skybox question.

Amprodude

hi there,

looking for a bit of advice here as im a complete novice on this. Basically, I have a hdtv in one room with a sky+ box. In another room i have a new tv and basically i want to be able to watch all the sky channels on it in this room if possible. I dont want to run any more feeds down from the dish as it looks very messy and I have two for the skybox in the main living room already. Recording functionality wouldnt bother me in the other room with new tv if i was able to run an output wire from one sky box to another one that i was going to pick up on ebay. Is it possible to do this without a magic eye?

Thanks.

Capt'n Midnight

The sky box sends a signal to the dish to choose one of 4 settings.
( vertical / horizontal , lower frequency / higher frequency )

so the second box would only be able to see the channels on the setting chosen by the first box. So 1 in 4 chance the second box would be able so show the channel you wanted.


This is why you normally have one cable per receiver to the dish, have a look at adverts.ie you can pick up a quad lnb resonable if you look around.

(yes you can buy a pair of diplexer thingy - but cable is a lot cheaper and more reliable

http://www.cyberselect.co.uk/range/1293 stacker/destacker

It is critical that the single run of co-ax cable is of the highest quality (at least CT100 specification), and is one continuous length, without kinks or sharp bends.

)

Amprodude

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The sky box sends a signal to the dish to choose one of 4 settings.
( vertical / horizontal , lower frequency / higher frequency )

so the second box would only be able to see the channels on the setting chosen by the first box. So 1 in 4 chance the second box would be able so show the channel you wanted.


This is why you normally have one cable per receiver to the dish, have a look at adverts.ie you can pick up a quad lnb resonable if you look around.

(yes you can buy a pair of diplexer thingy - but cable is a lot cheaper and more reliable )

what is a diplexer?

Capt'n Midnight

Amprodude wrote: »

what is a diplexer?

look at the link

you'll still have a mess of cables from the dish to the stacker box

it will only save cables from the stacker box to the de-stacker box which is beside the first digibox


it's a lot of cash to replace the cable for the second box

it won't save you on install costs since someone will still have to go up the ladder - and you'll need someone who knows how the kit works



Or you could run one of the existing cables to the other box, BUT then neither would be able to record

Amprodude

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Amprodude wrote: »

what is a diplexer?

look at the link

you'll still have a mess of cables from the dish to the stacker box

it will only save cables from the stacker box to the de-stacker box which is beside the first digibox


it's a lot of cash to replace the cable for the second box

it won't save you on install costs since someone will still have to go up the ladder - and you'll need someone who knows how the kit works



Or you could run one of the existing cables to the other box, BUT then neither would be able to record

I need to be able to record in one room but dont need to be able to do it in two rooms. I heard one could get an adapter and link it from dish to roof aerial and bring satellite signal down through roof aerial cable but the thing is i would have to drill a hole to bring wire from the dish into meet the aerial which is located in the attic.




Another question, if one person is watching irish channels on one sky box, does the frequency be still interupted even if one is watching channels like dave or discovery? They wouldnt be using same frequency would they? Sorry about the questions.

Capt'n Midnight

Amprodude wrote: »

Another question, if one person is watching irish channels on one sky box, does the frequency be still interupted even if one is watching channels like dave or discovery? They wouldnt be using same frequency would they?

If you use a splitter
one of the outputs will carry power - it determins the band used
the other outputs are slaves from this

here is the list of frequencies
http://www.lyngsat.com/Eutelsat-28A-and-Astra-1N-2A-2B.html

the switchover point between high and low for a digibox is probably 11700

also H and V - it's one or the other


http://www.satcure.com/tech/splitters.htm

STS2 2-way splitter F-conn 2 DC pass*

*Note: we are no longer recommending this product for use with Sky+ Digiboxes because people really don't understand the following information. Please do NOT order it unless you really understand how the twin-tuner Sky+ Digibox works. We will no longer be sympathetic to those who complain "it doesn't work" or "there's no signal on output 2". Think about it logically: if one receiver input is putting out 13 volts (for vertical polarisation) and one is putting out 18v (for horizontal polarisation) then the 18 volts is going to win and the input expecting to see a vertically polarised channel will see nothing. This is normal. The system will work only when both inputs are looking at a channel with the same polarisation (vert or hor) and the same band (high or low).

Oh yeah they change frequencies from time to time too in case that wasn't fiddly enough.

