Clutch gone- 2011 golf tdi

Don17

My bro has just busted the clutch on his 2011 golf tdi
Garage said it's his driving as they haven't seen it happen before and it must be him.
Well it's his 4th golf and first clutch to go
Any opinions
Do golfs have dodgy clutches
He does about 100 motorway miles a day

Thanks

musings

If you ask me, I think VW are the new Fiat in terms of reliability

I can't think of any other brand that runs up such huge bills for repairs.
At least a Fiat was cheap to fix!

dgt

musings wrote: »

If you ask me, I think VW are the new Fiat in terms of reliability

I can't think of any other brand that runs up such huge bills for repairs.
At least a Fiat was cheap to fix!

About f*cking time Fiat lost that image. Thank you VW

OP, could it be a DMF...?

-Corkie-

If he did roast the cluth there is a good chance he has damaged the DMF too.

Bpmull

And people say vw are reliable ha. its only irish people that are obsessed with vw and the brand. as most other countries wouldn't touch them. Anyway your brother surly has a case a clutch should not go on a 2011 car specially when he's on motorways mainly. contact volkswagen ireland direct is probably the best thing to do. not the dealer as they won't be of that much help. at the end of the day its not your brothers fault vw have resorted to using sub standard dodgy parts and he shouldn't have to pay to replace them. how high is the milage on the car as there is a mileage limits on cars for warranty think its 100k km or 3 years but not sure for vw.

Don17

Thanks,

Garage said they had to take gearbox apart and would know tomorrow if he ruined it or it was a technical error

gollywog

Bpmull wrote: »

And people say vw are reliable ha. its only irish people that are obsessed with vw and the brand. as most other countries wouldn't touch them. Anyway your brother surly has a case a clutch should not go on a 2011 car specially when he's on motorways mainly. contact volkswagen ireland direct is probably the best thing to do. not the dealer as they won't be of that much help. at the end of the day its not your brothers fault vw have resorted to using sub standard dodgy parts and he shouldn't have to pay to replace them. how high is the milage on the car as there is a mileage limits on cars for warranty think its 100k km or 3 years but not sure for vw.

Hardly accurate now

Ded_Zebra

If they have any cop on in customer service they'll should replace it under warranty imo.

Damien360

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

If they have any cop on in customer service they'll should replace it under warranty imo.

Good point. Do VW check the part returned for warranty before giving the garage the warranty ? It would be good business for the garage to look after it's customer.

Bpmull

gollywog wrote: »

Hardly accurate now

All I'm saying is in most foreign countries there not hugely popular like here. they obviously have there fans and do sell a huge amount of cars in germany and the likes. but if you go to switzerland italy etc etc people who go for vag cars normally choose skoda. I have been in these countries and have a friend in switzerland has had volkswagen golfs polo etc all new. now has a yeti 1.6tdi and said he would never touch a a vw again just not reliable enough for his needs he is on the road 7 days a week he just prefers skodas for reliability and price when i was over there last summer his car was a little over 1 year old he bought it new and had 100k km on it. i asked him what he had done mechanically with it so far said he serviced it 3 times that was it. well over 200k on it now and going strong. just shows you when the 1.6 engines when used all the time they can be reliable. back to my point what I'm tring to say is in ireland out of the vag cars sold mainly vw cars are sold where as aboard its mainly skodas sold or at least the same proportion. by the way my comment above was soley volkswagen cars i didn't mean vag cars. i find it shocking that a 2011 golf would have clutch failure. we done the clutch and dmf in our octavia a few months ago its 2005 with 180k km on it and for me thats about right to do a clutch if the clutch went in our 2011 octavia went i would be very very surprised. all though it won't go as owning 2 skodas i can tell you they are reliable. we never spent a penny on them other than servicing.

