Airport Police strike?

Pappa Charlie

Can the Airport Police strike? I see that there is a threat of strike action by siptu in the 3 airports and reports today in the media suggest that this includes the Airport police and fire service. I thought that Police could not legally strike in this country? Anyone?

goldie fish

Well the airport police aren't really police.


More like security guards.......







(runs away from thread)

Potential-Monke

As per Goldie, they're not sworn members of An Garda Siochana, so i would imagine that they can strike.

kub

Oh my, they will be delighted with this thread, wait for the noise down along.
Airport Security Guards, who have the name Police after the Airport bit, are just glorified security guards...end of... I do not care what others may say. To me the only 'Police' we have in this Republic are called An Garda Siochana.
That makes these guys just that step up from the guys that collect the trolleys and the cleaners etc.
Just to prove my point, these people are going to hold this country to ransom next Monday.
You are correct regarding real Police officers and strikes, they cannot do so.

coolhandluke

At some point the DAA is going to be privatised, this will put the airport "police" on a very sticky wicket, because it is my understanding that there is some eu rule that states private police forces are not allowed to operate within the eu.

kub

coolhandluke wrote: »

At some point the DAA is going to be privatised, this will put the airport "police" on a very sticky wicket, because it is my understanding that there is some eu rule that states private police forces are not allowed to operate within the eu.

Excellent, the name 'Police' will be dropped then. I wonder what they will call themselves then, Airport Supermen/Women?

As far as I know these guys have as much power as your average security guard, they just have a bit more of 'The Walter Mitty Mentality'. They need the real Gardai to do the actual 'Police' work.

Anyway I am sure some members of the 'Airport Police Supporters Club' will be along soon to enlighten us all.

Zambia

kub wrote: »

Excellent, the name 'Police' will be dropped then. I wonder what they will call themselves then, Airport Supermen/Women?

As far as I know these guys have as much power as your average security guard, they just have a bit more of 'The Walter Mitty Mentality'. They need the real Gardai to do the actual 'Police' work.

Anyway I am sure some members of the 'Airport Police Supporters Club' will be along soon to enlighten us all.

Kub were you dumped by a Member of the Airport Police?

An Udaras

To answer your question can the Airport Police strike : Yes they can strike


But there are registered agreements with the Labour Court in place which require certain IR machinery to be gone through first before they can strike.

As they are not members of the Gardai they are not governed by their arrangements.

@coolhandluke "private police force's" exist all across Europe and a significiant example of which is the UK. In Belfast there is both the Harbour Police & Belfast International Airport Constabulary both funded by private companies and on the mainland UK there is numourous privately fundeded forces suchs Civil Nuclear Constabulary (They protect the power stations & fuel stores etc..) British Transport Police who are also a non Home Office force they police the UKs railways & other numourous Harbour,Port & Parks private police forces.

Even some prisons in the UK are now run by G4S or similar..

So I don't think there is any substance to your EU rumour I'm afraid to say. Just to confirm Private Police Forces isn't really accurate when you refer the Irish Airport Police as the DAA is a state owned company owned by the Irish Goverment with the Minister For Transport as the sole shareholder.

Now to be a adult about this..and not to be dragged into a endless circle of discussions. Every person is entitled to there opinion on what the members of the Airport Police Fire Service are be it Police Officers,Fire Fighters,Security Guards..Ticket Wardens what ever you decide.

coolhandluke

An Udaras wrote: »

To answer your question can the Airport Police strike : Yes they can strike


But there are registered agreements with the Labour Court in place which require certain IR machinery to be gone through first before they can strike.

As they are not members of the Gardai they are not governed by their arrangements.

@coolhandluke "private police force's" exist all across Europe and a significiant example of which is the UK. In Belfast there is both the Harbour Police & Belfast International Airport Constabulary both funded by private companies and on the mainland UK there is numourous privately fundeded forces suchs Civil Nuclear Constabulary (They protect the power stations & fuel stores etc..) British Transport Police who are also a non Home Office force they police the UKs railways & other numourous Harbour,Port & Parks private police forces.

Even some prisons in the UK are now run by G4S or similar..

So I don't think there is any substance to your EU rumour I'm afraid to say. Just to confirm Private Police Forces isn't really accurate when you refer the Irish Airport Police as the DAA is a state owned company owned by the Irish Goverment with the Minister For Transport as the sole shareholder.

