Horse fair: Dublin City Council to charge €30 a horse casual trading fee

MadsL

http://www.dublincity.ie/RecreationandCulture/CasualTradingLicence/Documents/Draft_Smithfield_Horse_Fair_Fee_Bye_Laws_Council_Sept_2012.pdf

DCC are proposing a €30 fee to "selling (agreeing to sell, offering to sell, displaying for sale and inviting an offer to buy) a horse or horses at the Smithfield Horse Fair"

This fee applies for each fair regardless if you sell the horse.

Sensible fee or attempt to kill the Horse Fair?

Casillas

Sounds like they're hoping the fair will be held elsewhere instead.

Out of sight, out of mind.

admiralofthefleet

Casillas wrote: »

Sounds like they're hoping the fair will be held elsewhere instead.

Out of sight, out of mind.

they're flogging a dead horse there

MadsL

This is hysterical....


The issuing of a Casual Trading Licence will require all current requirements to be fully submitted 7 Days prior to the Fair. The current requirements for a Casual trading Licence are as follows:
a. Completed application form
b. 2 passport photographs of the licence holder
c. Proof of identity – Passport/drivers licence
d. Copy of public liability insurance policy of at least €6.4 million with Dublin City Council indemnified on the policy
e. Valid tax clearance certificate
f. Appropriate fee


Also the proposed bylaws restrict the fair to March and September.

http://www.dublincity.ie/RecreationandCulture/CasualTradingLicence/Documents/Draft_Smithfield_Horse_Fair_Control_Bye_Laws_Council_Sept_2012.pdf

humbert

Tell us a bit about this fair. Is it upstanding citizens, rural types and such, or is it a load of knackers (in the traditional sense of the word)?

jimpump

the kn,im mean travellers wont like that

the groutch

in before "ah here leave it out"

i71jskz5xu42pb

humbert wrote: »

Tell us a bit about this fair. Is it upstanding citizens, rural types and such, or is it a load of knackers (in the traditional sense of the word)?

Upstanding citizens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPDc5fMSFZY

MadsL

http://www.dublincity.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/85956/start_time/4709000

You do not need a jackboot and an AK47

Boombastic

this could be used as an opportunity to tag them, the horses I mean obviously

kowloon

Tax clearance certificate? :pac:

Pottler

kowloon wrote: »

Tax clearance certificate? :pac:

Well that's the end of that so!:D More chance of them coming up with a signed copy of the magna Carta tbf.

Lapin

So you now have to pay €30 just to sell a horse. :eek:
Daft rule dreamt up bu some pen pusher in City Hall that won't work.

Not much use to the prick who sold a pony there last year for €8.

He's down €22 on the gig.

Not that there is any chance in hell of a scum bucket like him coughing up 30 snots to the council in the first place.

im invisible

I suppose its only fair they pony up the cash. With the economy not being as stable as it once was the council have had to rein in the spending,

mikemac1

I though this was getting shifted out of Smithfield and up to....

Actually I forget the name of the place.
It's the vacant land where there was an old mental hospital and DIT wanted to build a campus there

The Dubs will know it, I just forget

i71jskz5xu42pb

mikemac1 wrote: »

I though this was getting shifted out of Smithfield and up to....

Actually I forget the name of the place.
It's the vacant land where there was an old mental hospital and DIT wanted to build a campus there

The Dubs will know it, I just forget

Grangegorman

(I resent the implication that I might be a Dub)

corktina

get off your high-horses!

apache

About time something like this was brought in. I used to go to the fair when i was younger but haven't been in at least 10 years because its full of scum who treat their horses terribly.

Its unsafe in a built up area and too cruel. A lot of the horses are in bad shape and you can get kids buying one for a tenner! They sell other animals too - most again in bad shape.

This fair used to demonstrate a love of horses. Now it just demonstrates scumbags and knackers' cruelty and ill education.

The sooner its gone the better.

apache

Lapin wrote: »

So you now have to pay €30 just to sell a horse. :eek:
Daft rule dreamt up bu some pen pusher in City Hall that won't work.

Not much use to the prick who sold a pony there last year for €8.

He's down €22 on the gig.

Not that there is any chance in hell of a scum bucket like him coughing up 30 snots to the council in the first place.

Is that not the whole point? He won't be registered so will not be allowed to trade. That fair should have closed down a long time ago anyway. Dirtbags!

MadsL

apache wrote: »

Dirtbags!

Try not to hold in your feelings there, let it out. it's alright...let it all out.

apache

MadsL wrote: »

apache wrote: »

Dirtbags!

Try not to hold in your feelings there, let it out. it's alright...let it all out.

Just hate people who abuse animals and then turn around and say they love them. They use no saddle and drag the bit cutting into the horses mouth as they use that for balance. Yeah horse lovers allright. Should be illegal.

MadsL

apache wrote: »

Just hate people who abuse animals and then turn around and say they love them. They use no saddle and drag the bit cutting into the horses mouth as they use that for balance. Yeah horse lovers allright. Should be illegal.

