child snatch?

blingrhino

anybody hear about two people in a black volkswagen trying to lure kids into a car in dunleer over the last few days.male and a female occupant.

gipi

Saw posts on facebook about it, heard nothing official though.

whelan1

was also supposed to be a white van in monasterboice on sunday

eviltwin

I heard about this on another site. It was mentioned on LMFM and involved a car with an 05 LH plate. Don't know anything else though, sorry.

event

Im not divulging names or any details etc, but I can tell ye what happened in these.

There was a black car/van, (could be a VW) registration 05 LH in Dunleer, beechwood drive area, close to the play ground. They tried to talk to some young girls and get them to come over to them. they knew one of the wee girls by name, she did not recognise them.

There was an incident with a white van in monasterboice. They tried to lure two boys to the van with the promise of sweets. In this instance, they drove onto someones driveway, thinking there was no one in the house (no cars).

Obviously I dont want to alarm people, but just be vigilant

kormak

Holy sh!t!! could this be people's imagination overreacting with the April Jones news story?
I really hope there's no sick f*cks driving around attempting to chat to or lure kids into vans. I'll have no problem whatsoever in making them regret it

event

see my post kormac, it has happened unfortunately

testicle

I bet it was Larry Murphy

whelan1

heard that the case in dunleer was totally mistaken, was not an attempted abduction

rogieop

i listen to the news on lmfm every evening and morning.

Not mentioned once.

im invisible

thread disappoints

tony81

event wrote: »

They tried to lure two boys to the van with the promise of sweets.

Was there sweets at least?

cournioni

To all the "comedians" on here:

After Hours is this way----> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Next person with an off topic post is getting a week long ban.

Bosh

And the twat who set this up is really helping..:(

Facebook

peejay1986

My auntie was informed about this by her daughter's school. They're telling parents to be vigilant.

mr_staggerlee

Bosh wrote: »

And the twat who set this up is really helping..:(

Facebook

l have to say that comment seems a bit steep, there are many of these motorists groups, aimed at avoiding and making motorists aware not abetting criminals.
But then l'm not a :eek:garda

Scotty #

peejay1986 wrote: »

My auntie was informed about this by her daughter's school. They're telling parents to be vigilant.

I hope they also told them to be vigilante of their neighbours dog (or their own for that matter), climbing trees, rivers and lakes, speeding cars, riding their bikes?? Because all of those things pose a FAR greater threat to children. Child molesters/murderers are well well well down the list on bad things that are likely happen to your child.

Bosh

mr_staggerlee wrote: »

l have to say that comment seems a bit steep, there are many of these motorists groups, aimed at avoiding and making motorists aware not abetting criminals.
But then l'm not a :eek:garda

I would happily take your point, except if you read below which is taken from the page, it purports to help motorists avoid penalty points:


And I quote:

A group of like minded individuals in the Louth And Monaghan area who are interested in preventing points on their licences by posting up any Garda Checkpoints or Speed Traps Van Or Cars Customs Or Rsa on the roads of Louth And Monaghan.
Description
We welcome posts on sighting of Cam-vans, unmarked speed trap cars, custom stops, garda checkpoints or rsa or anything else that might cause you delays in getting home and garda checkpoints louth and monaghan and speed vans new text alert the number is 0864477697 this is for people who cant get there facebook on there fones they can text it in and we do the work thanks...........


Neither Customs or RSA give penalty points. I can see where up to date info on road closures can be of benefit but to use it as an excuse to give warning of checkpoints etc. is dubious in the extreme.

Several postings are along the line of 'Garda car driving here' or 'Garda car turning there'. How is this helping prevent someone get penalty points?

And as for posting the location of an armed response unit...:rolleyes:

It's irresponsible and can only be of benefit of those who have good reason not to be stopped.

event

lets not turn this into a discussion of the facebook group

its made independent.ie

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/parents-on-alert-after-strangers-approach-children-3255618.html

Fighting Irish

cournioni wrote: »

To all the "comedians" on here:

After Hours is this way----> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Next person with an off topic post is getting a week long ban.

:pac:

peejay1986

Scotty # wrote: »

I hope they also told them to be vigilante of their neighbours dog (or their own for that matter), climbing trees, rivers and lakes, speeding cars, riding their bikes?? Because all of those things pose a FAR greater threat to children. Child molesters/murderers are well well well down the list on bad things that are likely happen to your child.

Doubt it. All those things are part of every day life and stuff that parents should be well used to dealing with (whether they're a bigger risk or not).

