Mini saorview receiver needed

almighty1

Hi,

I need to buy a couple of mini soarview approved receivers for wall mounted tvs. I was looking at this one from Harvey Normans.
Has anybody used this one or anything similar. Im just worried that since its going to sit behind the telly then how will it receive a remote control signal?

Sam Russell

The remote IR device is on a flying lead and stuck in a convenient spot (like on the front of the V or on the wall. It must be such that you can see it to control the box.

These boxes are unlikely to have MHEG5.

Cerco

Maybe stating the obvious but be sure the TVs have HDMI ports.

zg3409

There are also mini satellite receivers of a similar type if you want the UK channels.

emaherx

Sam Russell wrote: »

The remote IR device is on a flying lead and stuck in a convenient spot (like on the front of the V or on the wall. It must be such that you can see it to control the box.

These boxes are unlikely to have MHEG5.

Harvey Norman site says its Saorview approved so it must have MHEG5. (Assuming the site is correct)

STB

emaherx wrote: »

Harvey Norman site says its Saorview approved so it must have MHEG5. (Assuming the site is correct)

Well its not and Electroplus should have known damn better than to tell them what is and isnt approved. Infact the other I-can clone - the SV201 and the SV400 combo box arent approved either. Thats three 4life devices with "Saorview approved" logos listed on the Harvey Norman that infact are not approved whatsoever.

Using the words "compatible" and "approved with logo" are two very different things.

St Senan

Its probably at the stage where a shop can stick saorview approved on a Kettle or Iron and still get away with it. Here is a shop selling a saorview approved phillex FTA satellite system in Wexford. Before some people pop in with its a misprint this add has been doing the rounds on newspapers and flyers for the last 2 months.

St Senan

Someone should also tell Harvey Norman that there is no such thing as a Digital aerial. http://www.harveynorman.ie/tvs-headphones/saorview/saorview-aerial.

watty

Technically you can't say "Saorview Compatible" unless it's approved, or how can you prove it? Unless it has MHEG5 and potential of OTA updates, it's obviously NOT "Saorview compatible".

All you can say without contravention of copyright and Sale of Goods act is "Mostly Compatible with basic reception of Irish Digital Television". Putting "Saorview" AT ALL in advertising of non-approved equipment other that to say it's NOT compatible is misleading at best and illegal at worst.

For a wall mounted set without a compatible tuner the best solution is an extended HDMI cable and an approved box. The Set has to have a cable for mains and an extended HMDI, unlike SCART, is no fatter than an aerial cable. You can even cut a €2 short HDMI cable and get over 10m using two Cat5e screened (STP) cables with just cable splice and no extra hardware.
See http://www.techtir.ie/howto/hdmi-via-cat5-cable

the_syco

almighty1 wrote: »

€60? Holy crap! I got one of those on dx.com (get them all individually to get them past customs legally) from China for less than half that.

almighty1

the_syco wrote: »

€60? Holy crap! I got one of those on dx.com (get them all individually to get them past customs legally) from China for less than half that.

I've searched there but I'm only finding receivers that connect via scart not HDMI. If you had a second could you post which one you bought?

http://dx.com/c/consumer-electronics-199/tv-receivers-196

Ronnie Raygun

the_syco wrote: »

€60? Holy crap! I got one of those on dx.com (get them all individually to get them past customs legally) from China for less than half that.

Does it have a crappy PSU that radiates RF interference over a wide area?

watty

Does the Plug, PSU and wiring meet CE, UK/Ireland Safety standards relating to Fire Risk and shock?

P.S. You can type PSU etc details in and find no result on databases due to fake FCC, UL, VDE, CE, CSA etc certification.

There are fire and shock risks also using Europlug two pin PSUs in UK/Irish sockets by forcing the shutter open via pin. Anything plugging into a UK/Irish socket must be suitably fused and meet other safety requirements.

Peter Rhea

I've seen this type PSU on a few of these receivers. Claims CE approval etc.

watty

There is no legal way to to retail that adaptor in UK/Ireland. If you have one you can look up the details* and see is it actually really CE approved for "Europlug" areas. It's only legal to retail it in countries that use a "Europlug" even if it has real CE.

