These double jobbers.

cloptrop

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

cloptrop

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

Yeah, it's a stupid idea

DirtyBollox

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

But what if the 1 full time job you have doesnt make ends meet?

What then?

weisses

I thought the dole was considered a full time job as well ....for some

Leejo

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

So, someone will have the option is to leave their job or leave their wife?

What an incredibly stupid idea.

Neewbie_noob

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

Large popcorn and a coke pretty please - un-buttered and salted.

cloptrop

DirtyBollox wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

But what if the 1 full time job you have doesnt make ends meet?

What then?

You can survive on one job if someone can survive on no job.

Neewbie_noob

cloptrop wrote: »

You can survive on one job if someone can survive on no job.

Not necessarily, some people who are working a minimum wage job have to pay some sort of taxes / universal social charges etc, possibly soon to be water charges and household charges mortgages childminding fees and to run a car.

Some of the people on the scratcher however have free money, a lot of the time, free accomodation, free bus pass and will usually be exempt from the household fee and water charge.

Even though the dole pays less than a minimum wage job, they usually end up better off than people who work a minimum wage job.

I'm not sure if this post is genuine or a troll, but I can see some bans and infractions coming this way :P

cloptrop

Leejo wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

So, someone will have the option is to leave their job or leave their wife?

What an incredibly stupid idea.

Maybe if you feel you love your job more than your wife you got the wrong woman.

Neewbie_noob

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

Apologies for originally attacking your post there. I can actually see some sense in it now. It's Monday morning, so forgive me :P

I see what you're saying, there are a limited number of jobs in Ireland and one, if reasonably paid, is enough for a couple to survive on, if one couple is taking up two jobs, then inevitabely there will be some people without one who could be filling it, furtehrmore if either the husband or wife (who ever is paid less) stays at home, then the kids will have a proper upbringing Great idea actually

Dravokivich

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

Believe it or not, it used to be like that up until the late 90's for the most part.

Back in a time when a family could pay their way on the one salary. Not really possible for a lot of people these days.

cloptrop

Neewbie_noob wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

You can survive on one job if someone can survive on no job.

Not necessarily, some people who are working a minimum wage job have to pay some sort of taxes / universal social charges etc, possibly soon to be water charges and household charges mortgages childminding fees and to run a car.

Some of the people on the scratcher however have free money, a lot of the time, free accomodation, free bus pass and will usually be exempt from the household fee and water charge.

Even though the dole pays less than a minimum wage job, they usually end up better off than people who work a minimum wage job.

I'm not sure if this post is genuine or a troll, but I can see some bans and infractions coming this way :P

Think of the savings in tax having every body off the scratcher. Wouldnt need as many taxes . One job to a couple is the best way to distribute jobs .

andrew241983

stupid thread

K-9

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

The most humane thing?

Think I see where this is going.

Duggy747

Punish people for working more than 1 job?

Thread sense make none, hurt head................Hulk angry................grrrrr.......

Wossack

what if I have two wives?

cloptrop

Duggy747 wrote: »

Punish people for working more than 1 job?

Thread sense make none, hurt head................Hulk angry................grrrrr.......

No not punish . The kids dont have to be raised by someone whos only attachment to them is a couple hundred a week . You dont lose huge tax money to the dole . Your house is clean and your clothes are washed and your dinners on the table when you get in.

juan.kerr

cloptrop wrote: »

You can survive on one job if someone can survive on no job.

Why should any of us have to work?

westendgirlie

Seriously, do you really think that people working a second job want to be doing it?

I'm seriously considering bar work, cleaning, anything! Just to make ends meet

FatherLen

i saw a taxi with a 'no to double jobbers' bumper sticker and could only think to myself,

what an idiot.

minidazzler

cloptrop wrote: »

No not punish . The kids dont have to be raised by someone whos only attachment to them is a couple hundred a week . You dont lose huge tax money to the dole . Your house is clean and your clothes are washed and your dinners on the table when you get in.

You wouldn't get the dole if you were choosing to be without work so that another couple can have a job.

Your posts here are a load of clop trop...



nailed it

Markcheese

2 crap jobs =crap income
1 crap job = repossession
1 well pay job=disposable income (or mortgage payment ) perks, pension ect.

Well paid job is usually 10grand more than yr getting yourself....

cloptrop

minidazzler wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

No not punish . The kids dont have to be raised by someone whos only attachment to them is a couple hundred a week . You dont lose huge tax money to the dole . Your house is clean and your clothes are washed and your dinners on the table when you get in.