George Dalton

Bpmull wrote: »

All I'm saying is in most foreign countries there not hugely popular like here. they obviously have there fans and do sell a huge amount of cars in germany and the likes. but if you go to switzerland italy etc etc people who go for vag cars normally choose skoda. I have been in these countries and have a friend in switzerland has had volkswagen golfs polo etc all new. now has a yeti 1.6tdi and said he would never touch a a vw again just not reliable enough for his needs he is on the road 7 days a week he just prefers skodas for reliability and price when i was over there last summer his car was a little over 1 year old he bought it new and had 100k km on it. i asked him what he had done mechanically with it so far said he serviced it 3 times that was it. well over 200k on it now and going strong. just shows you when the 1.6 engines when used all the time they can be reliable. back to my point what I'm tring to say is in ireland out of the vag cars sold mainly vw cars are sold where as aboard its mainly skodas sold or at least the same proportion. by the way my comment above was soley volkswagen cars i didn't mean vag cars. i find it shocking that a 2011 golf would have clutch failure. we done the clutch and dmf in our octavia a few months ago its 2005 with 180k km on it and for me thats about right to do a clutch if the clutch went in our 2011 octavia went i would be very very surprised. all though it won't go as owning 2 skodas i can tell you they are reliable. we never spent a penny on them other than servicing.

I cannot believe this nonsense. How is a VW any less reliable than the equivalent Skoda?

Dr.Rieux

I wouldn't imagine the reliability Skoda to VW would vary hugely

gollywog

Bpmull wrote: »

All I'm saying is in most foreign countries there not hugely popular like here. they obviously have there fans and do sell a huge amount of cars in germany and the likes. but if you go to switzerland italy etc etc people who go for vag cars normally choose skoda. I have been in these countries and have a friend in switzerland has had volkswagen golfs polo etc all new. now has a yeti 1.6tdi and said he would never touch a a vw again just not reliable enough for his needs he is on the road 7 days a week he just prefers skodas for reliability and price when i was over there last summer his car was a little over 1 year old he bought it new and had 100k km on it. i asked him what he had done mechanically with it so far said he serviced it 3 times that was it. well over 200k on it now and going strong. just shows you when the 1.6 engines when used all the time they can be reliable. back to my point what I'm tring to say is in ireland out of the vag cars sold mainly vw cars are sold where as aboard its mainly skodas sold or at least the same proportion. by the way my comment above was soley volkswagen cars i didn't mean vag cars. i find it shocking that a 2011 golf would have clutch failure. we done the clutch and dmf in our octavia a few months ago its 2005 with 180k km on it and for me thats about right to do a clutch if the clutch went in our 2011 octavia went i would be very very surprised. all though it won't go as owning 2 skodas i can tell you they are reliable. we never spent a penny on them other than servicing.

Thats fair enough man
I drive a vw at the minute but reason being they had a model that suited my needs more than any other make, I wouldnt call myself a fanboy or anything

mickdw

George Dalton wrote: »

I cannot believe this nonsense. How is a VW any less reliable than the equivalent Skoda?

Yes, its is a silly theory. They are broadly similar in terms of reliability except in the rare cases of a particular engine code or something that might be fitted to one make and not the other. That works against skoda as much as vw or audi though.

Guy:Incognito

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

If they have any cop on in customer service they'll should replace it under warranty imo.

I agree as long as it wasnt the owner that rode it to death.

Guy:Incognito

George Dalton wrote: »

I cannot believe this nonsense. How is a VW any less reliable than the equivalent Skoda?

Going by reliability surveys it appears they are Someoes doing something right/wrong in a factory somewhere.

Bpmull

George Dalton wrote: »

I cannot believe this nonsense. How is a VW any less reliable than the equivalent Skoda?

I never said they are less reliable. i have never owned a vw so i can't judge how reliable or not they are and i know plenty of people with older model passats 2001-2005 who would swear by them. but the newer models seem less reliable excluding dmf and dpf and maybe I'm completely wrong but can only go by what neighbours and relatives say who have vw. i think vw are simply not worth the extra money over equivalent brands thats my opinion I'm not saying skodas are perfect either but considering how much cheaper they are I think they are a good car. out of all the vag cars audi are my favorite but are in a different price bracket to audis to skodas.

