Would you vote If a new political party emerged?

lightspeed

Hi all given how much people have lost faith in democracy and government in this country, just wondering, would more people vote if their was a suitable alternative party to vote for?
I would like to form a new political party in Ireland.
Thee problem i have with this country is that there is no real democracy that actually entertains the will of the people.

FF/FG/Labour are all the same ( If not, pleas provide actual areas that have actually shown
Hi all I would like to form a new political party in Ireland.
Thee problem I have with this country is that there is no real democracy that actually entertains the will of the people.

FF/FG/Labour are all the same ( If not, pleas provide actual areas that have actually shown to differ).

Sinn fein is the closest we have to an alternative but I don't believe in their economic policies. They refuse to consider any reform to child welfare and have never stated where the money will come from if we don't comply with the austerity measures of the troika. I went to a sinn fein meeting once and considered joining but it bothered me that I all I heard mostly was the word "republican". Which I course I expected but they seem out of touch with the current situation. Welfare must be reformed and feel this is more of an economic fact than a political one.

Id like to form a party that forces the banks to comply and actually lend money to people.

Reform child welfare by only granting it to the first two children and only in the form of vouchers that could be spent on food, clothes, school supplies.

Eliminate the housing benefit for single mothers as of now. I know of people who have houses and are renting them out whilst living with their girlfriends house paid mostly by the state. This abuse is widespread and an insult to every working citizen who continues to struggle and pay their mortgage on time.

Reduce the salaries of RTE and reduce Tv license fee. I know of few countries in the world that charge for a TV license and I don't see why Pat Kenny and Ryan Tubridy should be paid more than Jay Leno or the biggest stars in US television.
I'd also like to see a massive reduction to politicians and their pensions. Including the pensions of the previous government who should receive nothing near to the extravagant pensions they now currently receive.

A renegotiation of the croke park deal that actually involves a cut in consultants pay.

A workers lottery that each employee could play each month (should they opt to do so). It would basically be just like the lottery except every cent would go to the revenue. The administration of it may even create jobs. It might be seen as a tax but its at least a democratic one if people can choose whether they would participate or not.

I also like to see a transparent unbiased report carried out into how much could be earned by taxing the mega rich people residing in the country. There has been a sharp increase in the divide between rich and poor. I personally find this disgusting and it needs to be addressed.

I've quite a few other ideas and sure how foolproof they are but one thing I do want is a party that puts the people first and not just demographics for vote buying like every party in this country is doing.

So how could I create a new party and would I get much support?

juan.kerr

But what are you going to do about the deficit? Consultants make up a small fraction of the cost of the public sector.

juan.kerr

lightspeed wrote: »

The administration of it may even create jobs.

Another bloody quango? No thanks. Last thing we need.

lightspeed

im not saying no to austerity, im just saying it needs to be done in a fairer way. Their needs to be huge reform to welfare programmes, Income of the mega rich, banking practices, politicians and their salaries.

I find it unacceptable that we live in a country that give single mothers free houses, child welfare and yet we are closing down hospitals and Garda stations because the country is so broke.
I will pay off the deficit quicker than the present government by cutting money from people who don't deserve or need it and not by cutting it from the disabled or those that care for the disabled as the present government has done or attempted to do.

Id also like to force that banks to lend more money to credible investments to reignite the economy and the property market. Obviously with actual strict measures in place and not a return of the past.

This country cannot put itself on the right track until we eliminate the corrupt inefficient programmes in place regardless of which demographics are currently benefiting from such programmes, be they multi millionaires who don't want any increase in income tax or someone with several children collecting welfare and living in state funded accommodation.

lightspeed

juan.kerr wrote: »

Another bloody quango? No thanks. Last thing we need.

I agree entirely, if it could not be done efficiently, then such a programme should not be done. However, it should not be just instantly disregarded either without consideration. In my job they have pools and fantasy football, and most participate without any discontent with spending €5.00 or €10.00 gambling on a return. I think to myself, could we not have a government lottery where the proceeds go to the running of the country. I think we could and if so it would be democratic and revenue generating for the country.

juan.kerr

The current lottery basically funds stuff that would otherwise be funded by the state.

Take a look here:

http://www.lottery.ie/en/Good-Causes-and-Winners/Good-Causes/

Charities and sports etc. If they didn't get lottery money they'd be receiving direct support from the state in many cases.

nacimroc

There is an massive void for a party that wants into Europe, but not the generation long debt the Germans are forcing on us. But some of your ideas wouldn't be viable. The very wealthy already pay a huge amount in tax (Think I seen somewhere they pay 16% of total tax income for 1% of population. Could be way off). Reducing the RTE budget and politicians pensions is barely worth talking about its such a small number in the big picture. The lotto is just another tax.

