am grateful to live in a country where Pride is a celebration.

I dislike people emphasising they are "straight acting" or similar, when I read or hear anything to that effect my mind translates it to "I'm gay, but I'm not a poof or anything". Unless you're on a dating site, I don't get why you need to say it.

jaffacakesyum

I think gay pride parades are annoying and counter-productive

I find incredibly camp people very annoying

I resent the fact that as a 'feminine' lesbian it's hard to find women wheras more 'stereotypical' or butch women appear to have it easier in attracting women

I believe heterosexual couples should have 'first choice' over homosexual couples in adoption, given all other things equal (loving parents, good financial situation etc.)

I think it's stupid when people get offended at the phrase "thats so gay"

brokenice

If I could take a pill to be straight I'd take it straight away and even as a gay man I think the idea of same sex parents is wrong.

Butterface

This is quite depressing.. some people talking about their dislike of gay pride parades, and then others wishing they were straight. Hmm..

whattotdo

brokenice wrote: »

If I could take a pill to be straight I'd take it straight away and even as a gay man I think the idea of same sex parents is wrong.

I agree,man and woman can reproduce and as a result they should bring up kids.I would love kids but reality is as a gay man myself and any future partner cant reproduce without a third party.
I dont think same sex parents is wrong but the traditional family should be the first port of call.

bodice ripper

Butterface wrote: »

This is quite depressing.. some people talking about their dislike of gay pride parades, and then others wishing they were straight. Hmm..

care to expand on why it is depressing?

Annasopra

Butterface wrote: »

This is quite depressing.. some people talking about their dislike of gay pride parades, and then others wishing they were straight. Hmm..

Nah lgbt people are diverse. I completely understand why some people don't like pride parades or would want to be straight if they had a choice. I understand but don't agree. There are more things in the world to be depressed about.

jaydoxx

wtf is a traditional family? do you mean traditional as in having multiple partners in order to maximise the chances of having males? or do you mean traditional where we sell our daughters and give all our land to our first born male? or perhaps you mean traditional asian family? Where we are close knit and share our homes with 3+ generations in the same building?

If there are 100 orphaned children and 100 suitable parents willing to adopt them, who cares what selection of genitals the parents have?

Richie15

jaydoxx wrote: »

...who cares what selection of genitals the parents have?

Theoretically, the majority of Irish adults do, which is why the government (who represent us when making laws) haven't changed the situation.

In practice, I have no idea.

jaydoxx

I don't think theres ever been a referendum on it before though?
So I'm not too sure that many people are actually against it.

keepkeyyellow

I hate gay guys who complain about flamboyant gays. What counts as flamboyant? I'm helping my dad build a wall one day but then in college doing my assignments with pink highlighters and One Direction gel pens, is that flamboyant? It makes me feel self-conscious.

1ZRed

I don't get guys that don't like anal. Yeah the rest would be good fun but I just wouldn't feel like I was properly getting off without it if I wanted sex.

The rest is just foreplay to me.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

1ZRed wrote: »

I don't get guys that don't like anal.

They take the phrase "tight ass" to a whole new and more literal level.

/exits.

ButtimersLaw

baby and crumble wrote: »

I judge people who use text speak and poor grammar online.

Everyone judges everyone else, so your opinion is not unpopular.

There are those who like to tick others off and tell them not to be "judgmental" (the irony being that it is a judgment to judge someone else is being judgmental :-)) , but it's simply not possible to turn off our faculties of judgment, nor is it desirable.

We are all judgmental and should not apologise for it.

foggy_lad

You can't be a real gay man unless you take it in the ass like everyone else is getting it in this recession.

ButtimersLaw

Maybe sometimes it's more fun to be an unreal gay man than just a real one.

floggg

Life is good and I'm happy with my lot in life. I don't think I'd rather be any other way. If I was straight I wouldn't be the person I am today.

Oh and not all gay men are shallow promiscuous and sex crazed.

Seems to be a very unpopular opinion around here!

Chick_chick

mango salsa wrote: »

I think marriage equality campaigns are middle class and elitist and too dominant within lgbt rights politics and don't accurately reflect the concerns of many lgbt peoples real lives. I'd agree with a lot of this article:

http://www.irishleftreview.org/2008/04/29/wedded-single-option-forsaking-critique-current-drive-sex-marriage/

Just read that article and it's the best most realistic argument that I've read. It's a wonder that the points in it haven't been taken on board by the marriage equality mainstream.

floggg

mango salsa wrote: »

I think marriage equality campaigns are middle class and elitist and too dominant within lgbt rights politics and don't accurately reflect the concerns of many lgbt peoples real lives. I'd agree with a lot of this article:

http://www.irishleftreview.org/2008/04/29/wedded-single-option-forsaking-critique-current-drive-sex-marriage/

Then get together with other like minded infividuals and start your own campaign. Middle class white people campaign on it because its something they feel passionately about.

If you disagree with them, find your own voice. Don't expect them to adopt your cause in the name if diversity.

CdeC

I don't really like the term gay community. Never really felt part of one.

PS : If someone offered me a pill to make me straight no way would I take it!!

Chick_chick

floggg wrote: »

Don't expect them to adopt your cause in the name if diversity.