Nissan doctor

Bpmull wrote: »

All I'm saying is in most foreign countries there not hugely popular like here. they obviously have there fans and do sell a huge amount of cars in germany and the likes. but if you go to switzerland italy etc etc people who go for vag cars normally choose skoda. I have been in these countries and have a friend in switzerland has had volkswagen golfs polo etc all new. now has a yeti 1.6tdi and said he would never touch a a vw again just not reliable enough for his needs he is on the road 7 days a week he just prefers skodas for reliability and price when i was over there last summer his car was a little over 1 year old he bought it new and had 100k km on it. i asked him what he had done mechanically with it so far said he serviced it 3 times that was it. well over 200k on it now and going strong. just shows you when the 1.6 engines when used all the time they can be reliable. back to my point what I'm tring to say is in ireland out of the vag cars sold mainly vw cars are sold where as aboard its mainly skodas sold or at least the same proportion. by the way my comment above was soley volkswagen cars i didn't mean vag cars. i find it shocking that a 2011 golf would have clutch failure. we done the clutch and dmf in our octavia a few months ago its 2005 with 180k km on it and for me thats about right to do a clutch if the clutch went in our 2011 octavia went i would be very very surprised. all though it won't go as owning 2 skodas i can tell you they are reliable. we never spent a penny on them other than servicing.

You know that Skoda's and VW's all use the same engines, and gear boxes, and almost all other mechanical parts, including clutches etc....right?

And the clutches are made by a third party(LUK) so there is literally no difference between the clutch in a VW and the clutch in the equivalent Skoda, or Seat, or Audi.

As for reliability surveys, they can very much be swayed by peoples perceptions of reliability. I.e, people would be more tolerant of a mechanical issue with their lower priced Skoda then with their supposedly bullet proof VW.

MuppetCheck

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Going by reliability surveys it appears they are Someoes doing something right/wrong in a factory somewhere.

They are usually customer satisfaction surveys. Which are bloody pointless wastes of resources when it could measures something meaningful like actual reliability.

Bpmull

mickdw wrote: »

Yes, its is a silly theory. They are broadly similar in terms of reliability except in the rare cases of a particular engine code or something that might be fitted to one make and not the other. That works against skoda as much as vw or audi though.

but what i am talking about is the likes of the electronic handbrake in the 2006 passat etc which caused trouble. they are similar in many ways. and the reliability of both is similar as in they both have there problems. but skoda being the budget brand surely shouldn't be as reliable as the more expensive vw brand.

mickdw

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Going by reliability surveys it appears they are Someoes doing something right/wrong in a factory somewhere.

Id take more notice of georges experience with both makes than a reliability survey. These surveys are imo skewed by the differing expectations of the buyers of various cars.

Guy:Incognito

mickdw wrote: »

Id take more notice of georges experience with both makes than a reliability survey. These surveys are imo skewed by the differing expectations of the buyers of various cars.

Is one of them not done on pure number of faults ? One of the uk ones I think. VW are mid table with Skoda a few places ahead and Audi down below VW.


Theres a distinct line between a reliability and a customer satisfaction survey alright though.

mickdw

Bpmull wrote: »

but what i am talking about is the likes of the electronic handbrake in the 2006 passat etc which caused trouble. they are similar in many ways. and the reliability of both is similar as in they both have there problems. but skoda being the budget brand surely shouldn't be as reliable as the more expensive vw brand.

But golf / jetta didnt get that feature either so now you are arguing against the passat only. Surely the latest superb also has the electronic handbrake now too?

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is one of them not done on pure number of faults ? One of the uk ones I think. VW are mid table with Skoda a few places ahead and Audi down below VW.

