Road work Blanch South/North roundabout over N3

rolion

Hi,

Seen lately serious activity at the area around N3 bridge, coming from Blanch North/Old Navan roads and Coolmine Cottages!

Any ideea what surprise is waiting for us ,possible few improvements over there as i began avoiding that roundabout at maximum cost and time !


Can any confirm if these are the proposed works:

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Roads/SchemesonDisplay/SchemesPreviouslyonDisplay/N3MulhuddartInterchangeUpgrade/
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056208633

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Files/Roads/09016200.pdf

Thanks.

dodzy

rolion wrote: »

Hi,

Seen lately serious activity at the area around N3 bridge, coming from Blanch North/Old Navan roads and Coolmine Cottages!

Any ideea what surprise is waiting for us ,possible few improvements over there as i began avoiding that roundabout at maximum cost and time !


Can any confirm if these are the proposed works:

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Roads/SchemesonDisplay/SchemesPreviouslyonDisplay/N3MulhuddartInterchangeUpgrade/
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056208633

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Files/Roads/09016200.pdf

Thanks.

Yes, the PDF you have linked to tells all.

Larbre34

It will improve things greatly, however the traffic disruption to the N3 and approaches to that area for the next year and a half will be huge. Wouldnt fancy the Blanch centre around Christmas.....

gabsdot40

Yeah, it's been musical road closures for the past couple of days in Mulhuddart.

T-Maxx

gabsdot40 wrote: »

Yeah, it's been musical road closures for the past couple of days in Mulhuddart.

Ehh no, that's FCC doing resurfacing works on the old Navan Rd and Church Rd - nothing to do with the N3 interchange scheme.

Richard Hillman

I see they are widening the "Westbound off ramp to Blanchardstown Road South". As somebody who crosses the road here every week day along with a lot of school kids this concerns me. Its a very hard road to cross on foot with 2 lanes. The majority of the time you have to wait until either the traffic is backed up or the kindness of 2 drivers at the same time to allow you to cross. 3 lanes will make it extremely hard to cross. Its a struggle for an experienced road crosser like myself :cool: but its very concerning for less experienced and more adventurous school kids crossing the road. At the moment its a bit like an unofficial pedestrian crossing that needs the consent of 2 drivers at the same time. 3 at the same time will be very disastrous. They are going to have to install traffic lights before the roundabout.

Renno

Check out the plans in the link in the original post. Everything will be traffic light controlled - and more importantly there will no longer be a roundabout!

Morag

No longer a round a about it not always a good thing.
The blakestown/hartstown junction is worse now that it's a 'controlled' junction with tailbacks into Mulhuddart village and back to wards the shopping centre.
Reckon it will be awful come the christmas shopping period.

Polar101

Sharrow wrote: »

No longer a round a about it not always a good thing.
The blakestown/hartstown junction is worse now that it's a 'controlled' junction with tailbacks into Mulhuddart village and back to wards the shopping centre.
Reckon it will be awful come the christmas shopping period.

I haven't really noticed it being any worse, when the old roundabout was in place the queue would often go as far as Huntstown. And it doesn't take all that long to queue from the Mulhuddart village side.

Compared to 5 years ago, the local traffic is getting much better with all the new intersections. The shopping centre is still a big problem, especially since everyone wants to go there at around 5 pm.

JoePie

Not a big fan of all this traffic getting diverted from Mulhuddart Village up through Ladyswell. No-one ever takes me into consideration with this stuff.

miamee

They have cut down a huge amount of trees now at the N3 slip roads, both sides for this. Another concrete jungle on the way.
I suppose it is a necessary evil if they are to improve the traffic but I hate seeing bare space where there used to be greenery.

Larbre34

The loss of greenery is necessary to safely carry out the works, the new layout provides for replanting which will mature in a couple of years, so the concrete jungle wont be an issue, for example the planting on the widened M50 has begun to mature nicely, even though a huge amount of the pre-existing landscaping was decimated to build it

jeffk

Going to aldi I see traffic going into Blanch was mental, as far back as the bridge before the building providers. Ok I said that’s busy, but then it was around nine.


Coming back it was just as bad. After a number of cars used the bus lane to get to the slip road, I joined in. to make it worse there was a guarda car in the traffic, you would think they would see this and direct people up the bus lane onto the slip road.


The traffic went as far as the eye could see, then it took 10 minutes to get off the slip road. I think I’ll give the motorway going to navan etc for the next two years if the time I save is lost five minutes from my door.

Dub XV

Was this because of all the rubberneckers looking at a police car and a private car stopped at the hospital slip of the N3?

I hate rubberneckers, there was nothing to see, literally but the 2 minute journey took 25mins.

jeffk

Dub XV wrote: »

Was this because of all the rubberneckers looking at a police car and a private car stopped at the hospital slip of the N3?

I hate rubberneckers, there was nothing to see, literally but the 2 minute journey took 25mins.

Ah so thats what lead or helped lead to it , bumper to bumper on both lanes all the way down .

Also mornings like this morning show why the work needs to be done . People not letting other people out so they can a car further than them .