A Europlug on a cable can have an adaptor fitted by a Retailer. Earlier approved adaptors were removable and are still legal. They must take a regular fuse and the screw must lock Europlug and cover.

But any retailer selling now an item with a Europlug on the cable must use a "one way" screw on the adaptor so that it can't be unscrewed. The fuse is accessible via flap under plug.

There is no way to make a PSU with integral Europlug pins meet Irish/UK safety other than fitting it inside a tamper proof box with a cable and proper external fused UK/Irish plug.


[* Well my acquaintance that does CE testing of Electronic stuff in UK knows how /where to look up stuff]
Some PSUs have interchangeable "plug -pin" part. If the clip on part meets the spec then it can get CE approval for UK/Ireland.

There are many product aspects where a CE has to be qualified with /!\ indicating it's not universal in EU.

JRH

ebay 28 :rolleyes:

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/HDMI-HD-Mini-Terrestrial-Receiver-Tv-Tuner-Dvb-t-Freeview-Receiver-Box-dvb-t-869-/251161922792?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7a6acce8

search ebay for mini dvb-t hd

Some of the scart ones also have a HDMI port , just make sure its the HD version .

To use , just open the the earth on your socket with a screwdriver and stick it in , there is some give on the pins as they expect people to do this . Or sometimes they go in easy to a cheap 4 gang extension lead as the cheap mushy plastic and poor tolerances help with insertion :pac:

watty

You can be liable for such statement advising people to do things that can result in Electrocution or Fire.

Standards are not just for fun.

larchill

Saw the Ferguson Ariva T65mini today in a shop in Drogheda for €49.95. It works via the scart socket. It also has a HDMI socket. Would be useful for 'Saorviewising' a non Saorview TV! See link ...

http://www.ferguson-digital.eu/en/terrestrial-tv.html

This has a remote sender unit which connects via a length of cable to facilitate the remote control.

The Cush

larchill wrote: »

Saw the Ferguson Ariva T65mini today in a shop in Drogheda for €49.95. It works via the scart socket. It also has a HDMI socket. Would be useful for 'Saorviewising' a non Saorview TV! See link ...

http://www.ferguson-digital.eu/en/terrestrial-tv.html

This has a remote sender unit which connects via a length of cable to facilitate the remote control.

Slightly off topic but might be of interest to someone who requires a mini-FTA satellite receiver (via HDMI) for a wall mounted TV, bedroom TV etc

Ferguson Ariva 102 Mini HD Digital Satellite Receiver

Came across it in this month's What Satellite magazine. My brother plans to order one soon for a wall mounted kitchen TV and possibly replace a bedroom FTA satellite receiver to reduce clutter if the first one works as described.

larchill

Its amazing the stuff thats out there now! :cool:

hero25

looks like the correct hread to post this question....has anyone tried the 4ife sv201?

Peter Rhea

Rather than post your query on 2 separate threads, why didn't you start a new one relating to the receiver you're interested in?

emaherx

Tech4ife wrote: »

STB wrote: »

Well its not and Electroplus should have known damn better than to tell them what is and isnt approved. Infact the other I-can clone - the SV201 and the SV400 combo box arent approved either. Thats three 4life devices with "Saorview approved" logos listed on the Harvey Norman that infact are not approved whatsoever.

Using the words "compatible" and "approved with logo" are two very different things.

The device in question was not supplied to Harvey Normans by Electroplus. That was a 'damn' big assumption of yours, if you don't mind me saying.

Neither the SV400 nor the Sv201 are Saorview approved and there are no markings on the boxes or packaging to suggest so. I am not aware of any company claiming that they are approved.

If anybody wants advice on 4ife products please contact support@4ife.ie

Harvey norman were advertising this box with saorview approved logo on their website until last week. They have since fixed it to state non approved.

watty

Tech4ife wrote: »

Neither the SV400 nor the Sv201 are Saorview approved and there are no markings on the boxes or packaging to suggest so. I am not aware of any company claiming that they are approved.