Probably but again, taking my own audi for example, I would have a fair number of faults to report, but I would make an educated guess that the buyer of a mk1 octavia (which was available new until recently I believe) would not consider any of my faults as an issue whatsoever.

George Dalton

Nissan doctor wrote: »

As for reliability surveys, they can very much be swayed by peoples perceptions of reliability. I.e, people would be more tolerant of a mechanical issue with their lower priced Skoda then with their supposedly bullet proof VW.

Exactly!

Also, Skoda dealers in general seem to be better at looking after their customers when it comes to issues both inside and outside warranty. This helps their ratings when it comes to these surveys, which are often actually customer satisfaction surveys rather than purely reliability surveys.

Nissan doctor

mickdw wrote: »

But golf / jetta didnt get that feature either so now you are arguing against the passat only. Surely the latest superb also has the electronic handbrake now too?

The Audi A6 suffers exactly the same electronic handbrake issues as the Passat, but there are much fewer A6's on the road then Passat's so it appears that's its just a passat problem.

Bpmull

if the vag group use the same parts to build there cars why are vw a lot more expensive than skoda?

sunnysoutheast

Nissan doctor wrote: »

The Audi A6 suffers exactly the same electronic handbrake issues as the Passat, but there are much fewer A6's on the road then Passat's so it appears that's its just a passat problem.

The new Golf and A3 both have electric handbrakes as standard I think?

A pointless and unreliable "innovation", but one we appear to be lumbered with on new VAG cars.

Supergurrier

Because of the badge

Bpmull

Supergurrier wrote: »

Because of the badge

its amazing how much extra people will pay for a badge as there is 1000's of euro in the difference.

Guy:Incognito

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

A pointless and unreliable "innovation", but one we appear to be lumbered with on new VAG cars.

The missus Scenic has it. I find it great. Knock the car off, handbrake engages. Start the car and pull off, handbrake disengages. Coupled with auto lights and wipers and its all good. If only t was an auto ............

sunnysoutheast

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The missus Scenic has it. I find it great. Knock the car off, handbrake engages. Start the car and pull off, handbrake disengages. Coupled with auto lights and wipers and its all good. If only t was an auto ............

I'm still waiting for the rubber car that drives itself home from the pub with me in it.

I'm not against technology, far from it, but it's far too common for these handbrakes to cause expensive issues as they are basically small electric motors exposed to road spray, salt, vibration, etc. and there is nothing the owner can do to avoid the seemingly-inevitable problems which occur as a result.

It's change for change's sake, rather than for any rational reason. At least make it an option.

Supergurrier

Dad's 2010 Avensis had a push button one and it was so annoying to use and felt so unnatural, his new one has the electronic one and it's decent tbh

Bigus

George Dalton wrote: »

I cannot believe this nonsense. How is a VW any less reliable than the equivalent Skoda?

By not having an electronic handbrake and electronic key skodas have a good start with reliability, over VW s

I reckon this is one of the reasons Dacias are sold out il July 13, simple key and handbrake compared to their Renault parents, in fact I'd go as far to say that a megane without the electronic key and handbrake would have great reliability.

colm_mcm

Bigus wrote: »

By not having an electronic handbrake and electronic key skodas have a good start with reliability, over VW s

I reckon this is one of the reasons Dacias are sold out il July 13, simple key and handbrake compared to their Renault parents, in fact I'd go as far to say that a megane without the electronic key and handbrake would have great reliability.

Could be to do with the €15 grand price tag rather than their choice of keys and handbrakes? That and the fact that they're only bringing in x amount of them

Nissan doctor

Bpmull wrote: »

if the vag group use the same parts to build there cars why are vw a lot more expensive than skoda?

Its all about image, VW is supposedly the benchmark 'peoples car', Skoda's are cheap VW's, Seats are Sporty VW's, Audi's are posh VW's. One company makes money from every sector of the buying public.

Even if someone wants, for example, a Golf sized car but doesn't like the look of a Golf, they can buy a Leon, or an Octavia or an A3, either way, again, the same company gets the profits from 4 mechanically identical cars.