Its all about the public sector. Spending 50 billion whilst getting 30 billion is where the whole problem is. As soon as FG/LB touch the PS pay they loose 1/3 of the working population and welcome back FF into power. We need a dictator or someone with balls to make real change. I reckon we have to leave the Euro currency for a while to devalue and right ourselves before joining in 10 years time again.

bijapos

You sound like a populist with policies that you haven't thought through so being a politician should be right up your street. You're in the Shane Ross "rant-at-everything-with-no-credible-alternative" camp and you should do well. Some points though:

lightspeed wrote: »

Sinn fein is the closest we have to an alternative but I don't believe in their economic policies.

They are doing exactly what FG and Labour did in opposition. Oppose everything and promise the sun, moon and stars to the electorate. Then when you get in do carry on with exactly what the others did before you. SF's maths on the economy don't add up.

Reduce the salaries of RTE and reduce Tv license fee. I know of few countries in the world that charge for a TV license and I don't see why Pat Kenny and Ryan Tubridy should be paid more than Jay Leno or the biggest stars in US television.

Leno is on tens of millions a year, Kenny on ca. €750,000, Tubridy on €500,000. First thing if you want an honest party is to get some facts and figures right.

A renegotiation of the croke park deal that actually involves a cut in consultants pay.

Just consultants? Not much of a cut in the overall budget is it. Anyway the whole workings of the Health Service need to be looked at and not just the populistic ones.

A workers lottery that each employee could play each month (should they opt to do so). It would basically be just like the lottery except every cent would go to the revenue. The administration of it may even create jobs. It might be seen as a tax but its at least a democratic one if people can choose whether they would participate or not.

So do the workers actually get a win out of this, if so how much and what's the difference between this Lotto and the other Lotto where the money also goes into govt. coffers.

So how could I create a new party and would I get much support?

Set up a blog, get 300 people of the same idealism and register the party with the Oireachtas. PM Biggins while your at it.

El Weirdo

lightspeed wrote: »

Eliminate the housing benefit for single mothers as of now. I know of people who have houses and are renting them out whilst living with their girlfriends house paid mostly by the state. This abuse is widespread and an insult to every working citizen who continues to struggle and pay their mortgage on time.

I'll just take this one for now.

So, you are going to cut a vitally important payment for thousands of families in genuine need because you "know of" a couple of people that are abusing the system?

I presume you have figures to back up this claim of "widespread" abuse, and aren't just relying on your own anecdotal evidence.

What utter bollocks. Therefore you should do extremely well amongst unquestioning morons, who appear to make up a rather large chunk of the electorate.

breffni666

No point. You will end up swallowed up by the system. Look at the PDs. They started out well but ended up as an appendage to FF and the gravy train that went with it and even though they are gone you will find Mary Harneys et al pensions have not and we still pay for the next 30 years. Labour DL are now in the same boat, once these people get into power two things get bigger- their bellies and their pension! Look at Labour UK- they turned into Maggie Thatcher!!! Our political system and our politicians are by their nature corrupt, they will never give up the gravy train. Unless we use force of arms its unlikely to change and Im afraid even if we did I think we'd end up back where we started. The best situation is for a Federal Europe to tell us what to do as we have shown over and over and over again our inability to do so. What loss would we be at, at least it would be change and since our Government seem to defer to the troike anyway when hard decisions have to be made.

dhmusic

I would vote for the partition of Dublin from the rest of Ireland and I'm sure many country folk would agree with me, maybe not for the same reasons.

lightspeed

First i suggested the idea of an employment lottery scheme as i believe its more likely that people will sign up and have the money taken out or their pay than stop each week to purchase a ticket. You could still have both and chances are most people who reguarly purchase a lotto ticket each week would still continue to do so. Just like we still have the Irish lotto and the euromillions. The difference being that all money generated would go to the running of the country. Im not saying its a golden goose idea, just a proposal that could be looked into.

I reject this idea that we should provide single mothers with almost free houses. Not all other European countries provide such inefficient generosity and they do not have large numbers of homeless single parents on the street. Lets just clarify this scheme where single mothers are given rent allowance to live in fully furnished accomadation and are given the housing benifit package towards bills plus childrens allowance, plus (if im not mistaken) money towards school uniforms. Lets look at this for a moment. As far as im aware, under the current rules, if you are living with another partner, you should not receive the rent allowance or even the housing benifits package.