You wouldn't get the dole if you were choosing to be without work so that another couple can have a job.

Your posts here are a load of clop trop...



[COLOR="White"]nailed it[/COLOR]

Wtf you been drinkin dude ?
There is no need for dole in my economic model . The average wage drops but prices of staple goods will too . Luxery items may rise but for the sake of you not being able to afford the new iphone you get all these benefits.

How will halving the potential workforce make prices fall?

cloptrop

westendgirlie wrote: »

Seriously, do you really think that people working a second job want to be doing it?

I'm seriously considering bar work, cleaning, anything! Just to make ends meet

Can I ask where all your money is going ?
Ill tell you how these charges wont apply .

minidazzler

cloptrop wrote: »

Wtf you been drinkin dude ?
There is no need for dole in my economic model . The average wage drops but prices of staple goods will too . Luxery items may rise but for the sake of you not being able to afford the new iphone you get all these benefits.

You have no clue about the economy do you? Be honest now.

Markcheese

pg633 wrote: »

How will halving the potential workforce make prices fall?

I'd guess the OP's logic would be ,no dole=lower taxs , lower costs, lower prices
Sure we had low tax, and high wages... And we owe a fortune for"our"bank debt, national debt ... National pension gravy train.... So cant see his Plan working anytime soon...

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

How will halving the potential workforce make prices fall?

By forbidding all the qualified people to do any extra jobs and insisting that unqualified people who would have been previously unemployed, do work they're not suited for, all the quality of products and services will be crap, prices will fall, and everyone will be miserable.
There you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
How about a Kibbutz?
Work is shared and children are cared for communally.
Edit: I'll rent you a farm, some sheds, a tractor and a small house if you want to start.

cloptrop

Markcheese wrote: »

pg633 wrote: »

How will halving the potential workforce make prices fall?

I'd guess the OP's logic would be ,no dole=lower taxs , lower costs, lower prices
Sure we had low tax, and high wages... And we owe a fortune for"our"bank debt, national debt ... National pension gravy train.... So cant see his Plan working anytime soon...

Itd put most people on the same step . Blameing an international banking catastrophe a debt culture and a property pyriamid scheme on high wages and low taxes is absolutely ludicrous.

Wossack

Wossack wrote: »

what if I have two wives?

I have. And the three of us work. I have yet to feel any guilt in this or to be convinced that somehow we should shed one or two of our jobs so other people can have them.

cloptrop

minidazzler wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

Wtf you been drinkin dude ?


You have no clue about the economy do you? Be honest now.

I have studied economics as part of a business course . Im not an economist but Id be in the loop.

Syllabus

Think of the savings in tax having every body off the scratcher. Wouldnt need as many taxes . One job to a couple is the best way to distribute jobs .

So we have couple A - he is a leading brain surgeon she is leading the field in cancer research. One of these 2 should give up their job so that 'Anto' can have a job?!? Which job would 'Anto' be more suited to do you think, surgeon or researcher???

Remmy

While I do agree it is wrong to be looking down on people that are on the dole how on earth could you begrudge someone for having the fortitude to have two jobs to either have some extra disposable income or provide for their family? This type of work ethic should be lauded in Ireland not sneered at.

cloptrop

taxAHcruel wrote: »

Wossack wrote: »

what if I have two wives?

I have. And the three of us work. I have yet to feel any guilt in this or to be convinced that somehow we should shed one or two of our jobs so other people can have them.

You pay someone to mind the kids and you have 2 wives . Why did you have the kids for someone else to raise . Surely itd have been cheaper for you to just ask the childminder to have a few kids then you wouldnt have to pay her for raising them.

westendgirlie

cloptrop wrote: »

Can I ask where all your money is going ?
Ill tell you how these charges wont apply .

Mortgage
Life Insurance
House Insurance
Medical/Dental expenses
Car Tax/Insurance/Maintenance
Increasing price of petrol (costs more getting to work to earn a wage)
Increase in cost of heating oil
Electricity set to rise in coming months
Higher cost of school bus for daughter due to above fuel increases
Upcoming quadraupling (if i'm lucky) of household charge in next budget
Christmas :eek:

The items marked in red automatically impact on my disposable income and I have no say in the matter. I have to think about a 2nd job in order to balance things out again

cloptrop

Syllabus wrote: »

Think of the savings in tax having every body off the scratcher. Wouldnt need as many taxes . One job to a couple is the best way to distribute jobs .