Their design, development, manufacturing standards, parts suppliers etc etc are all exactly the same.

musings

I think that there is some truth in the Skoda's being better built theory.

People in the components business will tell you that the components in a Skoda are made to a higher spec than in the equivilant VW.
Also, aren't the engines in Skodas are generally older variants of the VW TDI's etc? Different outputs etc?

dgt

Why is this crap still going on? And did anyone actually answer the ops question?

OldmanMondeo

dgt wrote: »

Why is this crap still going on? And did anyone actually answer the ops question?

Cause it Boards and someone mentioned the VAG :rolleyes:. And no, no-one answered the question. Here is a lash at it.

OP, You will probably get told that the clutch is not covered as it is a wear and tear item. A clutch can be destroyed without even moving the car. However, there is some good news. Technical departments in LUK, Sachs and Valeo, all 3 provide clutch kits to VAG, can tell if the clutch has gone from driver abuse, poor fitting or just made by someone with a hangover. You will probably need to get a solicitor involved and it probably will cost a fair few quid. You will also need the old clutch kit back to be sent for independant inspection.

musings

musings wrote: »

..............
People in the components business will tell you that the components in a Skoda are made to a higher spec than in the equivilant VW..........

Will they?
Can't imagine that to be at all true to be honest, sounds like total and utter arse biscuits.

How many people in the components business (whatever the feck that is) have told you this?

And what components ?

Stheno

Don17 wrote: »

My bro has just busted the clutch on his 2011 golf tdi
Garage said it's his driving as they haven't seen it happen before and it must be him.
Well it's his 4th golf and first clutch to go
Any opinions
Do golfs have dodgy clutches
He does about 100 motorway miles a day

Thanks

If he bought the golf the first week of Jan 2011 and has had it since, then on the basis that he drives 100 miles a day for work, that's approx. 25k miles a year, or at this stage, approx. 43k miles in total since the car was bought.

That's not a very high mileage for the clutch to go imo. Were all his other golfs the same mark as his current golf?

It seems very quick for a clutch to fail.

Were his other golfs petrol or diesel? Hard to see how he'd have broken it through overuse if it's mainly motorway driving he's doing?

Higgsie

VW's not popular outside Ireland? Yeah right

OldmanMondeo

musings wrote: »

People in the components business will tell you that the components in a Skoda are made to a higher spec than in the equivilant VW.

No we won't because it is not true. All parts have an OE number, different number per parts car etc. I know for a fact, cause I do it everyday, that several OE numbers will give you 1 part number from Sachs or LUK, both main suppliers to VAG.

Nissan doctor

Strangely enough, just got an 09 Passat TSI in today with a failed clutch at 38k.

Oafley Jones

Two of the lads spent a summer building Passats in Germany back in 06. The quality of their work, and the other temps covering the full-timers, was really substandard. Still, one of them ending up buying a Passat after.

the culture of deference

Nissan doctor wrote: »

You know that Skoda's and VW's all use the same engines, and gear boxes, and almost all other mechanical parts, including clutches etc....right?

And the clutches are made by a third party(LUK) so there is literally no difference between the clutch in a VW and the clutch in the equivalent Skoda, or Seat, or Audi.

Why is there such a difference in servicing costs?

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Strangely enough, just got an 09 Passat TSI in today with a failed clutch at 38k.

Clutches are never covered by warranty. (unless man. defect)

George Dalton

the culture of deference wrote: »

Why is there such a difference in servicing costs?

Is there a difference? Not in our place there isn't.

Nissan doctor

the culture of deference wrote: »

Why is there such a difference in servicing costs?

If you go to the dealers there may be, for exactly the reasons I outlined above. Otherwise their is no difference.

the culture of deference wrote: »

Clutches are never covered by warranty. (unless man. defect)

I never said it was or should be covered. The car is out of VW's very confident 2 year waranty anyway.