So the current government position gambles that either
A) the single mother will always forever be single
or when they find a partner, they will then get mortage on a house of their own or they will alert the nice people and the welfare office so they can receive a cut in their welfare.

By this logic,we can also just assume that if most people on dole are able to obtain cash in hand jobs, they will also alert the nice people at the welfare office. The reality is quite the opposite

The logical reality is option C which is that they wont tell the welfare office that they are now living with a partner as they dont want any change to the welfare or free accomadation the states provides.

It is not justice that some people have to work and pay a mortgage when others can just have children they cant afford and get a free house from the government. That system is no less corrupt than some property developer bribing a politician. its just a corrupt inefficient and unjust system that serves a different demographic. Im sick to death of demographic politics and i just want politicians to do what is best for the country as a whole.

I had heard that the likes of Pat Kenny where paid more than Us Tv presenters like Jay Leno. I admit i was incorrect about him being paid anywhere near Jay Leno Salary. However, its outrageously corrupt that he is still on over €700,000 when the struggling working class who are unable to benifit from the corrupt welfare system and have to pay for €160 per year to fund his and others like him his huge salary to and talk bollax for a few hours a week.

I think the issue of public sector does indeed need to be addressed but that is politically difficult to do at the moment whilst politicians remain on such high salaries and pensions.

As regards to my idea of increasing income tax on the mega rich, if the mega rich in this country are already paying too much or just about enough then how come they are getting richer while the middle calls are getting poorer? Why has the divide grown so much?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/group-highlights-widening-gap-between-rich-and-poor-559233.html

ArmaniJeanss

lightspeed wrote: »

Reduce the salaries of RTE and reduce Tv license fee. I know of few countries in the world that charge for a TV license and I don't see why Pat Kenny and Ryan Tubridy should be paid more than Jay Leno or the biggest stars in US television.

TV license worldwide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence

Seriously, do even the most basic research, because at the moment, bad as they are FG,FF and Labour are about 10 times more competent than you.

El Weirdo

lightspeed wrote: »

... However, its outrageously corrupt that he is still on over €700,000 when the struggling working class who are unable to benifit from the corrupt welfare system have to pay for €160 per year to fund his and others like him his huge salary to and talk bollax for a few hours a week...

Except that they don't have to pay it.

Is this some sort of school project you're doing?

mikemac1

lightspeed wrote: »

Id also like to force that banks to lend more money to credible investments to reignite the economy and the property market. Obviously with actual strict measures in place and not a return of the past.

Interfering in the property market again despite your second line

Fianna Fáil is the name of your new party OP



Your facts on Jay Leno were waaaaaaay out by over 10 million, I see you've corrected that

lightspeed wrote: »

I will pay off the deficit quicker than the present government by cutting money from people who don't deserve or need it and not by cutting it from the disabled

The junkies and wasters you see on buses and the Luas and trains are on disability. They are not unemployed, they get shifted to disability.

Like the lad who was arrested for stabbing in the Phoenix Park

No cuts for them?

hatrickpatrick

I would vote for any party which promised to stamp out corruption and end the bailouts for buddies culture of the current financial system, but no one seems to have the balls to do it.

Sorcha16

lightspeed wrote: »

I will pay off the deficit quicker than the present government by cutting money from people who don't deserve or need it.Id also like to force that banks to lend more money to credible investments to reignite the economy and the property market. This country cannot put itself on the right track until we eliminate the corrupt inefficient programmes in place

I liked you better when you were in The Corrs

bbam

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I would vote for any party which promised to stamp out corruption and end the bailouts for buddies culture of the current financial system, but no one seems to have the balls to do it.

This it the problem. They all think they will, but then when they are in power they are just like pigs at a trough of slops, no stopping until its all gone!

I still think OP should go for it. It couldn't do any harm to have another option on the ballot papers. Now would be a food time to start. The main players have disillusioned many of their stallworth voters, many of which would rather not give SF their vote, including myself.

Myrddin

If a new party emerged & was populated by the same type of chancers we have today, then no. If it were populated by people who live in the real world, & entered into politics to make a positive difference, then yes, I'd certainly listen

El Tarangu

Sorcha16 wrote: »

I liked you better when you were in The Corrs

Lol

nacimroc

lightspeed wrote: »

I think the issue of public sector does indeed need to be addressed but that is politically difficult to do at the moment whilst politicians remain on such high salaries and pensions.