Quit trying to make out that it's anything other than a 'heads up' to parents. Good on the school for doing so. I'd imagine if I was a parent I'd want to know of such rumours. Kicks him the message that such things COULD happen.

cournioni

Fighting Irish wrote: »

:pac:

You had been warned. Banned for a week.

kormak

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/irishsunnews/4591734/Lollipop-freak-tried-to-abduct-my-girl-4.html

Another attempted child abduction in Louth this week?!
Time to increase awareness with the small ones... as a parent I know how easily this could happen to any 4/5 yr old.
You don't wanna scare them but the message has to be hammered home somehow all the same.

locum-motion

kormak wrote: »

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/irishsunnews/4591734/Lollipop-freak-tried-to-abduct-my-girl-4.html

Another attempted child abduction in Louth this week?!
Time to increase awareness with the small ones... as a parent I know how easily this could happen to any 4/5 yr old.
You don't wanna scare them but the message has to be hammered home somehow all the same.

Your use of the word "another" seems a bit odd, since the very article you're quoting dismisses the Dunleer one as "not suspicious". Given the Sun's usual policy of whipping up fear of everything, if they say it's not suspicious, then I would read that as "totally innocuous".
Also, if the girl walked into the house with a lolly, wouldn't that suggest that - whatever he was at - he WASN'T trying to lure her into the car? So maybe he thought he was talking to the neighbour's kid whose daddy he DID know, or something like that.

kormak

locum-motion wrote: »

Your use of the word "another" seems a bit odd, since the very article you're quoting dismisses the Dunleer one as "not suspicious". Given the Sun's usual policy of whipping up fear of everything, if they say it's not suspicious, then I would read that as "totally innocuous".
Also, if the girl walked into the house with a lolly, wouldn't that suggest that - whatever he was at - he WASN'T trying to lure her into the car? So maybe he thought he was talking to the neighbour's kid whose daddy he DID know, or something like that.

Dunleer incident turned out to be a misunderstanding, however there has been a confirmed incident of suspicous behaviour @ Monasterboice.
RTE drivetime have also reported the Clogherhead incident on their radio show... so not just the ragmags "whipping up fear".
Thanks for your cynicism but I'll continue to remain vigilant for safety of my kids.

Scotty #

kormak wrote: »

there has been a confirmed incident of suspicous behaviour.

Either it's a suspicion or a confirmation, can't be both.

kormak wrote: »

I'll continue to remain vigilant for safety of my kids.

Kormac it's not something you should dwell on too much. The chances of your child being harmed intentionally by a stranger are so remote they are almost non existent. Yes,of course it happens but very very rarely. The chances are one in hundreds of millions. It really really annoys me to hear of schools sending out letters warning parents of "white vans in the area" when accident and emergency rooms all over the country are full of kids injured in road accidents because there parents didn't bother their holes straping them in right or at all. When was the last time they sent a letter home about that? That's nothing to do with the school you might say... well no more so than white vans in the area. My point is if the school want to send letters home regarding the safety of our children they should pick a more likely and imminent danger.

The fact is - no child was abducted in Louth last week or the last time one of these threads appeared or the time before that. These threads are nothing more than rumours that create an illogical fear. That's scaremongering.

event

Scotty # wrote: »

The fact is - no child was abducted in Louth last week or the last time one of these threads appeared or the time before that. These threads are nothing more than rumours that create an illogical fear. That's scaremongering.

Whilst no child was taken, the incident in monasterboice was quite real and only failed cos the kid ran away.

Yea, we don't want panic but it does no harm to have another wee chat with your kids about strangers

I find these hard to believe to be honest.

I've seen a friend in Cork's facebook page and he has people posting similar. Someone in Dublin, too. A white van man is the usual culprit.
I'd say they're just doing the rounds. In these days of "everyone's a paedophile if they look at a child for more than a second" I doubt many people are driving around offering children sweets out of their car window, in built up estates, and playgrounds.


Of course, I agree that everyone should have a word with their children about strangers, but I don't think the chances of it happening are high at all.

event

You find what hard to believe?

Scotty #

event wrote: »

You find what hard to believe?

That paedophiles have such a low success rate when it comes to snatching a child. It can't be that hard to do and yet we have hundreds and hundreds of 'real attempts' but they never seem to get them. Don't you find that peculiar? Orrrr.... could it be that 99.99999999% of these rumours are not attempted abductions at all!?!

Deleted User wrote: »

In these days of "everyone's a paedophile if they look at a child for more than a second" I doubt many people are driving around offering children sweets out of their car window, in built up estates, and playgrounds.

A buddy of mine lives near Donabate beach. He's 29. Last year on one of the hottest days of the year he was walking along the beach with his Mrs. They've no kids. The beach was absolutely packed with people enjoying the good weather. Suddenly he felt this hand grab onto his and turned around to see this little 3 or 4 year old girl in a bikini latch on to him. She was crying and very distressed, obviously lost. Bill's (not real name) natural reaction was to put his arms down and pick the little one up but before he had a chance to his Mrs had pulled the little ones hand away and grabbed Bills arm to lead him away. The little one followed them crying, for some reason seeing some kind of security in Bill. Bill asked his Mrs what the problem was and she said to keep walking away.