So banning horse gatherings like this is the way to teach them a lesson eh? How would you know how things are now if you haven't been for 10 years?

apache

MadsL wrote: »

apache wrote: »

Just hate people who abuse animals and then turn around and say they love them. They use no saddle and drag the bit cutting into the horses mouth as they use that for balance. Yeah horse lovers allright. Should be illegal.

So banning horse gatherings like this is the way to teach them a lesson eh? How would you know how things are now if you haven't been for 10 years?

Yeah it is. If i have to work in the childrens court on the monday the knackbags just sleep over in the doorway with their horses from the sunday instead of going home.
I know a lot of these urban cowboys.
DCC shouldn't be promoting animal cruelty and criminal activity.

MadsL

apache wrote: »

DCC shouldn't be promoting animal cruelty and criminal activity.

They are not at the moment.

apache

They are and have been doing it a long time!

MadsL

apache wrote: »

They are and have been doing it a long time!

That's quite a statement. Care to back it up? In what ways are DCC promoting cruelty and criminal activity?

Rigol

Its ridiculous having horse-trading in the middle of the city. Get rid of it. Just move it to somewhere a bit further out. Blackrock maybe, or Dun Laoghaire.

Plenty of space in the country for horse sh.it, why do we need it in smithfield.

MadsL

Rigol wrote: »

Its ridiculous having horse-trading in the middle of the city. Get rid of it. Just move it to somewhere a bit further out. Blackrock maybe, or Dun Laoghaire.

Plenty of space in the country for horse sh.it, why do we need it in smithfield.

One argument runs, that it has always been there. Why is Blackrock or Dun Laoghaire more suitable? I lived in Smithfield for 7 years, it was generally grand.

How does it impact you?

i71jskz5xu42pb

Rigol wrote: »

Its ridiculous having horse-trading in the middle of the city. Get rid of it. Just move it to somewhere a bit further out. Blackrock maybe, or Dun Laoghaire.

You take that kind of thinking to its end you'll have the kind of anodyne, souless city centres that populate some of the continent and lots of the US. No thanks, I'll deal with a little horse **** in exchange for a bit of life/character.

Smithfield square is pretty much dead as it is, it needs livening up.

All that said it needs to be some way regulated, we could do without the animal abuse and dodgy element.

Mal-Adjusted

apache wrote: »

About time something like this was brought in. I used to go to the fair when i was younger but haven't been in at least 10 years because its full of scum who treat their horses terribly.

Its unsafe in a built up area and too cruel. A lot of the horses are in bad shape and you can get kids buying one for a tenner! They sell other animals too - most again in bad shape.

This fair used to demonstrate a love of horses. Now it just demonstrates scumbags and knackers' cruelty and ill education.

The sooner its gone the better.

You're well qualified to judge it so...

MaxSteele

Can't see the point in this fee.

That said, the fair is in serious need of cleaning up the element of knackers and scumbags.

rasper

Tax it out of existence , horses have no place living miserable existences in citys , horse trading does not belong in city centers
We have an appalling record in animal cruelty , at the very least let's lose this shameful display of abuse

MadsL

rasper wrote: »

Tax it out of existence , horses have no place living miserable existences in citys , horse trading does not belong in city centers
We have an appalling record in animal cruelty , at the very least let's lose this shameful display of abuse

You do realise that the tax is only tied to one place. The most this will do is push it around the city, like a horse illegal 'rave'.

As far as 'abuse' isn't that less likely with the cops and ISPCA watching?

Pottler

if you really look at it, it's often only money laundering in another form. Seeing as these Horses are as much use as the Parish Pump, trading in them and having an artificially high price level(I know some go for a tenner, but loads don't and it's the kids dealing in the tenner versions) - it's just a way of transferring cash in a black economy, for a fair while fancy pigeons were the way to go with birds making thousands each. Horses were always a method of storing and trading cash, apparently now cars are taking over(which is progress I suppose ) - "some" Car outlets are just a way of storing and trading cash under the radar. Stopping the trade will also sadly result in hundreds more abandoned horses roaming and starving, which is a sad consequence.

Rigol

Cade Stale Plank wrote: »

You take that kind of thinking to its end you'll have the kind of anodyne, souless city centres that populate some of the continent and lots of the US. No thanks, I'll deal with a little horse **** in exchange for a bit of life/character.

Smithfield square is pretty much dead as it is, it needs livening up.

All that said it needs to be some way regulated, we could do without the animal abuse and dodgy element.

Give me anodyne over the hum of shi.t circulating round my capital any day.

Give me anodyne over the visage of the louvre ...sorry Vatican city...no Buckingham palace...shi.t ..f.uck ...I mean over the sight of slackjawed skangers in poo stained gortex arguing a few euro over an unfortunate horse.

Our poo stained reputation for living in the times of Dickens aside, I propose an economic argument...for each pebble of horsesh.it that we have to pay for to be cleaned up there is a tourist going home and saying...filthy place horse shi.t in their streets don't go there.

Its not worth it, and there are soooo many places that could be just as well used.
Should we hold back the times for cultural remnants ...well sure, there are times when its right to. Smithfield horse market is not one of them...its an eyesore and an inconvenience of little benefit which could be better facilitated elsewhere.