You'll blend right in! No reform or solution to the biggest financial burden, but you will try to save maybe 1 million a year on politicians salaries? Their salaries are absolute pittance when looking at the big picture. Do it though, put all the politicians on the minimum wage and see how long it takes to get a bunch of bribe taking, corrupt sellouts! There is a reason they have to be paid well. We are losing billions now in oil taxes because of what happened when we put people like Ray Burke on 'reasonable salaries'. You want to cut off your nose to spite your face!

Myrddin

nacimroc wrote: »

Do it though, put all the politicians on the minimum wage and see how long it takes to get a bunch of bribe taking, corrupt sellouts! There is a reason they have to be paid well

Yeah, because a high salary stops corruption doesn't it :rolleyes: Maybe they could save money by using Paddy the plasterer, or winning on the horses

nacimroc

EnterNow wrote: »

Yeah, because a high salary stops corruption doesn't it :rolleyes: Maybe they could save money by using Paddy the plasterer, or winning on the horses

Exactly! He was on the same wage during the bribe taking time. Thats my point! When he was pulling in 250k a year, there were no accusations. I'm not for handing them a fortune, and I agree with hacking their salaries a bit, but when talking about fixing the economy, politicians salaries aren't the answerl

AnonoBoy

I already vote.

lightspeed

whats wrong with minimum jail terms of 8 to 10 years for corrupt politicians. I despise this idea that are politicians are naturally so corrupt we need to pay them far above what they deserve and ask them nicely not to be corrupt. Unacceptable, prison is the answer in that case.White collar crime should be seen as just serious a crime as rape or murder. Im aware that that may mean a further burden and cost to the prison service but not an acceptable reason not to jail corrupt politicians. As we have seen in the past, corrupt politicians will exist irregardless of whether we pay them a fair wage or 3 to for times the average industrial wage or more so their is no reason for politicians to be paid the money they are on now other than corruption.

lightspeed

Sorcha16 wrote: »

I liked you better when you were in The Corrs

I have no idea what that means, was there someone in the Coors with similar viewpoints?

jimmycrackcorm

What we actually need is a benevolent dictator or Michael O'Leary which is the same.

tayto lover

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I would vote for any party which promised to stamp out corruption and end the bailouts for buddies culture of the current financial system, but no one seems to have the balls to do it.

I voted for F.G. last time for exactly that reason and look at what we got. Cnuts.

wendell borton

"people had been led to believe that they could simply vote for whatever they wanted... and get it, without toil, without sweat, without tears."
Robert A. Heinlein

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Celly Smunt

lightspeed wrote: »

I have no idea what that means, was there someone in the Coors with similar viewpoints?

yeah,the one with balls.

Monty Burnz

lightspeed wrote: »

Id like to form a party that forces the banks to comply and actually lend money to people.

It's good that you have given this serious thought, but this is a crazy notion. Force which banks? Force them to lend to whom? Lend what money?

The state getting involved this heavily in banking is a recipe for complete disaster.

Corkbah

I will first of all point out that I havent read the whole thread ... I (like most people in Ireland) am lazy !

next ... as regards a new political group - in theory great , but in practice and reality - a new political party would need huge financial backing, and would have to redraft the constitution and undo the many changes which have happened over the past 50+ years.

yes - the current political system is a shambles and will be for many years to come, in my opinion the ONLY way to change this would be economic failure and default

DrumSteve

dhmusic wrote: »

I would vote for the partition of Dublin from the rest of Ireland and I'm sure many country folk would agree with me, maybe not for the same reasons.

Lol.

unimpressed

nacimroc wrote: »

You'll blend right in! No reform or solution to the biggest financial burden, but you will try to save maybe 1 million a year on politicians salaries? Their salaries are absolute pittance when looking at the big picture. Do it though, put all the politicians on the minimum wage and see how long it takes to get a bunch of bribe taking, corrupt sellouts! There is a reason they have to be paid well. We are losing billions now in oil taxes because of what happened when we put people like Ray Burke on 'reasonable salaries'. You want to cut off your nose to spite your face!

Wow you really have given up on the decent people of the world havent you. Its a bit (no very) sad to see this view you have of everyone else.