So marriage equality only represent one type of gay person? wow!!!! :eek:

Fozzydog3

There's a circus of about 15 or so people that have the LGBT forum ruined because they think they own it .

and I've no unpopular opinions

ButtimersLaw

mango salsa wrote: »

I think marriage equality campaigns are middle class and elitist and too dominant within lgbt rights politics and don't accurately reflect the concerns of many lgbt peoples real lives. I'd agree with a lot of this article:

http://www.irishleftreview.org/2008/04/29/wedded-single-option-forsaking-critique-current-drive-sex-marriage/

I am not sure if you are joking or being serious here, but to use "middle class" as a reason to dislike an idea or some people, seems as unbalanced as to dislike an idea or a person for being working class, or upper class.

I assume you are trying to make a joke, as I had thought class was no longer an issue in Ireland, and to invoke what we think of as someone else's "class" as a weapon with which to beat them, even if meant as a joke, seems outdated and might be thought of as provocative and even, by some, as offensive.

Do you really think in those terms, or did you mean it as a joke?

floggg

Chick_chick wrote: »

floggg wrote: »

Don't expect them to adopt your cause in the name if diversity.

So marriage equality only represent one type of gay person? wow!!!! :eek:

No. Don't twist words. But lots of people see marriage and marriage equality as something important. To me, it seems like the biggest step towards equality that we could take, so I've gotten involved with ME in the best.

If others think its an elitist middle class misdirection, then instead of criticising the efforts of ME etc who do an awful lot of good work for something they believe strongly in, why not take some positive concrete steps to bring issues which you feel are more important to the fore.

They may not share your priorities but they are at least trying to do something positive. It's not up to them to take it upon themselves to advance causes which they may not necessarily feel as strongly about as you do.

Chick_chick

Another unpopular opinion, I think cricket is a really entertaining sport.

And if it was widely played in schools, it would go a long way to encouraging more patience in young lads and girls.

bodice ripper

LGBT people (or at least the most vocal ones....) are way too sensitive and completely lack a sense of humour.

wonderfulname

ButtimersLaw wrote: »

I am not sure if you are joking or being serious here, but to use "middle class" as a reason to dislike an idea or some people, seems as unbalanced as to dislike an idea or a person for being working class, or upper class.

It means that it focuses on the situation and needs of the middle classes more so than everyone else. It is a genuine issue to take with the gay rights movement in the western world, alongside the marginalisation of everyone else who's not a middle class white man of a certain age.

ButtimersLaw

wonderfulname wrote: »

It means that it focuses on the situation and needs of the middle classes more so than everyone else. It is a genuine issue to take with the gay rights movement in the western world, alongside the marginalisation of everyone else who's not a middle class white man of a certain age.

With respect, it's hard to read what the poster actually said to get to your interpretation of it. Indeed, it's not even clear why you think you are able to interpret the poster, rather than actually reading what the poster said, and it's noticeable you don't quote what the poster said, and show how you think he was taken out of context, but instead give us your interpretation of what you think he may have meant, rather than what he actually said. What was siad was

mango salsa wrote: »

I think marriage equality campaigns are middle class and elitist and too dominant within lgbt rights politics

I am horrified by the claim that marriage equality campaigns are “middle class and elitist”.

mango salsa wrote: »

I think marriage equality campaigns are middle class and elitist and too dominant within lgbt rights politics and don't accurately reflect the concerns of many lgbt peoples real lives.

Further, its outrageous to say that, because someone is “middle class and elitist” they can't accurately reflect the concerns of others. For example, many solicitors & barristers espouse the views and causes of others every day in court, and I have never heard it suggests that the backgroud class of a particular solicitor or barrister makes him or her unsuitable to do so. Any such suggestion would be, quite rightly, outrageous.


It's fine to argue with a belief, or a position or even a cherished view. But to say that the reason marriage equality campaigns are too dominant is because those espousing them are “middle class and elitist” says more about the way the person who makes that claim thinks, than about the actuality of the situation.


Factually, it's not even true as many people espousing support for marriage equality are not middle class, nor “elitist” (whatever elitist means in the context).

1ZRed

bodice ripper wrote: »

LGBT people (or at least the most vocal ones....) are way too sensitive and completely lack a sense of humour.

I think some of them are just a bit disconnected from the rest of us and focus on, and see things from, a gay perspective only. As in, our sexuality means fuck all and is a small part of many of us but not necessarily them.

Some views on "that's so gay" and homophobic language was an example of that. And worst of all you get told off if you don't see them as always bad.

stephen_n

ButtimersLaw wrote: »

Further, its outrageous to say that, because someone is “middle class and elitist” they can't accurately reflect the concerns of others. For example, many solicitors & barristers espouse the views and causes of others every day in court, and I have never heard it suggests that the backgroud class of a particular solicitor or barrister makes him or her unsuitable to do so. Any such suggestion would be, quite rightly, outrageous.

Not sure what point you are trying to make with this? As it seems counter-intuitive considering, that particular cohort predominantly hail from, middle class and upper middle class elitist backgrounds. Also what relevance does someone who gets paid to champion a cause have in the debate at hand?


I wouldn't see marriage equality as a particularly middle class issue, however it does receive a disproportionate amount of coverage in my opinion!

wonderfulname

Mod: Okay, to a degree it's my own fault for engaging, but this is not the thread to discuss bias in the gay rights movement or homophobic language, let's try keep this to statements of opinion.

If someone wants to start a thread on the former I'll be more than happy to explain my position.

Countess Markievicz

I am not a fan of Ellen Degeneres

ButtimersLaw

stephen_n wrote: »

I wouldn't see marriage equality as a particularly middle class issue

I have to say i agree, and I don't see any issue as a "class" issue. I try to judge issues on their merits, and not on the perceived class of the person making the argument.

baby and crumble

Countess Markievicz wrote: »

I am not a fan of Ellen Degeneres

TREASON!!!!