bucs blitz on a knee fair play or foul play?

i think while the clocks running you play ball i dont like the knee as a play i think it should be banned but i know that wont happen whats your call lads

kmart6

This still being talked about a week later?!

kmart6

kmart6 wrote: »

This still being talked about a week later?!

i didnt see it till today if ye feel the convos run its course il delete the thread just curious how people feel

CoachTO

The actual play a side in said game it is an interesting topic and many people don't like the idea of taking a knee at the end of the game and reckon the team ahead should just make a few plays.

Way I see it:

Its a tactical game. Just like say chess you make moves and every move you make dictates how the game goes. The opposing team also have their opportunities and moves to win the game. If your opponent fails to make the right moves and burns his timeouts too early and fails to stop you moving the ball to get that crucial 1st down with the minute left tough ****. They should have done more to stop you in the first place. They also have the same opportunity as you to do the exact same thing if they find themselves in the same position and you can guarantee they would do the same thing.

Oh and what the bucs did. Sore losers and Foul play. If the table was turned they would be moaning about the same douche move if they were trying to kneel out the game.

The bucs would have called foul play but why the games still on what if Eli had fumbled that it's a long shot but long shots have come through b4

Red Crow

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

The bucs would have called foul play but why the games still on what if Eli had fumbled that it's a long shot but long shots have come through b4

From what I understand it's an unwritten rule that you don't do that. It's a cheap shot.

Eli Manning

Eli Manning wrote: »

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

The bucs would have called foul play but why the games still on what if Eli had fumbled that it's a long shot but long shots have come through b4

From what I understand it's an unwritten rule that you don't do that. It's a cheap shot.

If its unwritten it's not a rule this is a multi billion dollar business why should a team just stop playing I don't feel it's bad sportsmanship because I don't understand why there's an unwritten rule day 1 y wud a team stop trying if there's even the tiniest chance they could get something

SantryRed

I think it's fair game. You play til the end. If there's a chance that snap will be fumbled like Rivers did last year, you go for it.

TaosHum

Best way of combating that, if it became common place in the NFL is knell from the shotgun.

I dont see anything wrong with it either. Why should the defense give the offense a free play and run down the clock, which it essentially is.

jester1980

Defo dont see it as a cheap shot, Schiano has run that play in college and it worked.

Go for it i say. Prob wont happen again as element of suprise is gone.

GO BUCSSS

CoachTO

The problem for me is that if the Buccs tried to take a knee and their opponent did the same thing the Buccs players would most likely give the same reaction even though they know their own defense does it also.

Also for me is that the Buccs had plenty of opportunities to win the game and failed. Putting all that effort in right at the death knowing it will piss people off and there is a slim chance of even getting the ball. Too little too late.

Now having said all that I do think the NFL should abolish the Kneel if they are never going to write it in the rules. There are plenty of other ways to waste the clock within the last minute while keeping the game competitive. One day someone is going to go gun ho and hurt someone because the offense have been set into a false sense of security by thinking no one is going to come hard due to the gentlemans agreement.

CoachTO

CoachTO wrote: »

Also for me is that the Buccs had plenty of opportunities to win the game and failed. Putting all that effort in right at the death knowing it will piss people off and there is a slim chance of even getting the ball. Too little too late.

i agree with the rest of it this not so much the game is still on should we discount the steelers last sb because they won on a last second throw, should we push aside both miracle in the medowlands

i know the bucs would have kicked up a fuss if it was the other way but i dont understand why from the day i started any sport i played i was told to play the whistle if the giants o-line decide to take a play off thats on them

JaMarcus Hustle

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

i agree with the rest of it this not so much the game is still on should we discount the steelers last sb because they won on a last second throw, should we push aside both miracle in the medowlands.

Stupid comparison. Steelers had the ball for a start.