Personnally i think we should bring in some good non political managers and pay them very very well to fix what they can and rid us of our chains. QQQ how to pay for them SIMPLES take the extornionate pennsions and pay off the ones (politicians / top civil servants / advisors) who contributed to our demise through a combination of incompetance / negligence and strait up corruption and then up and legged it like cowards leaving us holding the bag of crap. :mad:
Another expense i would not mind paying is to make the lives of these same cowards as uncomfortable and misserable as possible (make their blood money bite them)

Fenian Army

This is what pisses me off about lots of people, they sit back and wait for others to do stuff. If you want change yo need to get up off of your arse and do it, not man about how someone else isn't doing it.

lightspeed

nacimroc wrote: »

You'll blend right in! No reform or solution to the biggest financial burden, but you will try to save maybe 1 million a year on politicians salaries? Their salaries are absolute pittance when looking at the big picture. Do it though, put all the politicians on the minimum wage and see how long it takes to get a bunch of bribe taking, corrupt sellouts! There is a reason they have to be paid well. We are losing billions now in oil taxes because of what happened when we put people like Ray Burke on 'reasonable salaries'. You want to cut off your nose to spite your face!

Where did i say I would not do anything to tackle the problems with public sector pay?

Im assuming that this is what you are referring to.
I dont confess to have all the answers, I just guarantee that decisions would have to be logical and justified and not just political. I would happily wear the crown of thorns and be more hated that Bertie or Cohen if it meant the corrupt system was reformed and justice truly existed.

I fail to see why there needs to be an extreme move up or down when it comes to politicians salaries. You seem to be of the opinion that they should be extremely well paid as they are now or on minimum wage. I disagree with both.
I don't think they should be o. minimum wage as this would create too much unrest and resignations. It just would not be efficient.

The average industrial worker now earns €41,807

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-politicians-benchmarked-their-pay-against-the-real-world-397807-Mar2012/
Id prefer to see Ministers at €90,000 a year and TDs at €55,000
Minimum jail terms between at least 8 to 10 years.
http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-politicians-benchmarked-their-pay-against-the-real-world-397807-Mar2012/


In your opinion, what needs to be done with public pay?

Dravokivich

The problem with voting if "a new political party emerged" is that all the policies of that party are just going to be reactionary to counter the policies of other political parties. There have been a few people trying to set up new parties ver the last few years but they've all fissled out because of 2 reasons:

1) No One heard of'em
2) Anyone that did saw'em for the steamblowers they were

What you are going on about OP, falls strongly into the second category.

lightspeed

Dravokivich wrote: »

The problem with voting if "a new political party emerged" is that all the policies of that party are just going to be reactionary to counter the policies of other political parties. There have been a few people trying to set up new parties ver the last few years but they've all fissled out because of 2 reasons:

1) No One heard of'em
2) Anyone that did saw'em for the steamblowers they were

What you are going on about OP, falls strongly into the second category.

So would you be of the opinion that welfare does not need reform?
That politicians salaries should not be drastically reduced?
That it is justified that the wealthier have got much wealthier while the middle class are much poorer?
Last year the ERSI released a report that said 44% of people on welfare, particuarrly those with children are financially better on welfare than in employment. They suspicially withdrew the report despite many saying the findings in the report were accurate.
In light of such findings, are you of the opinion that child welfare should not be could?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2011/0628/1224299677508.html

The highest pregancy rate in Europe and we have such high benifit payments for each and every child. Are you of the opinion that there is no link between the two?

Dravokivich

lightspeed wrote: »

So would you be of the opinion that welfare does not need reform?
That politicians salaries should not be drastically reduced?
That it is justified that the wealthier have got much wealthier while the middle class are much poorer?
Last year the ERSI released a report that said 44% of people on welfare, particuarrly those with children are financially better on welfare than in employment. They suspicially withdrew the report despite many saying the findings in the report were accurate.
In light of such findings, are you of the opinion that child welfare should not be could?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2011/0628/1224299677508.html

The highest pregancy rate in Europe and we have such high benifit payments for each and every child. Are you of the opinion that there is no link between the two?

You appear to have missed my point, but in doing so, just re-enforced it. All you are doing is pointing out a set of issues with current policies that stand out to you and throwing out an agrument to counter them with weak ideas around how to fix'em.

The state doesn't operate on it's problems and if your agenda is solely based on problems of the state, that's not something I and many others are interested in.

nacimroc

lightspeed wrote: »

Where did i say I would not do anything to tackle the problems with public sector pay?

lightspeed wrote: »

I think the issue of public sector does indeed need to be addressed but that is politically difficult to do at the moment whilst politicians remain on such high salaries and pensions.