Why pollute the market then without a GIANT warning sticker.

Yes, let people choose, but only when informed properly!

Product dumping?

STB

Tech4ife wrote: »

The device in question was not supplied to Harvey Normans by Electroplus. That was a 'damn' big assumption of yours, if you don't mind me saying.

I do mind. It wasn't a damn assumption whatsoever. Perhaps you might get your story straight among yourselves.

4ifesupport wrote: »

Electroplus distributes the brand that is 4ife.

Also

Your website wrote:

4ife® is an Irish brand developed and designed by the Electroplus Group

Source: http://www.4ife.ie/#about

Tech4ife wrote: »

Neither the SV400 nor the Sv201 are Saorview approved and there are no markings on the boxes or packaging to suggest so. I am not aware of any company claiming that they are approved.

If anybody wants advice on 4ife products please contact support@4ife.ie

Oh I know what products are Saorview approved and those that are not. I didn't just wander into this forum. I have been using unapproved boxes to watch Saorview since 2008. I don't sell them. I would offer my advice on them. My comments are purely of a consumer nature. I am all for new products, but their limitations should be listed and they shouldn't claim what they are not. I presume the retailers are being advised with what they are being supplied with. Example. These unapproved boxes do not offer MHEG5 text do they ?

Harvey Normans where selling 3 of the 4ife as Saorview Approved together with Saorview Approved logo on their website. Perhaps you missed the thread. It has the screen shots of the site showing your products listed under Saorview products with logos reserved for approved products only. I note that the website in question has finally corrected their mistakes.

But it was already brought to your attention in another thread where someone else was misled into thinking that the 4ife box they were sold by Curry's was Saorview approved.

And the confusion continues as long as we have miselading google results from Currys that list 4ife HD Irish Ready Set Top Box SV201 | Saorview Set Top Boxesthat link to one of your unapproved boxes Infact even your unapproved combo box is listed under Saorview boxes!



Need I go on ?

So what have the retailers been told ?

St Senan

Tech4ife wrote: »

If anybody wants advice on 4ife products please contact support@4ife.ie

4ife/electroplus why are they using the CAI and Digital tick logos on Aerial boxes.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81154531&postcount=29

Tony

I fully agree Watty

watty wrote: »

Yes, let people choose, but only when informed properly!

STB

Navarre wrote: »

4ife/electroplus why are they using the CAI and Digital tick logos on Aerial boxes.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81154531&postcount=29

Have they received permission to use the UK digital tick logo ? And what is its relevance to Ireland ?

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/retailers/tv_equipment/registered_equipment_search

Hotblack Desiato

Not only is it a 'digital aerial', it's also 'HD ready' :rolleyes:

Extinction

What is the deal with this company? A few weeks ago we had the user 4ife support spouting nonsense about digital aerials and then trying to defend the nonsense with ridiculous claims that were 100% inaccurate and now we have 4ife tech denying that Electroplus distributes their own brand to Harvey Norman even though (as STB pointed out) 4ife support says Electroplus distributes the 4ife brand.

Both users from 4ife have come on boards with an air of arrogance towards other users and I get the impression that they would also treat customers in the same way. I also get the impression that 4ife is a brand that can't be trusted. I have sent an email to both the CAI and Digital UK seeking clarification on the use of the Digital Tick and CAI logo by 4ife and will post their response if I get one.

Extinction

Tech4ife wrote: »

Almighty1 was talking about a product at the beginning of this string that you clearly indicate Electroplus supplied. Electroplus did not supply this product.
Electroplus do however supply goods with 4ife on them.

So 4ife is a brand that was devoloped by Electroplus and according to 4ife support on another thread Electroplus distributes the 4ife equipment but you say Electroplus didn't supply this one product? Do you think we are idiots on here?

St Senan

Tech4ife have you got a verified rep account to come onto these threads representing 4ife and linking to email addresses.
If so can you tell us all about the 4ife aerial with CAI and digital tick logo on it.