Larbre34

No, about 9.15 two cars collided in the right most lane of the N3 close to the turn off for Connolly. Traffic hadnt recovered from an earlier delay getting onto the M50 South because of a crash along the M50, so the two problems together meant it took 25 minutes from Clonee to N3/M50 instead of 5. Just one of those mornings

jeffk

stuff like this remind you how good boards is. I know now why there was such a delay , whereas if i didn't post , id just have to guess why !

d15ude

the 2nd bridge is already up (or so it seems to layman).
do we know when the new setup is estimated to be complete?

triple-M

d15ude wrote: »

the 2nd bridge is already up (or so it seems to layman).
do we know when the new setup is estimated to be complete?

I remember last autumn at the start of the works somebody mentioning an 18 month start-finish time

jeffk

"It is anticipated that the works will be completed by February 2014"

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Roads/SchemesonDisplay/N3MulhuddartInterchangeUpgrade/

ronan45

Few extra lanes and a bridge taking 2 years.... What would the egyptians have thought:rolleyes:

wildlifeboy

The pyramids of Egypt took approximately 14 to 20 years to be built. However, to build the Giza complex as a whole pyramid it took about 80 years.

T-Maxx

ronan45 wrote: »

Few extra lanes and a bridge taking 2 years.... What would the egyptians have thought:rolleyes:

No offence man but you've just illustrated:

1. You can't do maths.
2. You either can't read very well or lack comprehension or maybe both.
3. You know nothing about (road) construction.

jeffk

Temporary slip road put in , was fun in the dark trying to use it with all the cones and signs.

triple-M

whats happening to the sliproad coming off the n3 westbound that turns into the centre and kind of curves around the plaza hotel(see red marked area on image for where roadworks are) theres no mention of it on the image of the upgraded junction the footpath has already been rebuilt further away from the existing road

jeffk

triple-M wrote: »

whats happening to the sliproad coming off the n3 westbound that turns into the centre and kind of curves around the plaza hotel(see red marked area on image for where roadworks are) theres no mention of it on the image of the upgraded junction the footpath has already been rebuilt further away from the existing road

Not being smart , but you can always ask the lads doing the work.

I done that coming home one night(slightly drunk) and found out they where testing the ground beside the fly over to put another lane beside it.

January

The roadmarking is there right beside your red line... looks like they'll just be leaving it as it is.

triple-M

jeffk wrote: »

Not being smart , but you can always ask the lads doing the work.

I done that coming home one night(slightly drunk) and found out they where testing the ground beside the fly over to put another lane beside it.

not being smart ,but i-d look strange shouting out the window of a passing bus

jeffk

triple-M wrote: »

not being smart ,but i-d look strange shouting out the window of a passing bus

Very true , do it when your on foot so

triple-M

jeffk wrote: »

Very true , do it when your on foot so

I only ever really pass the centre on my commute I rarely actually go to blanch ;-)

jack presley

triple-M wrote: »

whats happening to the sliproad coming off the n3 westbound that turns into the centre and kind of curves around the plaza hotel(see red marked area on image for where roadworks are) theres no mention of it on the image of the upgraded junction the footpath has already been rebuilt further away from the existing road

Bus lane for buses heading from the centre to the N3 heading towards Navan.

triple-M

jack presley wrote: »

Bus lane for buses heading from the centre to the N3 heading towards Navan.

cool,any links?

jack presley

triple-M wrote: »

cool,any links?

It's written on the map on fingal co co's website. It's a slightly different map to the one you posted, a few bits of extra text etc.

Go to - roads - schemes on display - click link

TheBandicoot

Is there any such bus route currently operating? The 270, maybe?

Larbre34

A good half of Dublin's bus lane network has no services on it, doesn't stop them building more all the same

jack presley

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Is there any such bus route currently operating? The 270, maybe?

I'd imagine it'll be for buses heading to Clonee and Dunboyne etc. that stop off in the centre and this will be quicker for getting back onto the N3 compared to whatever way they do it at the moment (probably out the Quinn building or McDonalds exits?)

triple-M

I-ve heard before that the bus lanes around the S.C were not legally enforceable as they were on privately owned land and also because theres no signs up saying the hours of operation e.g mon-sat 07:00-19:00 ,dont know how true that is although I guess it makes sense,if thats the case would it be the same situation for the new n3 buslane link to the N3?

MugMugs

triple-M wrote: »

I-ve heard before that the bus lanes around the S.C were not legally enforceable as they were on privately owned land and also because theres no signs up saying the hours of operation e.g mon-sat 07:00-19:00 ,dont know how true that is although I guess it makes sense,if thats the case would it be the same situation for the new n3 buslane link to the N3?

It's still a public area. It's not gated.