Move it to foxrock or monsktown.

MadsL

Rigol wrote: »

Give me anodyne over the hum of shi.t circulating round my capital any day.

Give me anodyne over the visage of the louvre ...sorry Vatican city...no Buckingham palace...shi.t ..f.uck ...I mean over the sight of slackjawed skangers in poo stained gortex arguing a few euro over an unfortunate horse.

Our poo stained reputation for living in the times of Dickens aside, I propose an economic argument...for each pebble of horsesh.it that we have to pay for to be cleaned up there is a tourist going home and saying...filthy place horse shi.t in their streets don't go there.

Its not worth it, and there are soooo many places that could be just as well used.
Should we hold back the times for cultural remnants ...well sure, there are times when its right to. Smithfield horse market is not one of them...its an eyesore and an inconvenience of little benefit which could be better facilitated elsewhere.

Move it to foxrock or monsktown.

Actually most tourists are astonished and charmed by it. Horses shit, you don't see tourists in London complaining about it after watching the Changing of the Guard.

Half the time the crap was cleaned up by the time I was out of bed on a Sunday.

Rigol

MadsL wrote: »

Actually most tourists are astonished and charmed by it. Horses shit, you don't see tourists in London complaining about it after watching the Changing of the Guard.

Half the time the crap was cleaned up by the time I was out of bed on a Sunday.

hahahahahaha yeah. Im oh so charmed by this beautiful horse turd...astonishing.
Here take a picture of me beside it...make sure you get the brown mist too.

MadsL

You seem a little scatalogically obsessed. There are regularly more tourists than locals at the horse fair.

Rigol

MadsL wrote: »

You seem a little scatalogically obsessed. There are regularly more tourists than locals at the horse fair.

Yep..and they're going home telling their friends about the bang of horse shi.t.

Can't you see why it would make you cringe.

byhookorbycrook

All horses must by law be chipped and have a passport. much easier scan the horse for a chip, seize those that don't. Horses win.Hundreds of horses bought here will probably have a hard hungry winter.Much more humane to destroy them.

MadsL

Rigol wrote: »

Yep..and they're going home telling their friends about the bang of horse shi.t.

Can't you see why it would make you cringe.

Wow. Horse shit really upsets you. How terrible you have to stay away from a tiny area of Dublin once a month, how are you coping?

byhookorbycrook

Horse **** is nothin, it's the galloping of terrified barely broken ponies over slippery cobbles, being lashed on all sides I object to.

breadandjam

This is just a way of taxing the horse fair out of existence. It has the potential to be a huge tourist attraction if run properly but obviously DCC are not interested in it. Over the years I've brought tourists from Finland , Germany, The USA and France there and they all thought it was amazing (in a good way) that such a fair was still happening in a European capital.

Nermal

breadandjam wrote: »

This is just a way of taxing the horse fair out of existence. It has the potential to be a huge tourist attraction if run properly but obviously DCC are not interested in it. Over the years I've brought tourists from Finland , Germany, The USA and France there and they all thought it was amazing (in a good way) that such a fair was still happening in a European capital.

The horse fair would only be a viable tourist attraction if you got rid of the knackers, in which case there'd no longer be a horse fair.

Even if DCC pass this, the guards won't enforce it, as they're afraid of knackers anyway.

MadsL

Nermal wrote: »

The horse fair would only be a viable tourist attraction if you got rid of the knackers, in which case there'd no longer be a horse fair.

Even if DCC pass this, the guards won't enforce it, as they're afraid of knackers anyway.

The gardai have been roadblocking Smithfield in recent times, checking that horses are chipped.

Any chance we could lay off with the "knacker" talk?

RaRaRasputin

That "fair" is one of the most disgusting things that are being tolerated because of some retarded minority's cultural background. This whole brilliant new idea of charging money won't make any difference at all, and everyone knows it...sad.

Rigol

MadsL wrote: »

Wow. Horse shit really upsets you. How terrible you have to stay away from a tiny area of Dublin once a month, how are you coping?

Well generally I'm not a big fan, how bout you?

Chinasea

These fairs are absolutely hideous. Our animal welfare shelters are totally overwhelmed with abandoned horses and other animals that many of the dealers and punters buy, sell and toss aside.

Many of the 'dealers' at Smithfields and the other fairs treat these poor animals as simply disposable. They are a disgrace and should be stopped immediately.

RaRaRasputin

Chinasea wrote: »

These fairs are absolutely hideous. Our animal welfare shelters are totally overwhelmed with abandoned horses and other animals that many of the dealers and punters buy, sell and toss aside.

Many of the 'dealers' at Smithfields and the other fairs treat these poor animals as simply disposable. They are a disgrace and should be stopped immediately.

Couldn't agree more.

MadsL

Rigol wrote: »

Well generally I'm not a big fan, how bout you?

I rarely give it much thought. Dog shit on the other hand.

RaRaRasputin wrote:

That "fair" is one of the most disgusting things that are being tolerated

What are the others? Just wondering what you would compare the fair to.

Rigol

i dont like either in the city centre.
maybe there should be fines for owners.