Ronnie Raygun

Amprodude wrote: »

I have a hdtv in one room with a sky+ box. In another room i have a new tv and basically i want to be able to watch all the sky channels on it in this room if possible. I dont want to run any more feeds down from the dish as it looks very messy and I have two for the skybox in the main living room already. Recording functionality wouldnt bother me in the other room with new tv if i was able to run an output wire from one sky box to another one that i was going to pick up on ebay. Is it possible to do this without a magic eye?

Sky boxes don't have an IF-out. If you want any kind of independant channel selection in the other room, you'll need a separate feed from the dish.

A "magic eye" is just a remote sender that operates on the RF2 feed from a Sky box. RF2 is the only "output wire" possible with these boxes & is simply a UHF analogue version of the channel the box is tuned to, for distribution to other tvs.

riclad

I GOT an aei video sender 45 euro in argos, it allows you to send video audio ,to tv 2 ,and you can change channels,use hd plus,record,pause stop controls.
http://reviews.argos.co.uk/1493-en_gb/5347926/reviews.htm

its 2.4ghz, so if you have wifi broadband dont get this ,as it will get interference.
get a 5ghz sender instead.
it uses 2 power supplys,1 for sender, reciever,
i get 99.9 per cent per picture.
Only thing i dont like is, scart from reciever is abit short,
so if i knock off tv,
i,ll move reciever ,signal will get worse,eg picture quality
declines.
once you get a good picture,leave reciever where it is,
move it, from left to right ,a few inches ,
to tune in picture.

Follow the setup manual instructions exactly.
you could just run a coax cable from rf out, but that doesnt allow you to change channels.
A magic eye unit is only 15 euro.
A magic eye doesnt need a sky box in room 2, it just transmits signal, and allows you to change the channel.

try google setup magic eye sky tv.

Capt'n Midnight

riclad wrote: »

I GOT an aei video sender

it's a video sender.

room 2 only sees what on in room 1

it also allows a remote control in room 2 to change channels in room 1

riclad

So IN room 2, with video sender, you can control skybox,
setup recordings,change channels.
You could get sky multiroom, get another box in room 2, send feed 2 to room 2 box.
Sky multiroom requires phone line connected to sky reciever.
The last time i checked it was around 7 euro extra to recieve channels on reciever no2.
This would mean what you record on box 1,is shown on tv1.

zg3409

Sky multiroom is 15 Euro per month every month and requires cabling to dish

A Sky eye setup costs zero per month. It does not require a cable from the dish but it does need a cable from the main Sky box (RF2) to the room with the other TV. It's main limitation is that you cannot watch a different channel than the main TV.

Is there any TV cables at all in the room? Where do these cables go?

The alternatve is wireless. Generally wireless is not recommended and all professionals use cables for long term reliability. Sky generally run the cables on the outside walls of the house. I would not recommend wireless.

However if totally stuck make sure it's a 5Ghz wireless system . The more expensive the better.

oldperson

I have an old SKY box which has one cable linked directly to the dish. There is also an output cable from the SKY box in that main room to a 2nd tv in another room and the tv in the other room can just watch the channel which is provided in the main room by the SKY box.

(There was a magic? eye which used to allow the controller for the 2nd tv to change channels but it does not work and now only the controller in the main room can change channel.)

I am having an update to SKY+ which will mean having 2 cables directly from the dish (which will need a new LNB or have to be replaced by a new dish). What I'm wondering is: will the one existing cable be enough from the new SKY+ box to allow the 2nd tv in a different room to continue to watch what is on SKY in the main room?

zg3409

Yes, but you should get your Sky eye fixed. Ask the installer if he will look at if for a few extra quid.

riclad

Yes, tv in room 2 should still work, magic eye requires rf2 on sending box,to have rf2 port on,
google setup sky reciever magic eye.
ANY good installer could fit an extra lnb in order
to setup sky plus.
its possible to even have 3 or 4 lnbs on 1 dish,
http://www.tvtrade.ie/multi-lnb-holder-4-way.html

then get 2 cables run for sky box , use cable 3 for sky box in room 2.
IF you wish to pay for a 3rd cable, and a 3rd lnb unit.
if you ask nicely ,the installer would likely fix the magic eye,
its likely rf2 off, or a loose coax connector on either end, tv or sky box.