JaMarcus Hustle

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Stupid comparison. Steelers had the ball for a start.

and if the giants had fumbled the bucs mite have had the ball

JaMarcus Hustle

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

and if the giants had fumbled the bucs mite have had the ball

You're comparing a situation where the Steelers had the ball and thus had the outcome of the game in their own hands, to a situation where the Giants were kneeling the ball and the Bucs had no control over it.

It's a stupid comparison.

JaMarcus Hustle

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

You're comparing a situation where the Steelers had the ball and thus had the outcome of the game in their own hands, to a situation where the Giants were kneeling the ball and the Bucs had no control over it.

It's a stupid comparison.

so they should have given up?

CoachTO

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

and if the giants had fumbled the bucs mite have had the ball

A What If situation cannot be compared to a situation where the team actually have full control of their own outcome.

Besides the likely hood of a fumble on a kneel is extremely low even if teams were allowed to rush them.

JaMarcus Hustle

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

so they should have given up?

With the Giants having the ball, about to kneel it with 5 seconds left?

Yes.

CoachTO

CoachTO wrote: »

A What If situation cannot be compared to a situation where the team actually have full control of their own outcome.

Besides the likely hood of a fumble on a kneel is extremely low even if teams were allowed to rush them.

fair enough i exaggerated the comparison but a punt/kick block is unlikely should teams stop rushing the punter

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

With the Giants having the ball, about to kneel it with 5 seconds left?

Yes.

ok well have to disagree on this one

JaMarcus Hustle

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

ok well have to disagree on this one

Let the record state we disagree fiercely!

JaMarcus Hustle

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Let the record state we disagree fiercely!

or we disagreed but you gave up cause there was 5 secs left

CoachTO

Macy Immense Pizzeria wrote: »

fair enough i exaggerated the comparison but a punt/kick block is unlikely should teams stop rushing the punter

A Kneel is a short snap into the hands of the QB where he will just drop to his knee killing the play. You are talking mere seconds. I bet you if the Rushes were approved all round there still would be a very very low % of kneels fumbled even compared to kicks and Punts.

Punts and Kicks have so many variables to go wrong and fumbles and mis kicks and blocks are much much higher than they would be for a kneel. Cant really compare the 3 in the same group.

As for the giving up thing. Whatever about the keep going with a minute left doing it with 5 seconds left begs the question what were you doing for the other 59minutes of the game. The Buccs showed more energy in that 5 seconds than they did in the last 5mins of the game. The phrase leaving it too late comes to mind.

Sure no one should give up but lets face it being petty on a gentleman's agreement with 5 seconds left and then moaning when a sh1t storm is created is silly especially when their offense would have probably moaned also and the game was over and you are now depending purely on luck.

CoachTO

CoachTO wrote: »

A Kneel is a short snap into the hands of the QB where he will just drop to his knee killing the play. You are talking mere seconds. I bet you if the Rushes were approved all round there still would be a very very low % of kneels fumbled even compared to kicks and Punts.

Punts and Kicks have so many variables to go wrong and fumbles and mis kicks and blocks are much much higher than they would be for a kneel. Cant really compare the 3 in the same group.

As for the giving up thing. Whatever about the keep going with a minute left doing it with 5 seconds left begs the question what were you doing for the other 59minutes of the game. The Buccs showed more energy in that 5 seconds than they did in the last 5mins of the game. The phrase leaving it too late comes to mind.

Sure no one should give up but lets face it being petty on a gentleman's agreement with 5 seconds left and then moaning when a sh1t storm is created is silly especially when their offense would have probably moaned also and the game was over and you are now depending purely on luck.

dont get me wrong for the record i agree the bucs would have gone ape**** if it happened them i agree with you 100% there and i know they should have played better for the rest of the 2nd half i think this game is mearly a good reason to bring up the question i dont like the idea of an offense going up to a d and saying were taking a knee take it easy on this play that would piss me off as a defensive player

jester1980

Did it 3 times again last night.

Cowboys were ready so no problem from anybody.