Cattle Pouron

Surfn

when you lads put cattle in for the winter, how many weeks after wards would you leave it before you do them for lice, ticks, etc and what brand would yous use. cheers

49801

Surfn wrote: »

when you lads put cattle in for the winter, how many weeks after wards would you leave it before you do them for lice, ticks, etc and what brand would yous use. cheers

4wks

bbam

49801 wrote: »

4wks

Yep.

snowman707

treat usually about Xmas

only product we use is Young's SP POUR On

Black Smoke

Don't treat at all. Cattle none the worse for it.
Open shed, with plenty of air flow.

bbam

I suppose we need to clarify what OP was looking to cover for...

lice, tics, etc..

I'm presuming the "etc" is fluke and worm which is the priority from my perspective.. Cattle coming in off grass will have varying levels of paracite load.
By waiting four weeks after housing the theory is you are allowing the paracites to develop to a stage where they are easily eradicated, during the 4 weeks they won't be exposed to further infestation as they are off grass.. This should leave them with litle/no paracite burden for the housed period.


Black Smoke:
Are you saying that you don't treat for fluke & worm at housing?? I always think of this dose as the most effective and important.. Its more effective as reinfection rates are near zero, important as durnig the housed period if they have little paracite burden they have a fighting chance of weight gain..
I read an article recently that on average cattle were only gaining 0-.3kg / day when housed, with only the top performers getting 0.6-1kg/day.

If they had a heavy paracite burden I could easily see the 0.3 slipping to 0kg/day

Black Smoke

bbam wrote: »

I suppose we need to clarify what OP was looking to cover for...

lice, tics, etc..

I'm presuming the "etc" is fluke and worm which is the priority from my perspective.. Cattle coming in off grass will have varying levels of paracite load.
By waiting four weeks after housing the theory is you are allowing the paracites to develop to a stage where they are easily eradicated, during the 4 weeks they won't be exposed to further infestation as they are off grass.. This should leave them with litle/no paracite burden for the housed period.


Black Smoke:
Are you saying that you don't treat for fluke & worm at housing?? I always think of this dose as the most effective and important.. Its more effective as reinfection rates are near zero, important as durnig the housed period if they have little paracite burden they have a fighting chance of weight gain..
I read an article recently that on average cattle were only gaining 0-.3kg / day when housed, with only the top performers getting 0.6-1kg/day.

If they had a heavy paracite burden I could easily see the 0.3 slipping to 0kg/day

No, of course I treat for fluke and lung worm. Young cattle would have been treated prior to weaning and again a few weeks after weaning. Then 4 weeks after housing.

I just don't bother with specific lice and tick treatments.
I used to once upon a year, till one year, I had enough stuff left in a container to do only two pens of stock. I did those, and meant to get stuff to do the others, but never happened:rolleyes:
Bottom line, the animals I treated looked no better, and performed no better than those I did not treat.
Kept the money in my pocket thereafter;)
There's an awful lot of "stuff", in buckets, bottles, sachets, powders, licks that can be bought. Make farmer poorer, and smartass, overpaid managers of pharma, wealthy on bonuses:cool:

bbam

Black Smoke wrote: »

No, of course I treat for fluke and lung worm. Young cattle would have been treated prior to weaning and again a few weeks after weaning. Then 4 weeks after housing.

I just don't bother with specific lice and tick treatments.
I used to once upon a year, till one year, I had enough stuff left in a container to do only two pens of stock. I did those, and meant to get stuff to do the others, but never happened:rolleyes:
Bottom line, the animals I treated looked no better, and performed no better than those I did not treat.
Kept the money in my pocket thereafter;)
There's an awful lot of "stuff", in buckets, bottles, sachets, powders, licks that can be bought. Make farmer poorer, and smartass, overpaid managers of pharma, wealthy on bonuses:cool:

Same here..
Its just worth being clear :cool:

snowman707

Black Smoke wrote: »

Kept the money in my pocket thereafter;)
There's an awful lot of "stuff", in buckets, bottles, sachets, powders, licks that can be bought. Make farmer poorer, and smartass, overpaid managers of pharma, wealthy on bonuses:cool:

totally agree but we seem to have problem with mange if we don;t treat against it once a winter

maybe cos some of our sheds are old and dark,

ootbitb

The lice pour on comes out when I see them licking their coat and biting their tails but maybe this is a bit late.

Still have some tixol in an old tin which I thought was effective.

Surfn

yeh i was looking it for lice, does any of yous use Ectospec Pour On for lice