Getting around to it in a few years when you have sorted the politicians salaries is too late.

lightspeed wrote: »

In your opinion, what needs to be done with public pay?

We, as a country, take in about 29 (ish) Billion and spend 45 (ish) billion. This on top of 50+ billion in bank debt. If you have to ask I will second guess my voting for you. The answer to your question is...anything. Just do something.

lightspeed

"In summary, fewer than 2 per cent of public servants earn above €100,000 per annum, fewer than 10 per cent earn above €70,000 per annum and 82.2 per cent earn below €60,000 per annum."

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2012/1004/1224324838051.html

I see on the news tonight that 8000 public servants are to be made redundant.
Whilst i would like to see a smaller government than what we have now, I would also like to see some reports as to how much of our overspending is being soaked up by the public sector?

I have no allegiance or dedication to any particular ideology and i dont pretend to have all the answers. So i would look at all proposals regardless of their popularity. If that meant a complete renegotiation of the Croke Park agreement and striking public servants, than so be it.
If a decision isnt logical or justifed it should not be taken regardless of the demographic affected.

juan.kerr

dhmusic wrote: »

I would vote for the partition of Dublin from the rest of Ireland and I'm sure many country folk would agree with me, maybe not for the same reasons.

Presumably the country folk are prepared to lose their jobs up in the big smoke.

lightspeed

Dravokivich wrote: »

You appear to have missed my point, but in doing so, just re-enforced it. All you are doing is pointing out a set of issues with current policies that stand out to you and throwing out an agrument to counter them with weak ideas around how to fix'em.

The state doesn't operate on it's problems and if your agenda is solely based on problems of the state, that's not something I and many others are interested in.

So you and many others are not interesting in dealing with problems faced by the state?
So you actually prefer a more incompetent government?
In that case, i imagine you are quite happy with the current government and you must have been gutted when Fianna Fail lost so many seats in the last election. Lucky for you the present government is just as incompetant as previous one.
I absolutely wish go change whatever policies and programmes need to be changed to fix the problems with the state. No argument there :eek:

Monty Burnz

juan.kerr wrote: »

Presumably the country folk are prepared to lose their jobs up in the big smoke.

In London? Or do you mean in the large town on the Irish East coast?

juan.kerr

Monty Burnz wrote: »

In London? Or do you mean in the large town on the Irish East coast?

Who mentioned Bray?

Plus they probably wouldn't be allowed into Copperfaces anymore.

Corkbah

Fenian Army wrote: »

This is what pisses me off about lots of people, they sit back and wait for others to do stuff. If you want change yo need to get up off of your arse and do it, not man about how someone else isn't doing it.

and how do you propose that one would "get up off your arse and do it" while working 6 days a week and commuting an hour each direction to and from work .... and working 10hrs a day (including travel).

I'm self employed and need to work mimimum 6 days a week to pay bills and try clear debts.

Monty Burnz

juan.kerr wrote: »

Who mentioned Bray?

Plus they probably wouldn't be allowed into Copperfaces anymore.

It would be for their own good!

But I'm always amused by Dubliners' notions about living in the big city, as if Dublin was the Irish equivalent of New York or London, instead of a backwater town like Milwaukee or Leeds as it really is.

I speak as someone who likes Dublin, but laughs at the delusions of its more insular inhabitants.

mhigh86

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

What we actually need is a benevolent dictator or Michael O'Leary which is the same.

Default and Dictator the way to go

We don't need more politicians.:eek:

Not so sure about the benevolent type, I'm more on the lines of a gigady-gigady Genghis Khan type.

i haven't thought this through but it sounds good.

Dravokivich

lightspeed wrote: »

So you and many others are not interesting in dealing with problems faced by the state?
So you actually prefer a more incompetent government?
In that case, i imagine you are quite happy with the current government and you must have been gutted when Fianna Fail lost so many seats in the last election. Lucky for you the present government is just as incompetant as previous one.
I absolutely wish go change whatever policies and programmes need to be changed to fix the problems with the state. No argument there :eek:

That is not what I've said.

In more clearer terms:

Your agenda is based solely on what you perceive to be problems. Nothing else. The problems of the state, do not relate entirely to the running of the state. "Culling public sector pay" and "re-structuring the welfare format" are only but a small part of the operational needs of the state. But it's your entire focus.

That should not be the basis of forming a political party/movement. It's reactionary and ill thought out.

Capt'n Midnight

By definition anyone who wants to be a politician should be banned from it.


The Nazi's were a new party.

Be careful what you wish for.