When they were telling me this story I was quiet shocked by his Mrs's reaction but she explained that she was so terrified that if someone from this girls family saw Bill picking up the child they would accuse him of trying to snatch her. I think this is a really really sad example of how illogically terrified society has become of something that's so so rare, it's not worth the worry.

As it happens, Bill did pick up the child and her mother came straight over. She had seen the whole thing and while the child thought she was lost, she was actually in her mothers sights the whole time. She just couldn't hear her calling her. The mother thanked Bill and they all went on their way.

event

Scotty # wrote: »

That paedophiles have such a low success rate when it comes to snatching a child. It can't be that hard to do and yet we have hundreds and hundreds of 'real attempts' but they never seem to get them. Don't you find that peculiar? Orrrr.... could it be that 99.99999999% of these rumours are not attempted abductions at all!?!

well no, we dont have "hundreds and hundreds" of "real attempts".
in this thread we happen to have two initially. one seems to have been a mistake, one was real.

i dont see the issue

Scotty #

event wrote: »

well no, we dont have "hundreds and hundreds" of "real attempts".
in this thread we happen to have two initially. one seems to have been a mistake, one was real.

i dont see the issue

According to the Sun (so it must be true:rolleyes:) the car pulled up in a short cul de sac as seen by lots of witnesses and spoke to a child. Gave the child a sweet and drove off.

Correct?

I don't see any evidence to show this was an attempt at abduction? It could have been totally innocent (but lets lynch him just in case).

event

Scotty # wrote: »

According to the Sun (so it must be true:rolleyes:) the car pulled up in a short cul de sac as seen by lots of witnesses and spoke to a child. Gave the child a sweet and drove off.

Correct?

I don't see any evidence to show this was an attempt at abduction? It could have been totally innocent (but lets lynch him just in case).

im not talking about the Sun one, but the one in monasterboice

event

event wrote: »

well no, we dont have "hundreds and hundreds" of "real attempts".
in this thread we happen to have two initially. one seems to have been a mistake, one was real.

i dont see the issue

But according to the likes of Facebook its happening everywhere at the moment. There's attempted abductions galore all across the country. I'm pretty sure that's what he (and I) was referring to.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

But according to the likes of Facebook

Exactly.

event

Deleted User wrote: »

But according to the likes of Facebook its happening everywhere at the moment. There's attempted abductions galore all across the country. I'm pretty sure that's what he (and I) was referring to.

fair enough.

tbh, im not too concerned about what others are posting on facebook about all around the country.
I've only ever been talking about whats happening around the louth area

kormak

Scotty # wrote: »

Either it's a suspicion or a confirmation, can't be both.

Kormac it's not something you should dwell on too much. The chances of your child being harmed intentionally by a stranger are so remote they are almost non existent. Yes,of course it happens but very very rarely. The chances are one in hundreds of millions. It really really annoys me to hear of schools sending out letters warning parents of "white vans in the area" when accident and emergency rooms all over the country are full of kids injured in road accidents because there parents didn't bother their holes straping them in right or at all. When was the last time they sent a letter home about that? That's nothing to do with the school you might say... well no more so than white vans in the area. My point is if the school want to send letters home regarding the safety of our children they should pick a more likely and imminent danger.

The fact is - no child was abducted in Louth last week or the last time one of these threads appeared or the time before that. These threads are nothing more than rumours that create an illogical fear. That's scaremongering.

I know neighbours of the kids in Monasterboice where the incident occured and believe me it was very real and frightening for the kids involved...
No point in going into detail on a public forum and before you assume something... No, I'm not one of these parents that scares my kids sh!tless with these sorta scenarios... but I'm quite happy to remain vigilant none the less and I also think it serves no harm in the local schools doing the same.

ps. I fully take your points on board re hysteria (see my initial comments in this thread).
I'm sure there are incidents and rumours out there which are literally snowballing out of control...

locum-motion

kormak wrote: »

... out there which are literally snowballing out of control...

Whatever they may be doing, they're definitely NOT doing it "literally".
They may perhaps be doing it "figuratively" or "metaphorically", but not "literally".

blingrhino

holy christ :mad:

kormak

locum-motion wrote: »

Whatever they may be doing, they're definitely NOT doing it "literally".
They may perhaps be doing it "figuratively" or "metaphorically", but not "literally".

Christ on a bike... I didn’t realize we had a linguistics expert in our midst! :rolleyes:

Scotty #

kormak wrote: »

but I'm quite happy to remain vigilant...

... and that's perfectly fine (as long as you have been just as vigilant about all the many many dangerous things that are millions of times more likely to occur).



OT: hate the misuse of literally also... recently heard a sports commentator say player A was literally up player B's backside. I lol'd (literally!).

kormak

Scotty # wrote: »

... and that's perfectly fine (as long as you have been just as vigilant about all the many many dangerous things that are millions of times more likely to occur).
.

I think that comes naturally to most parents!