That slip I believe was getting some gardening works done. A litany of motors have gone crashing through it of late and the shrubs were taken out.

rolion

Since few days ago,there is an issue with the upgrade,i reckon they are going over speed,sorry over the budget as most of the time,going in town or out of town ,there is a collector with clear frame on back window that ask for a donation of 80 if you are over 60 kilograms...anytime,day or night !
Watch your wheel(s) weight !!!

dickwod1

rolion wrote: »

Since few days ago,there is an issue with the upgrade,i reckon they are going over speed,sorry over the budget as most of the time,going in town or out of town ,there is a collector with clear frame on back window that ask for a donation of 80 if you are over 60 kilograms...anytime,day or night !
Watch your wheel(s) weight !!!

I have no idea what you are talking about

rolion

dickwod1 wrote: »

I have no idea what you are talking about

If you get the ideea,then you don't get the points to talk about !

MugMugs

dickwod1 wrote: »

I have no idea what you are talking about

I'd imagine he means a speed camera van has been set in the general vicinity.

jack presley

MugMugs wrote: »

I'd imagine he means a speed camera van has been set in the general vicinity.

I got what he was talking about alright. I too was confused though as to why he just didn't come out and say it. There's a full thread in Motors about speed cameras and speed traps so its not like talking about locations is forbidden on Boards.

triple-M

triple-M wrote: »

I-ve heard before that the bus lanes around the S.C were not legally enforceable as they were on privately owned land and also because theres no signs up saying the hours of operation e.g mon-sat 07:00-19:00 ,dont know how true that is although I guess it makes sense,if thats the case would it be the same situation for the new n3 buslane link to the N3?

I thought this too, but it is not true. All that is required for a bus lane is the markers on the road, and a blue bus lane sign. If no times are posted, it's a 24hr Mon - Sun bus lane

MugMugs wrote: »

It's still a public area. It's not gated.

That slip I believe was getting some gardening works done. A litany of motors have gone crashing through it of late and the shrubs were taken out.

If it is a public place, do the people directing traffic (centre workers) have any authority to direct traffic if it is not a private road?

And if it is a private road, bus lanes are not enforceable.

MugMugs

Deleted User wrote: »

If it is a public place, do the people directing traffic (centre workers) have any authority to direct traffic if it is not a private road?

And if it is a private road, bus lanes are not enforceable.

From S.I. No. 249/2010, (hotel and supermarket car park parks are public places.)

“public place” means—

(a) any public road, and

(b) any street or road or any other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

In relation to those centre workers who "attempt" to direct traffic, I don't believe that they do have the right to do so. But I'm not fully versed on the law covering them so cannot say for sure.

In relation to that slip though, it's most certainly a public place.

Larbre34

MugMugs wrote: »

From S.I. No. 249/2010, (hotel and supermarket car park parks are public places.)

“public place” means—

(a) any public road, and

(b) any street or road or any other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

In relation to those centre workers who "attempt" to direct traffic, I don't believe that they do have the right to do so. But I'm not fully versed on the law covering them so cannot say for sure.

In relation to that slip though, it's most certainly a public place.

That S.I. 249/10 only covers Taxi licencing, it has nothing to do with the definition of a public road in the Roads Act 1993 or the Road Traffic Act 1994 as amended.

Bus Lanes themselves are covered by the 1997/8 Traffic and Parking regs.

The question is whether the road network around the Blanchardstown Centre campus has been taken in charge by Fingal County Council or not. If it hasnt, then the Bus Lanes are unenforceable. From the look of the road markings and crossings around the centre my guess would be a lot of them do not meet traffic sign requirements so are probably not in charge, in which case the bus lanes are unenforceable and the car park attendants can direct traffic as they wish

You would want a declaration from Fingal Co though to be sure!

By the way, the Gardaí had one of their own old-fashioned plain white Speed Camera vans tucked in behind the cones last night on the N3 northbound in the area of the bridge works, saw a few suckers getting flashed ahead of me around 11pm. Two lanes open, no work ongoing, well lit, 60 kph limit a nonsense, cynical and spiteful and totally against their own BS policy of only monitoring in areas with poor safety record......

MugMugs

Larbre34 wrote: »

That S.I. 249/10 only covers Taxi licencing, it has nothing to do with the definition of a public road in the Roads Act 1993 or the Road Traffic Act 1994 as amended.

Apologies, I was pulling from a quick Google on a restricted access PC.

The point remains the same to the query I was answering. The slip is indeed a public place.

dickwod1

MugMugs wrote: »

I'd imagine he means a speed camera van has been set in the general vicinity.

Yeah I was thinking that too but wondering why post in the roadwork section(and then was he on about the roadworks!),
but at least he was trying to be helpful

dickwod1

MugMugs wrote: »

In relation to those centre workers who "attempt" to direct traffic, I don't believe that they do have the right to do so. But I'm not fully versed on the law covering them so cannot say for sure.

AFAIK according to the rules of the road there is three people ... 1) A Garda - 2) A lollipop lady/man - 3) A person in charge of animals

MugMugs

dickwod1 wrote: »

AFAIK according to the rules of the road there is three people ... 1) A Garda - 2) A lollipop lady/man - 3) A person in charge of animals

Do builders not have to apply for permits to deal with traffic control too?

dickwod1

MugMugs wrote: »

Do builders not have to apply for permits to deal with traffic control too?

Maybe that would be for temp traffic lights/signals?