Now to be a adult about this..and not to be dragged into a endless circle of discussions. Every person is entitled to there opinion on what the members of the Airport Police Fire Service are be it Police Officers,Fire Fighters,Security Guards..Ticket Wardens what ever you decide.

As i said the issue only arises if the DAA is no longer under the control of the minister for transport, the article i read was 2 or 3 years ago.

The Uk is a bad example as the uk seeks all kinds of derogation's from huge amounts of eu law, including the EU Working time directive which we have not with regard to law enforcement afaik.

CB19Kevo

kub wrote: »

Oh my, they will be delighted with this thread, wait for the noise down along.
Airport Security Guards, who have the name Police after the Airport bit, are just glorified security guards...end of... I do not care what others may say. To me the only 'Police' we have in this Republic are called An Garda Siochana.
That makes these guys just that step up from the guys that collect the trolleys and the cleaners etc.
Just to prove my point, these people are going to hold this country to ransom next Monday.
You are correct regarding real Police officers and strikes, they cannot do so.

Whatever you may think of the people employed in this role for DAA,
I don't think the comment you made is a true reflection of the service.
Is it not possible that some people who work in the job are doing so to pay bills and could not give two fecks about what they are called.
I am sure we are all aware of the general work carried out by AP and it would be safe to assume they are doing the best with what they are provided with.

Tango Alpha 51

Kub,

I'm surprised at your comments re the APS especially coming from someone as proactive on the forum as yourself. I deal with the APS on an almost daily basis & I find them far from being walter mitty types. Any time I bring in a patient from the airport, the lads will generally have commenced treatment. Any time, I've got hassle off a member of the public or staff member, they've stepped in & sorted out the problem.

As far as the orginal query, yes they can strike.

kub

Lads,
I am sorry if I have offended any APS staff on here, that was not at all my intention. I was just pouring petrol on a discussion which we have had on these threads before re APS having the same powers as AGS etc. Perhaps a ball hop which I took too far, apologies to all concerned.

Also I have no personal gripes with the APS, they never did anything to offend me.

wicklaman83

kub wrote: »

Lads,
I am sorry if I have offended any APS staff on here, that was not at all my intention. I was just pouring petrol on a discussion which we have had on these threads before re APS having the same powers as AGS etc. Perhaps a ball hop which I took too far, apologies to all concerned.

Also I have no personal gripes with the APS, they never did anything to offend me.

Lets call a spade a spade here. Your trollish behaviour was high lighted by an established member of the forum so you backed down.
If for instance i (a not so regular contributer)were to have replied to you on this you would have kept going digging yourself a bigger hole.

Elessar

Yes they can strike but only after going through agreed IR mechanisms including the LRC.

What irks me though is the the media reported that the search unit also cannot strike, which is not true. IIRC there are no such no strike stipulations in their contracts. Also I believe their name has changed to Passenger Services, or at least that's the plan.

Passenger Services in T2 have no such no strike clause.

Pappa Charlie

Its strange that the Governmnent didnt include them in the legislation that makes it illegal for Police in this country to strike. The Garda Siochana Act 2005 and the Garda Ombudsman should probally be to be correct the Irish Police Act 2005 and the Police ombudsman of Ireland covering both forces. A Garda reserve is covered by the 2005 act yet an Airport Police officer is not. I would have thought the full time officer would be covered if they cover a Garda reserve with limited powers and part time. How do members of the public formally complain about an Airport police officer and why dont the ombudsman also investigate them and save the taxpayer double expense. Are the Government not acknowledging the Airport police as a police force in the way they have excluded them from legislation dealing with Police in this country?

kub

wicklaman83 wrote: »

Lets call a spade a spade here. Your trollish behaviour was high lighted by an established member of the forum so you backed down.
If for instance i (a not so regular contributer)were to have replied to you on this you would have kept going digging yourself a bigger hole.

Call me a troll all you like, perhaps i fall within that categroy. I do not have the privilige of coming onto boards and staying here for hours on end.

As I have already done, I again apologise ie 'sorry', if I have offended your goodselve or anyone else by my previous comments.

Hopefully we can leave it at that