So we have couple A - he is a leading brain surgeon she is leading the field in cancer research. One of these 2 should give up their job so that 'Anto' can have a job?!? Which job would 'Anto' be more suited to do you think, surgeon or researcher???

Of course an employer could hire someone in a specialist field if he could prove he couldnt find anyone with the qualifications to fill a position . There is doctors out of work too you know.

Princess Peach

Why does your logic assume that every single couple in the country is paying for full time childcare?

spoofilyj

cloptrop wrote: »

So say couple A have no work and are on the dole and couple B have two or more jobs between them and are complaining about taxes and people on the dole.
Surely the most humane thing is make it illegal to have more than 1 full time job . And maybe 1 per couple . Then nobody is on the dole and nobody getting raised in a creche .
Anybody have any views on this ?

Anyone willing to go out and get two jobs and then maintain them is welcome to it. Its hard enough working one 40 hour week, I take my had off to anyone willing and able to do two jobs.

You example is over simplified, Person A has to skills to do both jobs but person B may not have. Its never as simple as that because if it was then the problem would not crop up.

minidazzler

cloptrop wrote: »

Of course an employer could hire someone in a specialist field if he could prove he couldnt find anyone with the qualifications to fill a position . There is doctors out of work too you know.

Do you not see the problem with the bureaucracy that you are suggesting? Mandating that half the country is out of work. How is that an attractive place for foreign investors?

cloptrop

If you gave up the job restructured the mortgage and brought the kids to school yourself . Your car and petrol prices would fall . But all prices would be falling due to a redistribution of wealth.

Princess Peach

Princess Peach wrote: »

Why does your logic assume that every single couple in the country is paying for full time childcare?

Because I expect his obsession is actually with childcare, not double jobbers
We'll be getting "women should stay in the home not work" next. They're taking jobs away from those poor unemployed men, you know.

cloptrop

minidazzler wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

Of course an employer could hire someone in a specialist field if he could prove he couldnt find anyone with the qualifications to fill a position . There is doctors out of work too you know.

Do you not see the problem with the bureaucracy that you are suggesting? Mandating that half the country is out of work. How is that an attractive place for foreign investors?

Hmm good point . But would the country be out of work if they are a housewife . Just make it a profession.

minidazzler

cloptrop wrote: »

If you gave up the job restructured the mortgage and brought the kids to school yourself . Your car and petrol prices would fall . But all prices would be falling due to a redistribution of wealth.

A lot of people don't have or want kids. A lot of people WANT to work, Car and petrol prices are due to international reasons not homegrown.

What you are suggesting is the worst form of socialism. Where you waste talent "for the good of all"

Shryke

To add to the OP nobody is allowed to eat skittles after 7pm or genuflect in front of an ostrich.

westendgirlie

cloptrop wrote: »

If you gave up the job restructured the mortgage and brought the kids to school yourself . Your car and petrol prices would fall . But all prices would be falling due to a redistribution of wealth.

Can I have some of those drugs your taking, please?

minidazzler

cloptrop wrote: »

Hmm good point . But would the country be out of work if they are a housewife . Just make it a profession.

Calling something a profession doesn't make it one. And then you'd have the issue of house husbands. But I guess you think it should only be men working...

cloptrop wrote: »

I have studied economics as part of a business course . Im not an economist but Id be in the loop.

Studying it doesn't mean you actually understand it.

cloptrop

Princess Peach wrote: »

Why does your logic assume that every single couple in the country is paying for full time childcare?

Ah so there are double jobbers out there that dont even pay the people that raise their kids for them. This is skewing the division of wealth further.

minidazzler

cloptrop wrote: »

Ah so there are double jobbers out there that dont even pay the people that raise their kids for them. This is skewing the division of wealth further.

NOT EVERYONE HAS KIDS!

Princess Peach

I can't even

cloptrop

minidazzler wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

Hmm good point . But would the country be out of work if they are a housewife . Just make it a profession.

Calling something a profession doesn't make it one. And then you'd have the issue of house husbands. But I guess you think it should only be men working...

cloptrop wrote: »

I have studied economics as part of a business course . Im not an economist but Id be in the loop.

Studying it doesn't mean you actually understand it.

One job a couple regardless of gender . Id say the couple would decide who on the basis of earning potential.