Extinction

Navarre wrote: »

Tech4ife have you got a verified rep account to come onto these threads representing 4ife and linking to email addresses.
If so can you tell us all about the 4ife aerial with CAI and digital tick logo on it.

Tell us about the aerial and logo usage whether you have a rep account or not, i notice the CAI logo doesn't have a standard number, what standard has it attained? You might want to get onto the CAI by the way, the aerial in question is not listed in the benchmarked products and 4ife aren't listed as members either.

Extinction

Could you also tell me how Electroplus,4ife,MYTV,Digital Direct,IC Realtime,Muniment LTD feel about Using HIS solutions to do their installs? The same HIS Group who are installers for Harvey Norman (who Eloctroplus didn't supply their own product to) Do the Electroplus Group of companies feel it is right to use a company who recently Liqudated in the Republic and now operate from Belfast and left Irish workers owed redundancy and Holiday pay? Quite a cosy little number ye all have with each other isn't it?

STB

Tech4ife wrote: »

To STB,
Almighty1 was talking about a product at the beginning of this string that you clearly indicate Electroplus supplied. Electroplus did not supply this product.
Electroplus do however supply goods with 4ife on them.

As I said if anyone has any queries send an email to support@4ife.ie

First off, I do hope that you are a genuine representative of 4ife.

Now regardless of whether I initially refered to "4life" or "4ife" is irrelevant, a public forum where public responses are posted is no place to play semantics. You know I was referring to your companies products, not that I have a blind bit of interest in upsetting your business in any way.

Just to clarify, I wasn't talking about one "4ife" product. I was talking about three of your products that were listed under "Saorview" on various websites, including Harvey Norman and was incorrectly claimed appropriate Saorview certification of said products. That was corrected on the Harvey Norman site. Have all retailers' websites being corrected and how did the confusion arise, one might ask ? These product are still listed under "Saorview" on DID and Currys website. Other certified product manufacturers might ask why this is the case.

Now I answered your questions as you quite clearly picked up on my "damn" disbelief, can you be so kind as to respond likewise. There is no need to continually drop your email address on this site.

Anyone who is a regular contributor on the fora would I hope point out that I am not against any DVB-T product especially the quite recent to the party uncertified products, once the shortcomings are listed.

Your contribution is welcome IMO.

Extinction

Here is the reply I have gotten from Digital UK, I note their intentions under UK law.

Dear XXXX,

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

‘The switchover certification mark (‘digital tick logo’) is the property of the UK Government (Dept for Culture Media and Sport) and signifies products or services that have been designed and tested to work through the UK switchover. Note the word UK, the mark cannot be attributed with products for the separate analogue switch off and introduction of Saorview in the Republic of Ireland.

Only manufacturers of roof aerials that have passed the Confederation of aerial industries (CAI) benchmark tests can register to use the switchover certification mark (‘digital tick logo’) for models designed to work through the UK switchover.

No portable set top aerial is eligible for registration .

We note the misuse of the ‘digital tick logo’ by 4ife on various counts and will be taking action subject to UK laws on the basis that:

1. They are not registered to use the mark

2. They have not provided CAI benchmark test report results

3. They are not covering UK services

4. They have misattributed the mark on portable aerials.


We also understand that they are infringing Saorview logo rights by referring to ‘Saorview ready’ and may not be approved manufacturers. We will be advising RTE /Saorview accordingly.’

I hope this answers your questions but please feel free to come back to me if you require any further information.

Kind Regards

Kristy

Kirsty Povey

St Senan

STB wrote: »

Have they received permission to use the UK digital tick logo ? And what is its relevance to Ireland ?

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/retailers/tv_equipment/registered_equipment_search

After reading that last post i would say NO, Also there is nothing listed for 4ife, any of its other names on the digitaluk list of approved equipment.

Extinction

Response from the CAI

Hi XXXX,

I am looking into this for you and awaiting feedback from who I think maybe the manufacturer.

I will get back to you when I have more information.